16 family members given vaccine

votecounts

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0118/1190394-coombe-virus/


People like myself waiting patiently for my parents to get the vaccine and low risk people get it simply because they have a family member in the know. If they were going to run out why did they order so many or give them to more deserving cases. Sackable offence for Donnolly and the staff members involved.
No wonder the rollout will takes ages:(

TheChizler

Family members who worked in the hospital though. I agree the optics aren't great.

PO!NT

Tip of the sword stuff imo.

I have 0 proof but I dont believe this is an isolated event.

booterboy

16 jabs would have been wasted if not used.
Have no problem with this as we are in position to flush vaccines down the toilet.

Dravokivich

booterboy wrote: »

16 jabs would have been wasted if not used.
Have no problem with this as we are in position to flush vaccines down the toilet.

Who's going to be responsible now for making sure they get the boosters to support the initial shot?

iamwhoiam

16 who now need the second dose too of course

GhostyMcGhost

TheChizler wrote: »

Family members who worked in the hospital though. I agree the optics aren't great.

And the vaccines were otherwise gone to waste. For once someone was trying to be proactive and use every single dose available in some way and avoid waste

The headline could make for great click bait but in the circumstances I have to agree, give the vaccine to someone if there’s a few left over. Of course you now need to find 16 second doses for those people

The bigger scandal would be throwing perfectly good vaccines in the bin. At the time there was no way to contact anyone on a waiting list and the HSE basically were clueless what to do

Padre_Pio

TheChizler wrote: »

Family members who worked in the hospital though. I agree the optics aren't great.

Of the 16, 9 were over 70.
Absolutely no problem with vaccines getting used.

They should get their second dose in 3 weeks, probably around the time they were due the first dose.

is_that_so

votecounts wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0118/1190394-coombe-virus/


People like myself waiting patiently for my parents to get the vaccine and low risk people get it simply because they have a family member in the know. If they were going to run out why did they order so many or give them to more deserving cases. Sackable offence for Donnolly and the staff members involved.
No wonder the rollout will takes ages:(

Donnelly knows nothing about it. The issue is with the "process" and that they seem to be making it up as it suits them.

_Brian

There’s a side question to this that’s more important.

How did the Dublin maternity hospitals get enough vaccine to cover every staff member before a cure hospitals with actual red covid wards get enough to cover front line workers. They figures don’t support that these are covid hot spots nor high risk for staff or patients.

This happened because they essentially had too many vaccinations to use up while other hospitals were getting none.

While the optics are terrible it’s still better than wasting the 16 doses and many of those who received the jab were 70+

Fann Linn

As someone said last night 2 Garda stations and Dolphins Barn fire brigade station within 15 minutes of the Coombe.
Plenty of front line workers there.

Lu Tze

booterboy wrote: »

16 jabs would have been wasted if not used.
Have no problem with this as we are in position to flush vaccines down the toilet.

Really, they would have been wasted? They were in a hospital, was there nobody left in the hospital that was higher up the priority list that they had resort to ringing up family members and wait for them to travel to the hospital?

Irishphotodesk

TheChizler wrote: »

Family members who worked in the hospital though. I agree the optics aren't great.

Any proof of this or is it just a random claim that the family were all working in the hospital.

Rte quote the master saying
"In hindsight as Master I deeply regret that family members of employees were vaccinated and for that I wholeheartedly apologise."

kingstevii

booterboy wrote: »

16 jabs would have been wasted if not used.
Have no problem with this as we are in position to flush vaccines down the toilet.

Could've rang dolphins barn fire station and got the 16 paramedics on duty that evening vaccinated. The same paramedics who got their vaccination cancelled last Thursday.

DraftDodger

There is going to be lots and lots of this kind of stuff going on in the coming weeks and months and it won't be confined to this country either. As the son of a 82 year old father and a 79 year old mother who are basically confined to the house until they get their second jab to hear of people jumping queues is maddening.

Pete_Cavan

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Of the 16, 9 were over 70.
Absolutely no problem with vaccines getting used.

If that's the case, it certainly puts it in a different light.

There are still concerns around younger family members getting it, did senior staff have family members hanging around the hospital at the end of each day on the off chance there were spare vaccines going? More likely it was more coordinated than that which is not right.

Hoboo

votecounts wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0118/1190394-coombe-virus/


People like myself waiting patiently for my parents to get the vaccine and low risk people get it simply because they have a family member in the know. If they were going to run out why did they order so many or give them to more deserving cases. Sackable offence for Donnolly and the staff members involved.
No wonder the rollout will takes ages:(

It was the right decision which was time critical in a system that doesn't yet exist, to avoid wasteage.

Nothing to see here.

IAMAMORON

The outragers are going to love this one.

Hateful to see a bit of common sense get in the way of a decent bit of outrage, especially during theses trying times.

It is an absolute disgrace etc etc , typical abuse of senior positions etc etc, how dare they? My auntie hasn't got hers yet etc etc.

SteM

PO!NT wrote: »

Tip of the sword stuff imo.

I have 0 proof but I dont believe this is an isolated event.

Sure why would you need proof when you can make baseless accusations. Isn't that whet the internet was invented for.

fits

I’m happy they were used and not dumped but agree that a procedure needs to be put in place to prevent abuse of potential available extra vaccines. I believe quite a few extra doses being given out in recent weeks. Heard of some being dumped too. They should never be dumped ever.

My biggest concern here is why are vaccines on the brink of been wasted?

Every single person in the country is locked up for close to a year now. We’re waiting on millions to be vaccinated!!!

How the f*ck do we already have a bunch about to be wasted?

hotmail.com

TheChizler wrote: »

Family members who worked in the hospital though. I agree the optics aren't great.

9 that received it are over 70. They don't work in the hospital surely?

PO!NT

This is one day and one hospital who had 16 spare dose.

You know the question is coming to what happened to spare doses on all previous days in all other vaccination outlets?

_Brian

Deleted User wrote: »

My biggest concern here is why are vaccines on the brink of been wasted?

Every single person in the country is locked up for close to a year now. We’re waiting on millions to be vaccinated!!!

How the f*ck do we already have a bunch about to be wasted?

Do people live under a rock or something.

The vaccines once defrosted and mixed must be used within 6 hours. It’s not like they have been lying round on a shelf for six week or anything.

I read something similar in German press. The doses are perishable and rather than wasting them they were collaring anyone they could to use the doses before they went off.

_Brian

PO!NT wrote: »

This is one day and one hospital who had 16 spare dose.

You know the question is coming to what happened to spare doses on all previous days in all other vaccination outlets?

In other centres there aren’t enough vaccinations to go round so excess isn’t a problem.

Pity now is it will be a safer bet to bin them than have outrage over who gets them.

Tenzor07

kingstevii wrote: »

Could've rang dolphins barn fire station and got the 16 paramedics on duty that evening vaccinated. The same paramedics who got their vaccination cancelled last Thursday.

You're absolutely right, it's amazing how the families of the Admin/office staff just happened to be hanging around the corridors and got booked into the system just as the medical staff said "Oh look we have 16 leftover Vaccines.." A number of whom are younger people not in the Vulnerable group..

A quick call as you say to the local station where front-line workers now perform their daily duties with the public today are still walking around unvaccinated...

TheChizler

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Any proof of this or is it just a random claim that the family were all working in the hospital.

Rte quote the master saying
"In hindsight as Master I deeply regret that family members of employees were vaccinated and for that I wholeheartedly apologise."

I thought the OP was talking about the master's family members. That was in the news reports. Zero optics issues with regular staff members families being vaccinated.

iamwhoiam

He has apoligised to obviously knows it was not exactly the right thing to do

Master of the Coombe maternity hospital Prof Michael O’Connell said that he "wholeheartedly" apologised for the incident.


Responding to a query from the Irish Times, Prof O'Connell said: "Had they not been used they would have been discarded. I was keenly aware of that and throughout the evening and from 9.30pm onward I personally made every effort to prioritise and identify additional frontline workers and followed all measures available to me at the time.

“In hindsight, as Master I deeply regret that family members of employees were vaccinated and for that I wholeheartedly apologise.”

PO!NT

SteM wrote: »

Sure why would you need proof when you can make baseless accusations. Isn't that whet the internet was invented for.

You think this is an isolated incident?

JeffKenna

_Brian wrote: »

In other centres there aren’t enough vaccinations to go round so excess isn’t a problem.

Pity now is it will be a safer bet to bin them than have outrage over who gets them.

It's not a binary choice between throwing them away and giving them to your daughter's. Could have easily given them to patients in the hospital who are high risk and perhaps save their life.

SteM

Would people prefer to see the headline '16 vaccine doses binned on Friday night'?

They were left over, it's not like they 16 staff members didn't get their first dose because they were given to family members instead.

Kimbot

JeffKenna wrote: »

It's not a binary choice between throwing them away and giving them to your daughter's. Could have easily given them to patients in the hospital who are high risk and perhaps save their life.

Also the Combe isnt a million miles away from other hospitals with vunerable patients so why couldnt it be given to others on waiting lists in other hospitals.

Chips Lovell

The upshot of this now is that excess vaccine doses are going to get binned because the people administering them are going to be worried about the flak they'll get if someone not on the list receives one.

Sofa King Great

People are painting the decision as black and white here. It isn't necessarily a case that they were either given to family members or throw them out.

Potentially senior staff overseeing the vaccination process exerted their influence to secure vaccinations for family members ahead of others who should have been prioritised.

It isn't even the family members over 70that I have issue with but do you mean to tell me that they couldn't find anyone working in the hospital, the local garda stations, fire stations, ambulance crews, nursing homes, GPs, pharmacies that would rank ahead of the kids if the master?

Christy42

kingstevii wrote: »

Could've rang dolphins barn fire station and got the 16 paramedics on duty that evening vaccinated. The same paramedics who got their vaccination cancelled last Thursday.

And how many paramedics would have been on duty while that lot got their vaccinations? And you are certain none of them had anything more urgent to do. How long should the hospital ring around for the sake of it before making a call and bringing in people they already happen to know are free. Remembering that the hospital staff aren't exactly sitting around all day anyway.

If you want an "on call" list of people ready to go you can avoid this with plenty of admin. However it seems more likely that this "outrage" will lead to the vaccine getting binned.

TheChizler

JeffKenna wrote: »

It's not a binary choice between throwing them away and giving them to your daughter's. Could have easily given them to patients in the hospital who are high risk and perhaps save their life.

Patients in the maternity hospital who aren't eligible for the vaccine?

Not following procedure and bending rules diminishes confidence in the programme with the public.

The optics are really poor. I'm amazed at how many are saying but "ah sure". Same attitude is why so many scandals are swept under the carpet and no one is held to account.

I don't believe this to be an isolated incident.

SteM

PO!NT wrote: »

You think this is an isolated incident?

I don't know because I have no proof - you're the one who believes things with '0 proof'.

Zero proof - you're not even coming out with the usual 'well I heard off a mate that works in a hospital' type guff, you're believing something with no proof whatsoever.

PO!NT

_Brian wrote: »

In other centres there aren’t enough vaccinations to go round so excess isn’t a problem.

Pity now is it will be a safer bet to bin them than have outrage over who gets them.

I agree.

What this demonstrated is that the you can skip the queue if you know someone on the "inside"

I was hoping this wouldn't creep in but again, I dont believe this was an isolated incident.

Tenzor07

Kimbot wrote: »

Also the Combe isnt a million miles away from other hospitals with vunerable patients so why couldnt it be given to others on waiting lists in other hospitals.

Not even a 10 mins drive to St. James hospital where 100's of nurses work with Covid patients every day.

TheBoyConor

The doses perish rapidly once prepared. They simply couldn't have set up additional appointments for people in the at risk groups to come in. There wasn't enough time. If they tried to do that sure the doses would be gone off and have to be thrown away.

The had a very limited timeframe and it was a case of vaccinate someone near at hand, or don't vaccinate anyone and throw it in the bin. This is a stupid storm in a teacup. Outragers looking to be outraged. Everyone is going to get vaccinated anyway. That is 16 people off of the waiting list, whoever they might be, young or old.

iamwhoiam

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Not even a 10 mins drive to St. James hospital where 100's of nurses work with Covid patients every day.

8 minutes to Crumlin who hadnt got enough doses when they started to vaccinate

TheChizler

Kimbot wrote: »

Also the Combe isnt a million miles away from other hospitals with vunerable patients so why couldnt it be given to others on waiting lists in other hospitals.

It can't be transported when made up, and you can't bring sick people from another hospital into a maternity hospital.

looksee

I am a grandparent in my 70s, I am confined to the house. It isn't that big a deal. I don't have to work or to be anywhere and most of my friends in my age group are the same, we stay home and wait. I would much prefer to see front line workers - even to the people in the supermarkets - actually, especially people working in supermarkets, get the vaccine first.

The idea of giving it to young people and less compliant people first - all those eejits you see wandering around in gaggles with no mask in sight - has merit. Yes its not 'fair' on people who are being compliant, but its not about fairness, its about stopping the epidemic, and if a pragmatic approach to treating the less bright and less public spirited - indeed, stupid - among us is the way to stop it then so be it. If the swarm of morons that packed into a pub in Tramore had been vaccinated the Waterford figures would not have gone from near the bottom to third highest so suddenly and we would all be a lot safer.

It doesn't really matter who gets it first after front line workers and people in group situations like care homes. Its not magic, it will be at least a couple of weeks after the second dose before it has any beneficial effect afaik, we just need to accept that its still a waiting game. And people who have been vaccinated could let their guards down and get it before the vaccine has had chance to kick in. Being later in the distribution is almost preferable.

If someone was 'selling' vaccination opportunities then I would have an objection, but this using up of immediate supplies rather than wasting them is a non-starter in the outrage stakes.

polesheep

Hoboo wrote: »

It was the right decision which was time critical in a system that doesn't yet exist, to avoid wasteage.

Nothing to see here.

So, in a time critical system, there just happened to be 14 over 70s hanging about?

PO!NT

SteM wrote: »

I don't know because I have no proof - you're the one who believes things with '0 proof'.

Zero proof - you're not even coming out with the usual 'well I heard off a mate that works in a hospital' type guff, you're believing something with no proof whatsoever.

and?

Thats human nature lol

Tenzor07

iamwhoiam wrote: »

8 minutes to Crumlin who hadnt got enough doses when they started to vaccinate

Yes, it's amazing isn't it that they couldn't ask 16 frontline healthcare workers to come and get the leftover vaccines, they would have been in and out back at work in Crumlin hospital within the hour, yet 16 staff family members just happened to be closer to the Coombe?

polesheep

SteM wrote: »

Would people prefer to see the headline '16 vaccine doses binned on Friday night'?

They were left over, it's not like they 16 staff members didn't get their first dose because they were given to family members instead.

It's actually very likely. Just ask the nurses who rocked up for vaccines in hospitals around the country only to be told that there were none left.

polesheep

TheChizler wrote: »

Patients in the maternity hospital who aren't eligible for the vaccine?

The people that got them weren't eligible either.

Kimbot

TheChizler wrote: »

It can't be transported when made up, and you can't bring sick people from another hospital into a maternity hospital.

What about ambulance drivers that could have been administered it in the carpark? Or Guards/firefighters etc that would easily travel and are front line workers unlike the people that ended up getting it.