Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

quarryman

combat14 wrote: »

what lost time?!

vast majority of schools are live streaming classes all during lock down

This is completely untrue.

From a sample size of 36 teachers and classes not 1 I know is doing live streaming.

Crocodile Booze

Locotastic wrote: »

Yes I know that's exactly my point, it is a fact that there are children missing out.

It's a pandemic. Do you not get that?

Stop playing the blame game. Open your eyes and get over your hatred of teachers.

Scoondal

Home schooling is a lot of work. I am starting to get into it with routines and better support from schools than last April to June.
I started getting PUP on 5 January. I am treating that as my wage for home schooling. It makes things seem better.
My sister has been a home schooler for 4 years with 4 children and has loads of advice and motivation to be directly involved in your own children's education.

Locotastic

Crocodile Booze wrote: »

It's a pandemic. Do you not get that?

Stop playing the blame game. Open your eyes and get over your hatred of teachers.

Who exactly am I blaming for what? I simply questioned a claim that a poster made.

My eyes are open, I don't have the tunnel vision required to only see things that effect me personally and thankfully I'm able to see the bigger picture.

I don't hate teachers so don't know where you got that idea from. Why would anyone "hate" a profession in general, doesn't really make sense to me.

History Queen

billy_beckham wrote: »

I can only go by what I see in my house....what is being done is not the same quality or quantity of what would be covered if they were in school. Do the teachers on here really think that live streaming equals what would get done in a classroom??

Time may not be lost, but education and development is suffering...

There are so many variables. People are very quick to judge the value of learning based on how many live classes students are getting. I'm speaking purely from a PP point of view but last year for example all my classes ended up where I had planned by the end of the year except my second year history group who were one chapter behind, now they are the first cohort of a new course, so it was probably more of an issue with my pacing than the pandemic. I did no live classes. (Did a handful of check ins but didn't teach live). The maths department in my school is doing mostly lives this time around as that works for them.

I do feel some children are probably not getting the best possible education. That would unfortunately also be the case if schools were open.

Scoondal

With home schooling, I have found that my son is seriously behind in a subject. This was not communicated to me by his teachers. I am talking about some very basic parts of a primary school subject that should have been seen 2 or 3 years ago.

billy_beckham

History Queen wrote: »

last year for example all my classes ended up where I had planned by the end of the year

Last year ended quite abruptly, they all were on track in March??

History Queen wrote: »

I do feel some children are probably not getting the best possible education. That would unfortunately also be the case if schools were open.

Not sure I get what you are saying here...

km79

Scoondal wrote: »

With home schooling, I have found that my son is seriously behind in a subject. This was not communicated to me by his teachers. I am talking about some very basic parts of a primary school subject that should have been seen 2 or 3 years ago.

Two or three years ago?
We are gone on a right tangent now

beggars_bush

Scoondal wrote: »

With home schooling, I have found that my son is seriously behind in a subject. This was not communicated to me by his teachers. I am talking about some very basic parts of a primary school subject that should have been seen 2 or 3 years ago.

Behind? What does that mean at primary level?

History Queen

billy_beckham wrote: »

Last year ended quite abruptly, they all were on track in March??



Not sure I get what you are saying here...

I don't know what you mean by the first question? Do you mean were my second years on track at that stage? We had just started a new chapter when the schools were closed so we were on the right part of the course but I was probably a week or so behind at that point.

What I meant by my last statement re students missing out, is that many people are unaware that students miss out, day in day out, in our education system for lots and lots of different reasons. The schools reopening will not change that.

wirelessdude01

Scoondal wrote: »

With home schooling, I have found that my son is seriously behind in a subject. This was not communicated to me by his teachers. I am talking about some very basic parts of a primary school subject that should have been seen 2 or 3 years ago.

Is it a case of a maths concept that never clicked with him properly?

Locotastic

beggars_bush wrote: »

Behind? What does that mean at primary level?

Reading, writing, maths, comprehension.

I hope if you're a teacher you'll have heard of STen.

Primary school tests used to measure the child's level in reading and maths. They compare children’s score with other children in the same class or age level.

I presume the poster is concerned and has noticed that their child might not be at the level they think they should be at in one of the above.

vid36

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

So

Monday 22nd 1st day after midterm
3 full weeks

March 17th Paddys day 4 day week

then

1 week teaching

Easter Holidays 2 week off

April 12th 1st day of last term

3 weeks full teaching

May bank holiday long weekend 3/4 day week depending if schools are taking extra day

4 full weeks til summer holidays

not exactly a long stretch for the LC to get orals, projects and practicals done all assuming LC back full time on the 22nd Feb( snowballs chance!!)

The traditional leaving is not happening. Maybe a modified version in the summer with students having the option of calculated grades.

Locotastic

Scoondal wrote: »

With home schooling, I have found that my son is seriously behind in a subject. This was not communicated to me by his teachers. I am talking about some very basic parts of a primary school subject that should have been seen 2 or 3 years ago.

I'd contact the teacher to see if this is something that they've also noticed (it could be just the change in learning environment).

billy_beckham

History Queen wrote: »

I don't know what you mean by the first question? Do you mean were my second years on track at that stage? We had just started a new chapter when the schools were closed so we were on the right part of the course but I was probably a week or so behind at that point.

What I meant by my last statement re students missing out, is that many people are unaware that students miss out, day in day out, in our education system for lots and lots of different reasons. The schools reopening will not change that.

You said that your class were on track by the end of the year, but the year ended in mid March. Had you the whole year covered by then?

Whatever is missed day in day out while schools are open, much, much more is missed with on line schooling IMHO

History Queen

billy_beckham wrote: »

You said that your class were on track by the end of the year, but the year ended in mid March. Had you the whole year covered by then?

Whatever is missed day in day out while schools are open, much, much more is missed with on line schooling IMHO

The year didn't end mid march. We stayed teaching until the end of May.

ruwithme

Crocodile Booze wrote: »

Everybody is "missing out" on lots of things. It's a global emergency.

I'm a contractor. I'm "missing out". My employees are "missing out".

It's a pandemic.

Your on the wrong thread with that whinge

ruwithme

combat14 wrote: »

what lost time?!

vast majority of schools are live streaming classes all during lock down

If that's what you call getting a education,i hope your not &never will have any position of authority in a education setting.

ruwithme

History Queen wrote: »

The year didn't end mid march. We stayed teaching until the end of May.

Please stop with such nonsense & work towards getting schools reopened

Necro

ruwithme wrote: »

Your on the wrong thread with that whinge

ruwithme wrote: »

If that's what you call getting a education,i hope your not &never will have any position of authority in a education setting.

ruwithme wrote: »

Please stop with such nonsense & work towards getting schools reopened

Mod:

Please offer some more constructive posting or don't post in this thread. Also, you are not a mod of the Covid-19 forum last I checked, so you don't get to advise someone whether they are in the correct thread or not

byhookorbycrook

Locotastic wrote: »

Reading, writing, maths, comprehension.

I hope if you're a teacher you'll have heard of STen.

Primary school tests used to measure the child's level in reading and maths. They compare children’s score with other children in the same class or age level.

I presume the poster is concerned and has noticed that their child might not be at the level they think they should be at in one of the above.

STen scores are a picture of a child’s attainment on one particular day . They are not meant as a definition of a child’s progression.

wirelessdude01

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

STen scores are a picture of a child’s attainment on one particular day . They are not meant as a definition of a child’s progression.

I send out a letter each year to my parents emphasising that exact message.

BonsaiKitten

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I send out a letter each year to my parents emphasising that exact message.

Oh every year we do the same. And every year, you have a few panicking because their child got a 7 last year and a 6 this year. Very frustrating to deal with.

wirelessdude01

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Oh every year we do the same. And every year, you have a few panicking because their child got a 7 last year and a 6 this year. Very frustrating to deal with.

Won't listen that it isn't the end of the world.

A few years ago I had a great kid, very intelligent. Night before the Micra, he had a final with his soccer team. Went to penalties. Went through the standard penalties and then sudden death. He missed his and the team lost. Totally messed up the Micra because he couldn't concentrate. Sten didn't reflect him but it stood. Parents knew well but others aren't as reasonable.

BonsaiKitten

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Won't listen that it isn't the end of the world.

A few years ago I had a great kid, very intelligent. Night before the Micra, he had a final with his soccer team. Went to penalties. Went through the standard penalties and then sudden death. He missed his and the team lost. Totally messed up the Micra because he couldn't concentrate. Sten didn't reflect him but it stood. Parents knew well but others aren't as reasonable.

Sometimes you get the opposite happening too. I had a kid go from years of high 6s (which was in line with his achievement) to a 9! I had to call in the parents and kindly say "so you might be delighted about the number on the report but don't expect to see it again next year"...and lo and behold, the next year he was back to the 6. As you say, the 9 didn't reflect him but it stood.

Stateofyou

billy_beckham wrote: »

I can only go by what I see in my house....what is being done is not the same quality or quantity of what would be covered if they were in school. Do the teachers on here really think that live streaming equals what would get done in a classroom??

Time may not be lost, but education and development is suffering...

Everyone is suffering. It's a pandemic, and it's the fault of the virus that everyone is suffering, not teachers.

After that, it's the fault of the government and other leaders who could have done better, and should have, imo.

TTLF

km79 wrote: »

I don’t see mocks going ahead in a lot of schools

As it stands right now I know my school is doing them at least, although it depends when we return and such. But if we do, then I won't be "back in class" until March 8th. (going off the 22nd return date) since my mocks are scheduled for Feb 22nd-5th March.

appledrop

The positively rate in creches from Covid 19 testing now stands at 10% for last 2 weeks.

Before this since August average was 5%.

Yes kids are in close contact in creche, but so are kids in primary school. Also any creches that are back have seriously reduced numbers. Your talking about 4 or 5 max in a room.

Imagine if the schools went back in Jan especially primary schools with 28 kids in one class!

Schools are safe are they Norma?

Yes because they are closed!

jrosen

I really wish a decision would be made on exams sooner rather than later.
I know on the larger scale of things JC is irrelevant but the gossip amongst the kids that it’s going to be cancelled is on another level. The few parents I know well are all in the same boat trying to keep their kids motivated and focused.

km79

Front page of examiner tomorrow has details of the “hybrid leaving cert”
3 options on the table with final decision to be made later in week
1. Calculated grade and written papers
2. Calculated grades only
3. More open access to college

Option 1 is the “lead option “

I am sure it will be implemented flawlessly......