Tina Satchwell *Mod note in op*

gozunda

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I take it this means this is not her!

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6616191/gardai-launch-appeal-woman-remains-bones-cork/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=irishsunfacebook&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1614192781

Is that not tabloid headlines rehashing what was initially believed when the remains were first found.

Afsik it was later established that the remains indicated a person under 65.

I've yet to see any official change on that.

It was previously reported that Tina was last seen wearing a 'bathrobe'.

Day Lewin

Lisha wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/fermoy-conor-and-shelia-dwyer-missing-2452743-Nov2015/%3famp=1

Was see as being very mysterious at the time I remember

Yes, the extraordinary disappearance of Conor and Sheila Dwyer.
And a Toyota Cressida. Never seen since.

However, on a side note, not really related but suggestive;
a car was found a few years ago on the bed of the river Blackwater, near Fermoy, by a sub-aqua team; and there was a body in it of a man who had been missing.

This just goes to show, if you will, that a car can go in that river and effectively disappear; and apparently a body in it, too.

So there are still possibilities open, that cannot be ruled out.

freshpopcorn

Day Lewin wrote: »

Yes, the extraordinary disappearance of Conor and Sheila Dwyer.
And a Toyota Cressida. Never seen since.

However, on a side note, not really related but suggestive;
a car was found a few years ago on the bed of the river Blackwater, near Fermoy, by a sub-aqua team; and there was a body in it of a man who had been missing.

This just goes to show, if you will, that a car can go in that river and effectively disappear; and apparently a body in it, too.

So there are still possibilities open, that cannot be ruled out.

That car was found outside where the diving club is based.

Day Lewin

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That car was found outside where the diving club is based.

I didn't know that...do you know the area?
Was it deep?

What is, or was, the local opinion about the strange disappearance of the Dwyers?

Our old lady of the skeletal remains -- not Tina Satchwell, apparently.

I'm sure the Gardaí have considered the possibility of Mrs Dwyer.

The Dwyers had family in the town of Fermoy, though - (as did Tina) so I presume DNA could rule that out as well.

JP Liz V1

Has the body remains found been identified?

freshpopcorn

Day Lewin wrote: »

I didn't know that...do you know the area?
Was it deep?

What is, or was, the local opinion about the strange disappearance of the Dwyers?

Our old lady of the skeletal remains -- not Tina Satchwell, apparently.

I'm sure the Gardaí have considered the possibility of Mrs Dwyer.

The Dwyers had family in the town of Fermoy, though - (as did Tina) so I presume DNA could rule that out as well.

I'm not from Fermoy but a neighboring town.(I might as well as say it's name.)

I'm fairly sure it was said or in the paper at the time the car was found but it was covered in silt. I knew about the O'Dwyer case but not this one.

From what I'm told people just assumed that the couple went into the river. That's what was said about that man also.

freshpopcorn

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Has the body remains found been identified?

No, well according to The Sun it wasn't and the Gardaí were going to make an appeal.

abitofcheese

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40235417.html

Latest update.

buttercups88

https://m.independent.ie/news/gardai-release-details-of-mystery-womans-skeletal-remains-treating-discovery-as-criminal-investigation-40143751.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding


So a lady in her 70s. 5ft-5ft2 in height. The remains there 5-10years. The said she had dentures and signs of arthritis.

So that rules out Tina completely.

tdf7187

Yes rules out Tina but now there is another mystery, very strange considering they have not ruled out murder. It would seem more likely it was an elderly person with Alzheimers who strayed away from home.

Gadgetman496

tdf7187 wrote: »

Yes rules out Tina but now there is another mystery, very strange considering they have not ruled out murder. It would seem more likely it was an elderly person with Alzheimers who strayed away from home.

If that were the case someone would have reported her missing & would have been looking for her, no?

tdf7187

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

If that were the case someone would have reported her missing & would have been looking for her, no?

Yes more than likely, but sometimes old people become hermits and lose contact with family and friends.

NutmegGirl

You’d hope that somewhere someone would notice though
Uncollected pension, post building up, Dr not seeing a patient for a couple of years, eg for flu vaccine Even the dentist who fitted the dentures
It’s sad to think that someone can be missing for 5-10 years and not be missed or noticed

punchdrunk

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

If that were the case someone would have reported her missing & would have been looking for her, no?

Time for a thread split I think?

Day Lewin

Pension not necessarily uncollected!

It quite often happens that an old person dies who may have been bedridden, and a relation or carer was collecting her pension for her.
Why report a death? Nobody has seen her for years - she may be confused or disabled or both - whatever happened, just conceal it and go on collecting -

I'm not saying this DID happen but it is one possibility. One of many.

Muahahaha

Now that we know it isnt Tina hopefully the Boards armchair detectives can get on the case to find out who it is and solve this new mystery.

freshpopcorn

Muahahaha wrote: »

Now that we know it isnt Tina hopefully the Boards armchair detectives can get on the case to find out who it is and solve this new mystery.

Don't worry we're all ready on the case!

BENDYBINN

tdf7187 wrote: »

Yes rules out Tina but now there is another mystery, very strange considering they have not ruled out murder. It would seem more likely it was an elderly person with Alzheimers who strayed away from home.

Was the body buried?
Surely the guards should have clarified this.....

Witcher

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Was the body buried?
Surely the guards should have clarified this.....

So you can have a gossip is it?

BENDYBINN

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Was the body buried?
Surely the guards should have clarified this.....

What they did say was that they knew how she died, but are not releasing that information for operational reasons.

BENDYBINN

Witcher wrote: »

So you can have a gossip is it?

Er, it’s called discussion.......

Day Lewin

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Was the body buried?
Surely the guards should have clarified this.....

Appears to be a bit unclear; on the radio they referred to the place being used a "tipping spot" which means illegal dumping.

However, the skull was found first, not on the surface but at some unknown depth; and at first they didn't have all the bones, but searched a wide area to recover the full skeletal remains.
So this doesn't sound so much like the classic shallow grave, but possibly more like a surface placement and subsequent disturbance by wildlife etc, plus being covered by litter, etc.

All speculative, and the Gardaí aren't saying everything.

But they DID say that their earnest wish is to restore to this poor lady at least the dignity of a name and a decent burial.

It's a criminal investigation now. Gardai have completed door-to-door enquiries in the area- there is also this statement:

"Supt Gamble said the investigation is ongoing and further scientific tests, including carbon dating, are being conducted as part of the investigation.

"Somebody in the community must know how this woman’s remains came to be at this location," he said."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40235477.html

So I'm taking from this statement, that this person is a local or at least was living locally when they disappeared and the answer will be found locally. Their DNA may give Gardai an indication of Nationality and quite possibly, a likely location if Irish. It's possible they already have identified very very distant cousins through DNA analysis.

Shirley someone locally remembers someone of that age that they haven't seen in many years, and whom suddenly vanished without clear explanation.

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

Now that we know it isnt Tina hopefully the Boards armchair detectives can get on the case to find out who it is and solve this new mystery.

You're not a bad little detective yourself

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116345448&postcount=342

expectationlost

definitely need a new thread clip back about a month

Human remains found in Cork may be from coffin that was moved
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/human-remains-found-in-cork-may-be-from-coffin-that-was-moved-1.4498424#.YD1EtaCSLWw.twitter

The Irish Times has learnt that gardaí have spoken to undertakers in the East Cork area to see if they were aware of any family circumstances that might have prompted someone to exhume a body from its original resting place.

read this place was called a the tipping point?

how much of a coffin would be there after 10 years under earth/rubbish

buttercups88

expectationlost wrote: »

definitely need a new thread clip back about a month

Human remains found in Cork may be from coffin that was moved
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/human-remains-found-in-cork-may-be-from-coffin-that-was-moved-1.4498424#.YD1EtaCSLWw.twitter





read this place was called a the tipping point?

how much of a coffin would be there after 10 years under earth/rubbish

Wow that's an unexpected turn. Would explain why there's no missing person report. Doubt there would have been much of a coffin after 10years. But if someone did move the body when there wasn't much left of coffin they would hardly have taken the handles would they?

Be right back

expectationlost wrote: »

definitely need a new thread clip back about a month

Human remains found in Cork may be from coffin that was moved
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/human-remains-found-in-cork-may-be-from-coffin-that-was-moved-1.4498424#.YD1EtaCSLWw.twitter



read this place was called a the tipping point?

how much of a coffin would be there after 10 years under earth/rubbish

That's a strange turn of events. It isn't usual for someone to be buried in nightclothes?

Lisha

buttercups88 wrote: »

Wow that's an unexpected turn. Would explain why there's no missing person report. Doubt there would have been much of a coffin after 10years. But if someone did move the body when there wasn't much left of coffin they would hardly have taken the handles would they?

That seems mad
You wouldn’t bury someone in a nightdress surely.... and If someone did exhume a body wouldn’t they have to rebury it accordingly...

expectationlost

its described as "white nightdress-type garment".... "type" doesn't mean it is. If they thought it was some old lady that wandered off or worse it might have been appropriate to describe it as that at the time.

Be right back

Be right back wrote: »

That's a strange turn of events. It isn't usual for someone to be buried in nightclothes?

There are special burial gowns- it's not at all uncommon and older people especially might favour these but and also, being buried in a night-dress is again not totally unheard of.

What sort of situation could lead to this horrible event taking place? I can't think of even one scenario- it doesn't make sense.