Tina Satchwell *Mod note in op*

Ten of Swords

The Tina Satchwell thread in After Hours was closed last night and after some discussion it was decided to start a new one in CA as this is a more appropriate place for it. The case has been back in the news lately due to the discovery of currently unidentified skeletal remains found on the old Youghal-Middleton railway last Tuesday.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dna-dental-records-key-to-identifying-skeletal-remains-39951601.html

This thread can discuss this and other developments / updates however based on how the After Hours thread ended up let's be sensible about this

1) No speculation. Tina Satchwell is a missing person, that is all we know at this time.

2) No accusations. The AH thread made a number of accusations and strong insinuations - this is not acceptable and baseless accusations will lead to a threadban.

3) No memes, jokes or crude remarks, this is not the place for it. It is uncalled for and people close to her could read this thread.

4) The Fred Flannery case (murder/disappearance of 3 men in the same area during the 90s) has no relevance to this whatsoever yet the AH thread was derailed by an extremely long tangent about this so leave it out.

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the.red.baron

hurikane

Can we also add no discussion on the accuracy of lie detector tests?

Happy4all

Early indications are that the remains found in Cork recently are not those of Tina. So pointless speculating re same unless some different information comes to light.

twill

Happy4all wrote: »

Early indications are that the remains found in Cork recently are not those of Tina. So pointless speculating re same unless some different information comes to light.

Do you have a link for that? The Sunday World says they're comparing the DNA of the dead person with the DNA of Tina Satchwell and others.

I do agree that speculation is useless, though.

RIP to that person and I hope someone's family will soon get a small measure of comfort from the knowledge that they've been found.

Happy4all

twill wrote: »

Do you have a link for that? The Sunday World says they're comparing the DNA of the dead person with the DNA of Tina Satchwell and others.

I do agree that speculation is useless, though.

RIP to that person and I hope someone's family will soon get a small measure of comfort from the knowledge that they've been found.

The same paper has another article stating it's unlikely, i.e. older persons and more than 5 years Insitu. But the other headline story will sell more print.

Charlie19

'The area was immediately sealed off and an exhaustive examination of the site by gardaí yielded further bones, some of which displayed signs of animal activity'

What does signs of animal activity mean?

Nigzcurran

Charlie19 wrote: »

'The area was immediately sealed off and an exhaustive examination of the site by gardaí yielded further bones, some of which displayed signs of animal activity'

What does signs of animal activity mean?

Animals eating the remains

Princess Calla

Charlie19 wrote: »

'The area was immediately sealed off and an exhaustive examination of the site by gardaí yielded further bones, some of which displayed signs of animal activity'

What does signs of animal activity mean?

I think usually animal teeth marks in the bones.....the bones scattered further than the initial site as in the animal dragged the remains. That type of thing.

hurikane

Happy4all wrote: »

The same paper has another article stating it's unlikely, i.e. older persons and more than 5 years Insitu. But the other headline story will sell more print.

Which article came first? Has the story evolved with new information?

Spanish Eyes

I doubt very much that this poor unfortunate deceased is Tina Satchwell. But we shall see.

Happy4all

hurikane wrote: »

Which article came first? Has the story evolved with new information?

The one saying unlikely is a later one. The early one would have been in the print paper

foxyladyxx

If it was the remains of Tina I would imagine that forensics would have known by now and the area would have been sealed off. . .It is likley some other poor soul. RIP.

Bussywussy

foxyladyxx wrote: »

If it was the remains of Tina I would imagine that forensics would have known by now and the area would have been sealed off. . .It is likley some other poor soul. RIP.

It is sealed off!!! Nope the ID of skeletal remains always takes longer,plus the cops know more than whats in media

foxyladyxx

Bussywussy wrote: »

It is sealed off!!! Nope the ID of skeletal remains always takes longer,plus the cops know more than whats in media

Perhaps. I just think it would have been kept quiet if it was recent but we shall soon see.

Be right back

Whoever it is, may they rest in peace.

TheValeyard

Be right back wrote: »

Whoever it is, may they rest in peace.

And at least a family somewhere will get some closure.

hurikane

Happy4all wrote: »

The one saying unlikely is a later one. The early one would have been in the print paper

I don’t see it, have you got a link?

rubberdungeon

While the skull has been confirmed as that of an adult woman, tests are ongoing to determine that the other bones recovered are those of the same individual.

However, one source indicated all the preliminary signs point towards the woman involved being aged somewhere between 55 and 85 years.


Fragments of disintegrated clothing found at the scene are also consistent with belonging to a much older woman.

The highest profile missing person in Cork is Tina Satchwell from Youghal who was 45 when she vanished without trace on March 20, 2017.

Major searches off both the east Cork coast and in a Castlemartyr woodland failed to reveal any clue of her whereabouts. Her husband, Richard, has maintained she is alive and has pleaded with her to return home.

Gardaí said they are satisfied Tina never left Ireland.

However, preliminary indications are that the remains found in Midleton are those of a much older woman and that they have likely been in situ for longer than five years.

However, detectives believe the bones are more recent, possibly dating to between the last five and 25 years. The bones have now been removed to Cork University Hospital (CUH) for examination by assistant state pathologist Dr Margaret Bolster and a forensic anthropologist.

The skull was examined in detail at CUH on Friday with special focus on the remaining teeth for dental records.

There was no sign of trauma or violence to the skull.

A full list of missing persons from the greater east Cork area over the past 50 years is being compiled.


https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dna-dental-records-key-to-identifying-skeletal-remains-39951601.html

Rows Grower

This report says the deceased was wearing nightclothes so it is probably someone local to the area. Richard was informed of the find by Gardai last Thursday.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6396118/husband-tina-satchwell-gardai-body-found-cork/

gozunda

Rows Grower wrote: »

This report says the deceased was wearing nightclothes so it is probably someone local to the area. Richard was informed of the find by Gardai last Thursday.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6396118/husband-tina-satchwell-gardai-body-found-cork/

The story gets stranger and stranger tbh

twill

gozunda wrote: »

The story gets stranger and stranger tbh

Their being in nightclothes could possibly mean it was an older person with dementia who wandered off and died of exposure. It seems odd that Gardaí don't seem to be immediately aware of anyone who fits the profile, though.

twill

twill wrote: »

Their being in nightclothes could possibly mean it was an older person with dementia who wandered off and died of exposure. It seems odd that Gardaí don't seem to be immediately aware of anyone who fits the profile, though.

If there had been a case of an elderly woman disappearing and never found I'd say we would have heard about it. It would have been headline news for weeks. Unless it's a case from many years ago.

Princess Calla

twill wrote: »

Their being in nightclothes could possibly mean it was an older person with dementia who wandered off and died of exposure. It seems odd that Gardaí don't seem to be immediately aware of anyone who fits the profile, though.

That was my thought too, but then how would she have got buried.

I appreciate over time vegetation will take over, but surely there would have been a missing person search before nature had time to cover her?

It's very odd.

gozunda

inthehat wrote: »

If there had been a case of an elderly woman disappearing and never found I'd say we would have heard about it. It would have been headline news for weeks. Unless it's a case from many years ago.

I reckon it rules out any one walking any distance to the bridge (adjacent to where the remains were found) and jumping off for example. Anyone wandering around in nightclothes would have been noticed I'd imagine. I guess the autopsy should tell more. Do they release such information?

tara73

inthehat wrote: »

If there had been a case of an elderly woman disappearing and never found I'd say we would have heard about it. It would have been headline news for weeks. Unless it's a case from many years ago.

not necessarily I would say. If the person lived in a nursing home, had dementia and was already known for wandering off, didn't had any relatives, I doubt it would have been the big headline for weeks. Surely it would have been mentioned in the papers but big headlines? Not sure.

And if she wandered off at nighttime/evening in darkness, it's possible nobody noticed her. I don't know the area though, how remote it is or if there's any village/town close by.

I hope they can identify her and if there is some family/friends they can finally find peace that she's found and what was going on with her.

gozunda

tara73 wrote: »

not necessarily I would say. If the person lived in a nursing home, had dementia and was already known for wandering off, didn't had any relatives, I doubt it would have been the big headline for weeks. Surely it would have been mentioned in the papers but big headlines? Not sure.

And if she wandered off at nighttime/evening in darkness, it's possible nobody noticed her. I don't know the area though, how remote it is or if there's any village/town close by.

I hope they can identify her and if there is some family/friends they can finally find peace that she's found and what was going on with her.

The Garda missing persons database doesn't through up any matching older person for the Cork region anyway.

road_high

gozunda wrote: »

The Garda missing persons database doesn't through up any matching older person for the Cork region anyway.

I’m puzzled a bit by all this. Nightwear wouldn’t “necessarily” indicate someone’s age.
Surely there must be a fairly obvious local missing person other than Tina Satchwell that would match up fairly quickly with these circumstances? Not convinced from what I’ve heard so far it isn’t her but we will await the forensic outcome

julyjane

May not necessarily be local. I have a relative who works in a particular job and jokes about coming across so many places where "if someone had dumped a body it might never be found" - someone who knew the area could have driven 100 miles to dump the body. Anyway I hope she's identified soon.

Does anyone remember the case of Conor and Sheil@Dwyer? That is still a big mystery and not a million miles away

dubstarr

julyjane wrote: »

May not necessarily be local. I have a relative who works in a particular job and jokes about coming across so many places where "if someone had dumped a body it might never be found" - someone who knew the area could have driven 100 miles to dump the body. Anyway I hope she's identified soon.

Does anyone remember the case of Conor and Sheil@Dwyer? That is still a big mystery and not a million miles away

Thats who i thought of straight away. They had a car so its not impossible.

gozunda

julyjane wrote: »

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Does anyone remember the case of Conor and Sheil@Dwyer? That is still a big mystery and not a million miles away

I think that was in 1991. From Fermoy - the couple (and their car) who disappeared without trace. Too long ago?

Update from the IT today

Gardaí investigating the discovery of a skull in east Cork have sent DNA samples for analysis to match against samples held in the Garda missing persons’ database in a bid to identify the remains.

Gardaí are now satisfied, following an initial postmortem examination by Assistant State Pathologist Dr Margaret Bolster, that the skull belonged to a woman who was not older than 65 when she died.

They believe from discussions with forensic anthropologist Dr Lorraine Buckley of the State Pathologist’s Office that the remains were at the scene where they were found near Midleton for between one to five years

Be right back

julyjane wrote: »

May not necessarily be local. I have a relative who works in a particular job and jokes about coming across so many places where "if someone had dumped a body it might never be found" - someone who knew the area could have driven 100 miles to dump the body. Anyway I hope she's identified soon.

Does anyone remember the case of Conor and Sheil@Dwyer? That is still a big mystery and not a million miles away

Am I right in thinking that they never traced their car either?

julyjane

Neither them nor their car were ever found, and it was a quite unusual car.
Anyway it's very unlikely to be Mrs Dwyer if, according to the latest update, the remains were in situ for 1-5 years. I'm sure if it is Tina she'll be identified soon or definitively ruled out.

dubstarr

julyjane wrote: »

Neither them nor their car were ever found, and it was a quite unusual car.
Anyway it's very unlikely to be Mrs Dwyer if, according to the latest update, the remains were in situ for 1-5 years. I'm sure if it is Tina she'll be identified soon or definitively ruled out.

They probably know,but are waiting for the go ahead to release a name.

Rows Grower

julyjane wrote: »

Neither them nor their car were ever found, and it was a quite unusual car.
Anyway it's very unlikely to be Mrs Dwyer if, according to the latest update, the remains were in situ for 1-5 years. I'm sure if it is Tina she'll be identified soon or definitively ruled out.

Where did you read that do you mind me asking?

TheQuietBeatle

My gut says it's Tina, maybe a bit of tactics going on here from the Gardai. It's highly unlikely another person went missing in last 5 years in this specific area and wasn't in the media spotlight. What is the highest profile missing person case even outside Cork for this age group? I don't recall any.

Unless it was a person who was always at home and people wouldn't notice they went missing. It's a stretch though.

punchdrunk

If it’s her, then the Gardai might be watching a person of interest to see if their behaviour changes, do they visit a remote location, do they try to run etc...

They might also be buying themselves more time to shore up the case

abitofcheese

Rows Grower wrote: »

Where did you read that do you mind me asking?

Bottom paragraph:

Update from the IT today

Quote:
Gardaí investigating the discovery of a skull in east Cork have sent DNA samples for analysis to match against samples held in the Garda missing persons’ database in a bid to identify the remains.

Gardaí are now satisfied, following an initial postmortem examination by Assistant State Pathologist Dr Margaret Bolster, that the skull belonged to a woman who was not older than 65 when she died.

They believe from discussions with forensic anthropologist Dr Lorraine Buckley of the State Pathologist’s Office that the remains were at the scene where they were found near Midleton for between one to five years

NewMan1982

Seems a bit strange the way the info released is changing slightly

abitofcheese

Without naming names if the bottom of this paragraph is accurate I can only think of one known person missing in this general area in that time frame. Being from Midleton myself and now living in Youghal I honestly can not think of anyone else. Of course there is the option that the deceased died elsewhere and was placed here. At first I thought maybe it could have been on of the Missing ladies from the Leinster triangle but the age profile doesn’t match I don’t think. Either way I hope some family gets some peace / justice whatever the case may be. RIP

abitofcheese

abitofcheese wrote: »

Without naming names if the bottom of this paragraph is accurate I can only think of one known person missing in this general area in that time frame. Being from Midleton myself and now living in Youghal I honestly can not think of anyone else. Of course there is the option that the deceased died elsewhere and was placed here. At first I thought maybe it could have been on of the Missing ladies from the Leinster triangle but the age profile doesn’t match I don’t think. Either way I hope some family gets some peace / justice whatever the case may be. RIP

Apologies, the bottom paragraph in this article

Update from the IT today

Quote:
Gardaí investigating the discovery of a skull in east Cork have sent DNA samples for analysis to match against samples held in the Garda missing persons’ database in a bid to identify the remains.

Gardaí are now satisfied, following an initial postmortem examination by Assistant State Pathologist Dr Margaret Bolster, that the skull belonged to a woman who was not older than 65 when she died.

They believe from discussions with forensic anthropologist Dr Lorraine Buckley of the State Pathologist’s Office that the remains were at the scene where they were found near Midleton for between one to five years

abitofcheese

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Seems a bit strange the way the info released is changing slightly

Agreed. The info is changing so much it is hard to know what to think.

road_high

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Seems a bit strange the way the info released is changing slightly

It is. First we were told it was an “older woman”- I dunno about anyone else, but 65 or under I don’t consider elderly.
Thought they’d said the timeframe wasn’t as recent - now they’re saying 1-5 years. Both scenarios point more in the direction of it could be Tina again

Rows Grower

abitofcheese wrote: »

Agreed. The info is changing so much it is hard to know what to think.

I'm sure whoever is in charge of releasing the information to the press has their reasons for the manner in which it is being done.

I wish the investigating Gardai the very best of luck in solving this case.

road_high

Not to be too morbid but it sounds like they have a lot of go on from what they’ve found- almost full skeletal remains, some clothing and jewellery- also sounds like she was buried in a 1 m mound- not just dumped as I original thought. Probably means more is preserved at this stage. I’d say they know at this stage-
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda%25C3%25AD-send-samples-from-skull-found-in-cork-for-dna-analysis-1.4455750%3fmode=amp

Happy4all

twill wrote: »

Their being in nightclothes could possibly mean it was an older person with dementia who wandered off and died of exposure. It seems odd that Gardaí don't seem to be immediately aware of anyone who fits the profile, though.

Or someone murdered in bed, maybe while sleeping, and then dumped at the spot where remains found.

gozunda

I saw a claim on social media earlier that Tina's listing had been removed from the Gardai Missisng Persons list.

Its still there.

https://www.garda.ie/en/crime-prevention/crimecall-on-rte/crimecall-episodes/2017/june-26/missing-person-tina-satchwell-last-seen-on-the-20-3-17.html

Unusually It doesn't detail what she was reported to be wearing on the day she disappeared.

Anyone know if that was detailed in any of the interviews?

Rows Grower

gozunda wrote: »

I saw a claim on social media earlier that Tina's listing had been removed from the Gardai Missisng Persons list.

Its still there.

https://www.garda.ie/en/crime-prevention/crimecall-on-rte/crimecall-episodes/2017/june-26/missing-person-tina-satchwell-last-seen-on-the-20-3-17.html

Unusually It doesn't detail what she was reported to be wearing on the day she disappeared.

Anyone know if that was detailed in any of the interviews?

Don't think Richard ever said, all he remembers is she came downstairs, he made her some tea and toast and then he went to Dungarvan for some fish at Tina's request and when he got back Tina was missing.

eviltwin

Did anyone independently see Tina the day she went missing?

freshpopcorn

eviltwin wrote: »

Did anyone independently see Tina the day she went missing?

No, I think she was last seen at the car boot sale. The day before.

TheW1zard

gozunda wrote: »

I saw a claim on social media earlier that Tina's listing had been removed from the Gardai Missisng Persons list.

Its still there.

https://www.garda.ie/en/crime-prevention/crimecall-on-rte/crimecall-episodes/2017/june-26/missing-person-tina-satchwell-last-seen-on-the-20-3-17.html

Unusually It doesn't detail what she was reported to be wearing on the day she disappeared.

Anyone know if that was detailed in any of the interviews?

Shes gone off the actual list, thats a crimecall page.
hmmmmm
https://www.garda.ie/en/missing-persons/?pageNumber=1

Glebee

TheW1zard wrote: »

Shes gone off the actual list, thats a crimecall page.
hmmmmm
https://www.garda.ie/en/missing-persons/?pageNumber=1

Christ that site makes grim reading..:( Massive amount of foreign nationals on it. Have they all just gone home??