Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 29-01-2021 07:28AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

In Italy some of the police have taken off their helmet and joined protests against lockdown.

I have a feeling lockdown in Italy is also not working :pac:

I have a feeling that most of your postings are nonsense. That doesn't make it a fact.

Windmill100000 · 29-01-2021 07:41AM

Penfailed wrote: »

I have a feeling that most of your postings are nonsense. That doesn't make it a fact.

Some posters are scanning the news for any hint of insurrection and holding out hope it may happen here. If you need to do that then you know you are in the minority.

I'm pretty sure most people don't support protests while we are dealing with so many ICUs at capacity.

Gael23 · 29-01-2021 08:48AM

Is there any expectation that the mandatory quarantine at home will be enforced?

froog · 29-01-2021 08:52AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No Argus.

It’s a thread posters don’t hoover thanks in because they post in some populist nonsense every night.

My god. The lack of self awareness is truly staggering here.

pjohnson · 29-01-2021 08:58AM

froog wrote: »

My god. The lack of self awareness is truly staggering here.

They are very skilled at denying all reality at this point. Its impressive

29-01-2021 09:05AM

The attempts of some posters on here to desperately try to convince themselves that this is a minority view is pathetic but understandable.

You’ve spent far too long listening to government, watching the late late, watching RTÉ news and soaking up the Irish media in general. Probably looking at polls to make yourself feel more reassured.

I’m no Sinn Fein fan. But it’s clear as day they would’ve romped the last election had they ran more candidates. The amount of people who try to deny that is equally pathetic.

You have to be very insecure to come onto a thread and desperately try to make people feel like they are a minority.

29-01-2021 09:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The attempts of some posters on here to desperately try to convince themselves that this is a minority view is pathetic but understandable.

You’ve spent far too long listening to government, watching the late late, watching RTÉ news and soaking up the Irish media in general. Probably looking at polls to make yourself feel more reassured.

I’m no Sinn Fein fan. But it’s clear as day they would’ve romped the last election had they ran more candidates. The amount of people who try to deny that is equally pathetic.

You have to be very insecure to come onto a thread and desperately try to make people feel like they are a minority.

Sinn Fein advocate more not less restrictions.

Boggles · 29-01-2021 09:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m no Sinn Fein fan. But it’s clear as day they would’ve romped the last election had they ran more candidates. The amount of people who try to deny that is equally pathetic.

Mary Lou wants to crush the curve!

Boggles · 29-01-2021 09:17AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

People are making these exceptions for themselves left, right and centre, I honestly don’t know anyone who isn’t, to some degree.

As you have said previously, you aren't. So you know 1 person technically.

29-01-2021 09:19AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sinn Fein advocate more not less restrictions.

Did either of you bother to read the part were I said I’m no Sinn Fein fan?

Or did you see Sinn Fein and become triggered.

The election and the example was pre Covid anyways...

29-01-2021 09:22AM

Boggles wrote: »

As you have said previously, you aren't. So you know 1 person technically.

The truth behind the restrictions is the they are formulated with the expectation that 80% of people will comply 80% of the time. When they acknowledge yesterday for example that the restrictions are achieving faster reductions, it as a result of more compliance than expected

29-01-2021 09:30AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The truth behind the restrictions is the they are formulated with the expectation that 80% of people will comply 80% of the time. When they acknowledge yesterday for example that the restrictions are achieving faster reductions, it as a result of more compliance than expected

And when Tony acknowledged that compliance would drop and he expected cases to increase, that is also prove that prolonged lockdown doesn’t work

29-01-2021 09:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did either of you bother to read the part were I said I’m no Sinn Fein fan?

Or did you see Sinn Fein and become triggered.

The election and the example was pre Covid anyways...

Maybe I missed the point you were attempting to make. I am still fuzzy on what was the point of including Sinn Fein other than to suggest more people are moving to alternate views. Either way, it actually makes an point - Sinn Fein offer simplistic answers which people gravitate to. In the election a portion of the population bought into the easy answers they proposed which have little basis in the real world. In the pandemic, some people are gravitating towards the simplistic view that its not bad and we can live our live as normal without consequence as it absolves them of individual responsibility while allowing them to blame the "other". Sinn Fein ironically have pivoted to the opposite simplistic view where things would all be rosy if only we did more

Boggles · 29-01-2021 09:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did either of you bother to read the part were I said I’m no Sinn Fein fan?

Or did you see Sinn Fein and become triggered.

The election and the example was pre Covid anyways...

So their large supporter base and party policy doesn't matter now?

You can always agree with a certain policy of a party without been a fan of them.

You really have to stop looking at everything in black and white, it must be exhausting.

weldoninhio · 29-01-2021 09:34AM

Graham wrote: »

These are temporary restrictions during a global pandemic?

Those of us who can see beyond Covid19 understand that.

Is the liquidation of the Arcadia group temporary?? Tell that to the 490 workers made permanently redundant from Topman, Dorothy Perkins, Burton, Miss Selfridge, Evans and Wallis this morning.

weldoninhio · 29-01-2021 09:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Valid questions.

Construction - to prevent unnecessary movement of people. All non essential work is not permitted at the moment, so not just construction. If robust controls were put in place there is room for debate in my view.

Special Needs education - ask the unions. The government wanted to restart

Alignment with NI - given the representative of the majority population in the north is focused on making sure they are aligned with GB, rather than having any interest in looking south, is there much we can do?

The one liners are generally directed at nonsense such as "lockdowns have no effect" and "understanding restrictions in going against science" and "0.2% death rate" and "false positives PCRs" etc etc. And if a few people would get away from relying on the second rate nonsense from discredited charlatans like Ivor Cummings, Judy Mikovits, Mike Yeadon etc. a genuine debate may break out

All non-essential closed? Is Argos essential? Easons? Homestore and More? Woodies? And the rest.

pjohnson · 29-01-2021 09:40AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Is the liquidation of the Arcadia group temporary?? Tell that to the 490 workers made permanently redundant from Topman, Dorothy Perkins, Burton, Miss Selfridge, Evans and Wallis this morning.

Something something "SINN FEIN"

weldoninhio · 29-01-2021 09:42AM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope, I have no idea who Noxx is but they are talking scutter, you certainly don't want people to be afraid, that could lead to panic.

That's the last thing you want in a pandemic. Someone has been watching too many movies.

Pandemic Denial which is largely this thread is also based around fear, but again denial is far better than panic.

Denial will just cause (at least in ireland) ranting and raving online and not much else. You'll get the odd bunch of simpletons out marching, but if it wasn't Covid they'd be out marching against faster broadband or whatever weak minded nonsense they have conjured up.

The vast majority of the populous understand the need for restrictions and adherence is high, that's why instance rates are plummeting.

Holohan LITERALLY went no TV with a chart of fear and claimed that people were not scared enough of Covid.

29-01-2021 09:43AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

All non-essential closed? Is Argos essential? Easons? Homestore and More? Woodies? And the rest.

Comprehensive list of what is deemed essential

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/60ecc-essential-retail-outlets-for-level-5/

Homestore and More are closed as far as I am aware and according to their website. Argos are open for click and collect on essential items

29-01-2021 09:43AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe I missed the point you were attempting to make. I am still fuzzy on what was the point of including Sinn Fein other than to suggest more people are moving to alternate views. Either way, it actually makes an point - Sinn Fein offer simplistic answers which people gravitate to. In the election a portion of the population bought into the easy answers they proposed which have little basis in the real world. In the pandemic, some people are gravitating towards the simplistic view that its not bad and we can live our live as normal without consequence as it absolves them of individual responsibility while allowing them to blame the "other". Sinn Fein ironically have pivoted to the opposite simplistic view where things would all be rosy if only we did more

The point I am making with Sinn Fein is that nobody wanted to acknowledge them.

So much so, that RTÉ had the leaders debate and didn’t even invite any leaders apart from LV and MM.

And even after the election people desperately clung to “Oh but they didn’t get a majority “. Anyone with a brain can see they would have won had they ran more candidates.

Everybody from FF/FG to RTÉ and the main media were desperate to make out they were a minority.

weldoninhio · 29-01-2021 09:44AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

What's your rationale behind the surge in cases after Christmas and the reduction since this level 5 lockdown?

HSPC has come out and said that this current surge began weeks before the last Level 5 lockdown ended.

29-01-2021 09:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The point I am making with Sinn Fein is that nobody wanted to acknowledge them.

So much so, that RTÉ had the leaders debate and didn’t even invite any leaders apart from LV and MM.

And even after the election people desperately clung to “Oh but they didn’t get a majority “. Anyone with a brain can see they would have won had they ran more candidates.

Everybody from FF/FG to RTÉ and the main media were desperate to make out they were a minority.

They would have won more seats through transfers. They ran candidates in every constituency and only got 25% of the vote however

29-01-2021 09:47AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

HSPC has come out and said that this current surge began weeks before the last Level 5 lockdown ended.

I missed this. have you a link?

SusieBlue · 29-01-2021 09:52AM

Boggles wrote: »

As you have said previously, you aren't. So you know 1 person technically.

Good morning Boggles, happy Friday to you. Colour me stunned to see you partially quoting a post to make a passive aggressive dig at me.

I have obeyed all current guidelines since they were introduced, so nope, you are completely wrong on that front. You won’t catch me meeting up with multiple people while crying for the need for level 5 online.

pjohnson · 29-01-2021 09:54AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Good morning Boggles, happy Friday to you. Colour me stunned to see you partially quoting a post to make a passive aggressive dig at me.

I have obeyed all current guidelines since they were introduced, so nope, you are completely wrong on that front. You won’t catch me meeting up with multiple people while crying for the need for level 5 online.

Good to see you learned this time around. We can all agree on that!

weldoninhio · 29-01-2021 09:55AM

Arghus wrote: »

The benefit is having a health system that doesn't collapse.

Do you remember when we lifted the lockdown in December and it was immediately followed by a surge of cases that threatened to overwhelm the system unless further action was taken?

You were wearing your blue jumper?

Third surge bagan 22/11/2020. Not after lockdown was lifted. As per HSPC.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week032021_25012021_WebVersion_final.pdf

SusieBlue · 29-01-2021 09:56AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Good to see you learned this time around. We can all agree on that!

Morning PJ, good to see you are also also posting your usual one liner sound bites in an effort to be funny. Excellent contribution, as always.

29-01-2021 09:57AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Is the liquidation of the Arcadia group temporary?? Tell that to the 490 workers made permanently redundant from Topman, Dorothy Perkins, Burton, Miss Selfridge, Evans and Wallis this morning.

The saddest things about this are that people will try to make out that they were in big trouble anyways and lockdown had no impact. And people will still believe that everyone on PUP has a job to just go back to when restrictions lift.

FintanMcluskey · 29-01-2021 09:58AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Is the liquidation of the Arcadia group temporary?? Tell that to the 490 workers made permanently redundant from Topman, Dorothy Perkins, Burton, Miss Selfridge, Evans and Wallis this morning.

Paschal Donohue has finally admitted “ there will be a reckoning”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/donohoe-sees-political-trap-amid-rising-debts-1.4470468?mode=amp

pjohnson · 29-01-2021 09:58AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Morning PJ, good to see you are also also posting your usual one liner sound bites in an effort to be funny. Excellent contribution, as always.

I was showing appreciation for you actually being responsible and following restrictions this time around.

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