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Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Not if you, as the bulk of the Irish public do, prefer a type of potato that doesn't grow properly here. Which is my point. Roosters and queens aren't suitable for much



  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭ farmerval


    Where did you dream that up??? Queens are an excellent early variety, got Ballinacourty Queens last week in Dungarvan, they were delicious. Roosters are possibly the most popular potatoe in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭ farmerval


    That's been the case for quite some time, basically the EU are happy to pay farmers to farm, to adhere to good environmental and animal welfare practices, to essentially care for the countryside. Over time more and more CAP funding is being channelled into rural development funding rather than just farming.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Popular doesn't equal suitable.

    The bulk of potatoes we import are Maris Pipers and similar varieties which are very hard to grow here - and are suitable for stuff that the easier to grow here varieties are not

    Delicious boiled is often terrible fried - and that's how we consume most of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭ yagan


    Just on a note on potato use. The irish diet was far more varies before the cromwellian era but the mass confiscations and continued insecurity of tenure through penal law times forced dependence on the potato as it could be quickly dug up upon eviction and replanted elsewhere.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell


    According to Bord Bia, most potatoes grown in Ireland are just as suitable for the uses they cite for Maris Piper - Rooster, Kerr's Pink, Records, British Queens, Cara, Home Guard.

    We still import a lot of potatoes from the UK, but since Brexit, we have got more from Belgium, France, Italy, etc. I assume this will happen more, but we should grow more here.

    https://www.bordbia.ie/whats-in-season/vegetables/potatoes/potato-varieties/



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭ 20silkcut


    I once heard a commercial potato farmer say that he would have no interest in sowing potatoes or taking land to grow potatoes in this country more than 25 miles from the east coast or north of clonmel. Yes potatoes can be grown countrywide but large scale commercial growing is in very particular geographical regions. North Dublin and Meath being the most prominent.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    And they're wrong. Roosters are an awful compromise, suitable for bog all

    Floury varieties are completely useless for what you use waxy types for so that list is gibberish



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭ roosterman71


    On a recent Finnegans Farm video (look up their channel on Youtube) they were talking to some spud expert who was saying a lot of development is being put into potatoes that grow well here and are suitable for chipping.

    Edit: First few minutes of this one - https://youtu.be/cZ7WSC7znik



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ dublin49


    am hearing about super injunction by Boris relating to Hairdresser,relevant to Brexit because if he falls next up may change course and embrace a softer relationship with EU.Cant think of potential leader who might change their spots although Truss was a remainer a while back.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭ Mr Clever


    Gardening forum ————————>>>>>>



  • Registered Users Posts: 611 ✭✭✭ Debub


    So as per EU, no border on the island of Ireland… wonder how we will get kicked out of the SM now🤔




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ 10000maniacs


    That is not going to happen. A more likely scenario is WTO terms to NI companies wanting trade with the EU. And a WTO Brexit to all other UK companies.

    The idea that Ireland would be kicked out of the Single Market would be toxic to Ireland’s relationship with the EU.

    The EU has already said they will not allow the UK to force Ireland out of the internal market.



  • Registered Users Posts: 417 ✭✭ 2forjoy


    Possibly a border back in the sea again but this time East of the UK.

    Post edited by 2forjoy on


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 32,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    Looks like Labour are starti g to attack the Brexit mess the Tories have delivered.


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    https://www.ft.com/content/3d2217f4-916d-411b-ba6a-866f26607cb1


    “They have created a hulking ‘fatberg’ of red tape,” he will say in a speech, comparing Brexit to the “wet wipe island” found in the river Thames. “It is hampering the flow of British business — we will break that barrier down.”

    They also seem to have a plan to work with the EU to improve trade flows...

    https://www.ft.com/content/3d2217f4-916d-411b-ba6a-866f26607cb1



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭ looksee


    That link is not only behind a paywall, it has a moat and drawbridge too! 😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,916 ✭✭✭ Igotadose


    Archive.ph for the win. Not sure how they can keep doing this, but it's the Internet.





  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭ Mr Clever




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,884 ✭✭✭ ambro25


    Online comments suggest that this Daily Mail front page is a fake.

    That said, other online comments at the weekend, with a link to an article (new European IIRC), also suggested that Mail shareholder Rothermere instructed the paper to now turn on Johnson, because too out of touch with public opinion.

    Edit: found it-




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭ schmoo2k




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell


    Fake. Fake. Fake.

    Date is December 2017 in the image - so, even if it is the true headline, it is not recent. If it was real, it would include May. So fake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭ peter kern




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Hermy


    Satire and real life have become almost indistinguishable.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭ ancapailldorcha


    I'd say this is a pretext for single market and customs union membership. He'll say that the deal is unfit for purpose and blame it on Johnson. He wouldn't be wrong on either count. He can't win without southern England and southern England voted to end free movement and for the Tories. They won't change their minds just like that.

    Show me a god that does not demand mortal suffering. Show me a god that celebrates diversity, a celebration that embraces even non-believers, and is not threatened by them. Show me a god that understands the meaning of peace. In life, not in death.

    Steven Erikson



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,188 ✭✭✭✭ breezy1985


    He can do pretty much all those things if the UK stick to EU standards.

    It'll be the single market without saying single market.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,649 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nody


    And renegotiate the free trade agreement(s) that allow lower standards and assume EU has any such interest as the next Tory government is likely to lower the standards again etc. Lest we forget:

    What we're talking about here would generously be Turkey step and you know the Tories could never accept that and will hammer them on the trade deals etc. That does not stop the queues at the border either etc.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭ ancapailldorcha


    The thing is, we have hard Brexit now. If Starmer can negotiate a softer version with the EU and then run on an election saying that the Tories want to go back to bitching about the protocol and customs controls, he could do well. This could also be a stepping stone back to EU membership in the long term.

    Show me a god that does not demand mortal suffering. Show me a god that celebrates diversity, a celebration that embraces even non-believers, and is not threatened by them. Show me a god that understands the meaning of peace. In life, not in death.

    Steven Erikson



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭ yagan


    I agree with your earlier musing about Starmer's remarks, especially all the talks of vet checks being actually constructive towards a new normal, but back towards the EU it is not. NZ upholds EU standards for it's meat products but Britain hasn't produced a food surplus since before the industrial revolution and simply don't value the notion of food stability. (the largest non war loss of civilian life in UK was after all from mass starvations when laissez faire was let rule in Ireland).

    I don't envisage mass starvations, but if standards continue to be eroded and labour shortages continue I can see serious mass malnourishment issues, especially amongst the elderly the poorest.



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