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16 family members given vaccine

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    #1052
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Privacy Notice wrote: »
    Pointless strawman argument.

    How so, if junior 1 or 2 was vaccinated before 6pm it wasnt a surplus vaccine ,


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    #1053
    Privacy Notice
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    How so, if junior 1 or 2 was vaccinated before 6pm it wasnt a surplus vaccine ,

    Yeah yeah if this and if that. Stick to the facts.


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    #1054
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Privacy Notice wrote: »
    Yeah yeah if this and if that. Stick to the facts.

    Well it's going to the medical council, if it turns out that the 2 were vaccinated pre-surplus its criminality


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    #1055
    Privacy Notice
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Well it's going to the medical council, if it turns out that the 2 were vaccinated pre-surplus its criminality

    Conjecture.


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    #1056
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Privacy Notice wrote: »
    If they didn't vaccinate anyone that day and just binned the 1000+ vaccines, I think it would be game over.


    Etc etc...

    So if your vulnerable relative dies because some gormless rugger bugger got the vaccine instead its okay


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    #1057
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    So both were ineligible and the private practice one is in breach of lockdown as they close around 5PM It will all come out in the medical council hearing anyway

    Well actually both would qualify under group 4, which is the group that the list recommends if you can't get people from group 1 or 2 (which he did, over 100 of them, at short notice.....)

    also a medical appointment is considered essential and how do you know they live more than 5km away?


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    #1058
    Privacy Notice
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    So if your vulnerable relative dies because some gormless rugger bugger got the vaccine instead its okay

    Was my relative there at the hospital at 9.30pm on the 8th January? If they were on the list to be vaccinated then they would have been vaccinated. No one was denied their scheduled vaccine.


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    #1059
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    So if your vulnerable relative dies because some gormless rugger bugger got the vaccine instead its okay

    The granny killer argument, usually reserved for when you've run out of arguments...... In this case you didn't have an argument to begin with.


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    #1060
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Privacy Notice wrote: »
    Was my relative there at the hospital at 9.30pm on the 8th January?

    I'd be asking more questions if my 80 plus granny was hanging around maternity hospitals.


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    #1061
    RandomViewer
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    Privacy Notice wrote: »
    Was my relative there at the hospital at 9.30pm on the 8th January?

    Neither were the masters sons by the looks of it


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    #1062
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Neither were the masters sons by the looks of it

    You mean by the looks of the story you made up in your head?


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    #1063
    Privacy Notice
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Neither were the masters sons by the looks of it

    They didn't need to be but you have deflected my point instead of tackling it head on.


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    #1064
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    So if your vulnerable relative dies because some gormless rugger bugger got the vaccine instead its okay

    Considering these were destined for the bin, your poor attempts at drama are illogical


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    #1065
    Privacy Notice
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    I wonder is there something more serious than Covid going around? Something that is turning people's brains into scutter.


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    #1066
    mikeym
    Registered Users Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Did anyone get sacked yet?


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    #1067
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Privacy Notice wrote: »
    They didn't need to be but you have deflected my point instead of tackling it head on.

    The records should show their vaccination time, if its earlier than 9PM and a suspect much earlier they weren't surplus , CCTV will likely play a part in the inquiry and they'd be better come clean now


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    #1068
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    The records should show their vaccination time, if its earlier than 9PM and a suspect much earlier they weren't surplus , CCTV will likely play a part in the inquiry and they'd be better come clean now

    Don't quit the day job batman..

    And if records and cctv prove they were there after 9.30, and phone records show the effort to find suitable candidates, you'll be on here with another fantasy.......


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    #1069
    RandomViewer
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    hynesie08 wrote: »
    The granny killer argument, usually reserved for when you've run out of arguments...... In this case you didn't have an argument to begin with.

    So how many people did You Vaccinate that day that You knew shouldn't have been there, any politicians offspring?


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    #1070
    Privacy Notice
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    So how many people did You Vaccinate that day that You knew shouldn't have been there, any politicians offspring?

    I think you have lost the room mate.


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    #1071
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    So how many people did You Vaccinate that day that You knew shouldn't have been there, any politicians offspring?

    I think I know what you're asking me, but it makes so little sense that I can't comprehend the question......

    What politicians son?
    Where am I vaccinating them?
    Why am I vaccinating them?

    I once kicked a ministers daughter out of an event I was working for doing sniff in the jax, does that count?


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    #1072
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I think I know what you're asking me, but it makes so little sense that I can't comprehend the question......

    What politicians son?
    Where am I vaccinating them?
    Why am I vaccinating them?

    I once kicked a ministers daughter out of an event I was working for doing sniff in the jax, does that count?

    You were using the royal We last night, as in what happened in the Coombe involved you


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    #1073
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    You were using the royal We last night, as in what happened in the Coombe involved you

    I used it in relation to ireland having a a vaccine reserve, but since you just make up stories and then believe them......... OK.....


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    #1074
    plodder
    Registered Users Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭plodder


    GreeBo wrote: »
    You keep assuming that this happened on day 1 of the vaccine being taken out of the deep freeze, do you have any proof that this batch wasnt already on day 5?
    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that there's no good reason for vaccines to be (normally) out of the freezer for that long. If they are delivered in batches that can be used in one or two days, then that gives you another few days to deal with late comers, or additional qualified recipients to take up any excess.


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    #1075
    Dressoutlet
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    RandomViewer wrote: »
    The records should show their vaccination time, if its earlier than 9PM and a suspect much earlier they weren't surplus , CCTV will likely play a part in the inquiry and they'd be better come clean now

    My nanny was killed by covid. I don't care who get a vaccine and when.
    Jesus can we not waste more money on ****e like this.
    Nobody who matters actually cares about this non sense


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    #1076
    Wombatman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Fathers are only allowed in when the mothers in the delivery room, otherwise they are not on the premises, are you suggesting we pull them away from the birth of their child to vaccinate them?

    Wrong. Again. Go away and Google how long labor takes.
    https://www.coombe.ie/visitor-policy


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    #1077
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,376 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    plodder wrote: »
    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that there's no good reason for vaccines to be (normally) out of the freezer for that long. If they are delivered in batches that can be used in one or two days, then that gives you another few days to deal with late comers, or additional qualified recipients to take up any excess.

    Maybe, maybe not.

    First off the vaccines are long-term stored at -75C. When refrigeration happens they are at -75. They are probably not available for distribution for 24-48 hours. That give 3-4 days max. You are probably distributing on day 3 and 4. They need to be in a fridge while transported and for as long as possible pre use. I imagine that special transport us used and that transport may do 2-3 runs a day. I doubt if there is a return procedure and it would not be a good idea as vaccination staff are better to work on a non return policy less chance of waste. As well it was a Friday if not used was there a vaccination process going on over the weekend

    This happened last Friday week. We were 10-12 days into the vacination process. Phizer stated there was 5 doses per vial. Good practice is achieving 6-7 doses. However at day 8-10 this would not be common knowledge. Even less chance if the Coombe carried out the process themselves. After they vaccinated all there Group 1&2 staff they had 120 extra doses.

    They contacted the HSE. If there was a return policy the HSE would have informed them. They moved through to other Health staff but obviously were struggling to use all doses however they managed to find 104 priority recipient'd. After that they supplied 9 doses to over 70's and 7 to non priority recipients.

    There is 120 extra people received the first dose. Logistically they did very well. They took decisions and use all the product with no waste that we know about.

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #1078
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Wrong. Again. Go away and Google how long labor takes.
    https://www.coombe.ie/visitor-policy

    Imagine being that confident and that wrong.....

    Hse
    In most cases, your partner can be there for the delivery. Every effort will be made to ensure your partner is present at the birth. But in some hospitals, this may not be possible. Any restrictions in place are to keep everyone safe.

    Policy is the dad is only allowed in when the mother is in the delivery room. But I'll be sure to tell my cousin who had to sleep in his car with the phone on loud that boards would have given him the right advice.......

    EDIT: took your advice and googled...... A protest outside the Coombe because partners aren't allowed attend full labour.......

    https://www.thejournal.ie/maternity-vigil-5300975-Dec2020/


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    #1079
    plodder
    Registered Users Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭plodder


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    Maybe, maybe not.

    First off the vaccines are long-term stored at -75C. When refrigeration happens they are at -75. They are probably not available for distribution for 24-48 hours. That give 3-4 days max. You are probably distributing on day 3 and 4. They need to be in a fridge while transported and for as long as possible pre use. I imagine that special transport us used and that transport may do 2-3 runs a day. I doubt if there is a return procedure and it would not be a good idea as vaccination staff are better to work on a non return policy less chance of waste. As well it was a Friday if not used was there a vaccination process going on over the weekend
    Not sure where you're getting that from. They are transported from the factory packed in dry ice which is the equivalent of the -75C freezers. They can be kept at that state for six months in the cold store in Dublin. So, it really should be day 1 when they leave the freezer for distribution. Ideally, they would be transported from there in the same dry ice packed containers they were received in. So, the five day clock doesn't start until they arrive at the hospital where they will be used.


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    #1080
    crossman47
    Registered Users Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Multipass wrote: »
    I think the takeaway from this thread is that a large proportion of the population tacitly approve of nepotism. It’s still ingrained in so many areas of Irish life, and there seems to be depressingly little will to stamp it out. It’s so deep within the culture at every level :mad:

    No it isn't. I have no time for nepotism but this was not an example.


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    #1081
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,376 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    plodder wrote: »
    Not sure where you're getting that from. They are transported from the factory packed in dry ice which is the equivalent of the -75C freezers. They can be kept at that state for six months in the cold store in Dublin. So, it really should be day 1 when they leave the freezer for distribution. Ideally, they would be transported from there in the same dry ice packed containers they were received in. So, the five day clock doesn't start until they arrive at the hospital where they will be used.

    I imagine that they are defrosted to refrigerator temperature before distribution. It would take special training for handling anything at a temperature of -75c. They are refrigerated to thaw and it takes 3 hours minimum.

    They come in trays of 195 vials which was 1k doses but is actually now transpiring to be 12-1400 doses. There are 5 trays in a box about 6.5k doses. While they can be transported in dry ice it's not ideal as it is a more specialised transportation method. It is easier to transfer refrigerated to hospitals.

    It becomes awkward logistically to handle returns. You need to make sure they go out again next day and are used first. So generally boxes or trays will be batch thawed to send refrigerated to a vaccination center. In this situation Day two would be normal the earliest for distribution.
    As I said special refrigerated transportation is used this may be doing 2-3 runs a day. Messibg with dry ice leads to mistakes.

    Slava Ukrainii



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