Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 04:54PM

Boggles wrote: »

Indeed.

Ya...a mild pandemic, you could argue we are just dealing with a new virus that is now endemic in our population but it makes no difference really.

Comparing this to the Spanish Flu is off the wall hysterical!!!!

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 04:54PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Who is denying the existence of a pandemic? Are you hearing voices in your head, as it would explain a lot!!!!!

Comparing this to the Spanish Flu is like comparing the conflict in Libya to WW1.

This is more in the realm of bad flu seasons.

Restrictions? Restrictions are what Sweden did...we did lockdowns nearly 6 months of severe lockdowns destroying an important part of our economy and imposing huge human sacrifices on ordinary people.

So again...you can't produce a single morsel of science that suggests using severe lockdowns as a tool for combating a virus.

Heheh :pac:

You are correct on that 2nd part in bold. Unfortunately.

I think 1 thing is fair to say, if there was a lot of scientific studies showing how great lockdowns are - these would be thrown in our faces a LONG LONG time ago.

28-01-2021 04:55PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Going by their posts many here must have taken the red pill.

"The terms "red pill" and "blue pill" refer to a choice between revealing an unpleasant or otherwise life-changing truth, represented by the red pill, and remaining in blissful ignorance, represented by the blue pill."

:eek:

PTH2009 · 28-01-2021 04:55PM

Level 4 seems the exact same as 5

Saw a chart that outdoor dining would be permitted in level 4 ?

28-01-2021 04:56PM

Boggles wrote: »

No we didn't.

The government have stated several times that easing of restrictions will be dependent on clearing out the hospitals in particular ICU and not just instance rate of the virus.

Best way to do that is try to ensure 900ish are not catching Covid in hospital.

But we’ll keep those damn barbers closed for a few months yet

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 04:56PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya...a mild pandemic, you could argue we are just dealing with a new virus that is now endemic in our population but it makes no difference really.

Comparing this to the Spanish Flu is off the wall hysterical!!!!

Prof McConkey, the head of the department of international health and tropical medicine at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, told RTɒs This Week programme on Sunday that coronavirus “could be like the Spanish flu, the Irish Civil War and the 1929 stock market crash all at once”.

He predicted that in the worst case scenario 80 per cent of the population or four million people in the Republic could get the disease with a death rate of between 2 and 3 per cent (80,000 to 120,000).

Lols.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/simon-harris-this-could-go-well-beyond-the-health-service-1.4197351

Thats how this hysteria started really. Its just obvious it hasnt ended

Boggles · 28-01-2021 04:56PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya...a mild pandemic, you could argue we are just dealing with a new virus that is now endemic in our population but it makes no difference really.

:pac:

You can argue whatever you want, fill your boots.

28-01-2021 04:56PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The week we had a 7000 case drop they announced a 6 week extension to the current lockdown.

Interesting that the same people thank this post berating us for not lifting restrictions due a fall in case numbers also thank a post berating the use of case numbers to impose restrictions.

KrustyUCC · 28-01-2021 04:58PM

Yes if it's level 4

Leo is on about Level 4 with modifications

No way they allow outdoor dining

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 04:59PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes if it's level 4

Leo is on about Level 4 with modifications

No way they allow outdoor dining

Is it because thats where covid spreads the most?

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 04:59PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Prof McConkey, the head of the department of international health and tropical medicine at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, told RTɒs This Week programme on Sunday that coronavirus “could be like the Spanish flu, the Irish Civil War and the 1929 stock market crash all at once”.

He predicted that in the worst case scenario 80 per cent of the population or four million people in the Republic could get the disease with a death rate of between 2 and 3 per cent (80,000 to 120,000).

Lols.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/simon-harris-this-could-go-well-beyond-the-health-service-1.4197351

Thats how this hysteria started really. Its just obvious it hasnt ended

Could be
Worst case scenario

28-01-2021 04:59PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Prof McConkey, the head of the department of international health and tropical medicine at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, told RTɒs This Week programme on Sunday that coronavirus “could be like the Spanish flu, the Irish Civil War and the 1929 stock market crash all at once”.

He predicted that in the worst case scenario 80 per cent of the population or four million people in the Republic could get the disease with a death rate of between 2 and 3 per cent (80,000 to 120,000).

Lols.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/simon-harris-this-could-go-well-beyond-the-health-service-1.4197351

Thats how this hysteria started really. Its just obvious it hasn't ended

That was always the upper end of projections, and it was based on what was known at the time. Now we are looking at 30k if everyone was to get it

Do you scoof at people who bring a coat when rain was forecast and it doesn't rain?

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 05:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That was always the upper end of projections, and it was based on what was known at the time. Now we are looking at 30k if everyone was to get it

Do you scoof at people who bring a coat when rain was forecast and it doesn't rain?

Where are you getting 30k from?

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:05PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Could be
Worst case scenario

No. Not it could not. It did not happen.

Not even close.

Arghus · 28-01-2021 05:06PM

Boggles wrote: »

I've all ready had this debate with you.

You attribute the drop in cases to January been a "dead" month.

I disagreed using reality as my basis.

It's not unusual for us to test over 20k on a given day by now. Yesterday we did 21k - and there's nothing unusual in that. There's still a ton of testing going on.

And this argument that falling instance of the disease can be solely put down to falling test numbers is embarrassingly false because it's so clearly not the case. It's silly and indicative of a basic unfamiliarity with the actual facts. The information about this is published every single day.

We're still testing in huge numbers, it ebbs and flows depending on demand on a given day, but testing figures are still robust.

And plus the positivity rate is consistently falling, another fact that shows the virus is in decline. Even if you were testing less people but the epidemic wasn't in decline you'd see the positivity rate rise. The exact opposite is what's happening now.

So the argument that numbers are declining because we're testing less is simply not true.

Turtwig · 28-01-2021 05:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That was always the upper end of projections, and it was based on what was known at the time. Now we are looking at 30k if everyone was to get it

Do you scoof at people who bring a coat when rain was forecast and it doesn't rain?

Worth noting too those figures are assuming adequate health care quality for a patient is maintained. If everyone on this island got Covid in an a matter of weeks the mortality rate would sky rocket as most patients wouldn't have access to basic health care that the patients in hospital currently do.

Then you have to remember that people would get stuff other than covid. It'd be an unimaginable catastrophe. Better analogy imo is scoffing at people who bunker down for a cat 5 hurricane that may hit their area.

28-01-2021 05:07PM

Over 101M cases worldwide. A figure that we all know is probably a fraction of the actual cases.

Just 2M deaths...

Where is this deadly pandemic that people keep on talking about?

And those 2M include countries like ourselves, admitting that we are way overstating the deaths.

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 05:07PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

No. Not it could not. It did not happen.

Not even close.

This seems to be the "science" they keep on about.

Someone makes an outrageous projection and convinces authorities to lockdown, when the projections don't materialise, hey bingo, it's the science folks!!!

Of course you have to ignore all the parts of the world that didn't lock down but that part is easy!!!

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:08PM

Arghus wrote: »

It's not unusual for us to test over 20k on a given day by now. Yesterday we did 21k - and there's nothing unusual in that. There's still a ton of testing going on.

And this argument that falling instance of the disease can be solely put down to falling test numbers is embarrassingly false because it's so clearly not the case. It's silly and indicative of a basic unfamiliarity with the actual facts. The information about this is published every single day.

We're still testing in huge numbers, it ebbs and flows depending on demand on a given day, but testing figures are still robust.

And plus the positivity rate is consistently falling, another fact that shows the virus is in decline. Even if you were testing less people but the epidemic wasn't in decline you'd see the positivity rate rise. The exact opposite is what's happening now.

So the argument that numbers are declining because we're testing less is simply not true.

Are you denying the fact that less tests = less cases?

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 05:09PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The week we had a 7000 case drop they announced a 6 week extension to the current lockdown.

You actually thought while we had cases in the thousands any drop of restrictions would happen? We had nowhere near those numbers in the last level 5. Be realistic and you may may be less disappointed.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:10PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

This seems to be the "science" they keep on about.

Someone makes an outrageous projection and convinces authorities to lockdown, when the projections don't materialise, hey bingo, it's the science folks!!!

Of course you have to ignore all the parts of the world that didn't lock down but that part is easy!!!

Yes.

Its always easier to fool people than to prove to them they have been fooled.

I predict 10,000 new cases announced at 6.01 today.

If they announce less it means lockdown is working.

You are welcome.

Turtwig · 28-01-2021 05:11PM

Cherry orchard is being picked dry here. Will there even be any cherries left?

28-01-2021 05:14PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Are you denying the fact that less tests = less cases?

It has to be lockdown right?

Couldn’t be that the disease peaked.
Couldn’t be that we aren’t testing close contacts.
Couldn’t be that January is dead.

It HAS to be lockdown. Ok.. So what element of lockdown is working?

We don’t know... just f*cking shut it all down.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:14PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Yes.

Its always easier to fool people than to prove to them they have been fooled.

I predict 10,000 new cases announced at 6.01 today.

If they announce less it means lockdown is working.

You are welcome.

Actually thats quite interesting. if today there are more new daily cases announced than the day before, will we revert to blaming the weekend and moon phases or will we have enough courage to say lockdown is not having the desired effect (aka not working well)?

In any case its a great shame that we go another day with children in our country missing out on social interaction with classmates. And better quality education also.

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 05:15PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Yes.

Its always easier to fool people than to prove to them they have been fooled.

I predict 10,000 new cases announced at 6.01 today.

If they announce less it means lockdown is working.

You are welcome.

We dont need pretend predictions. The big drops in cases since lockdown is what people go by and why most will continue to support lockdown.

KrustyUCC · 28-01-2021 05:15PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Is it because thats where covid spreads the most?

Nope but they will want to stop people gathering

Plus you know COVID loves alcohol so ...

At a prediction outdoor dining would be in May at a minimum

Turtwig · 28-01-2021 05:15PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Actually thats quite interesting. if today there are more new daily cases announced than the day before, will we revert to blaming the weekend and moon phases or will we have enough courage to say lockdown is not having the desired effect (aka not working well)?

In any case its a great shame that we go another day with children in our country missing out on social interaction with classmates. And better quality education also.

Quoting and replying to yourself???

Arghus · 28-01-2021 05:16PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Are you denying the fact that less tests = less cases?

Nope.

Read my post carefully and slowly and hopefully you should see that's not the point I was making.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 05:17PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Nope but they will want to stop people gathering

Plus you know COVID loves alcohol so ...

At a prediction outdoor dining would be in May at a minimum

Any links showing that outdoor dinning causes increase in covid incidence rates?

Boggles · 28-01-2021 05:17PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Quoting and replying to yourself???

Oh Busted.

I believe they call that sockpuppeting.

Tut Tut.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings