Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

History Queen

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Ah now, hold on there. Some teachers on this very thread claiming similar about teachers working hard. Why are you not questioning those "stats"?

I agree completely that not every teacher is doing their best and have urged parents to contact schools if need be. I however in this instance was asking for stats to try show said poster what a sweeping statement was and why their statements were such. Don't know why you take issue with that?

khalessi

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Ah now, hold on there. Some teachers on this very thread claiming similar about teachers working hard. Why are you not questioning those "stats"?

Well lets put it this way the overwhelming amount of comments on this lockdown is about how better prepared the teachers are and how better the teaching is, the minority are from people who as they go on actually are not commenting on teaching but on unions and use their posts as a disgues to slag oof teachers similar to poster who was threadbanned today

teachinggal123

History Queen wrote: »

I agree completely that not every teacher is doing their best and have urged parents to contact schools if need be. I however in this instance was asking for stats to try show said poster what a sweeping statement was and why their statements were such. Don't know why you take issue with that?

No issue. Just questioning the double standards.

History Queen

teachinggal123 wrote: »

No issue. Just questioning the double standards.

Seriously.

giveitholly

Wouldn't this be great and at least primary school children could get back to school

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1355497536983732232?s=19

khalessi

giveitholly wrote: »

Woul

dn't this be great and at least primary school children could get back to school

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1355497536983732232?s=19

Depends on which schools you look at

https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/BR569e/ny-rapport-norges-stoerste-skoleutbrudd-kan-tyde-paa-at-barn-smitter-me

It was Norway's biggest school outbreak. Infection hunters believe the outbreak provides new insight into the role of children in the spread of infection.
40 cases could be traced to the school. The municipal superintendent in Lillestrøm believes that the outbreak at Sagdalen school questions what we know about the role of children in the spread of infection.

teachinggal123

khalessi wrote: »

Well lets put it this way the overwhelming amount of comments on this lockdown is about how better prepared the teachers are and how better the teaching is, the minority are from people who as they go on actually are not commenting on teaching but on unions and use their posts as a disgues to slag oof teachers similar to poster who was threadbanned today

I agree that teachers *in general* are doing far better this time around. But ... there are still some teachers in my school doing next to nothing. I also know of other schools where there are teachers doing almost nothing. And I have personal experience of nephews/nieces in primary still getting one email a week with no follow up, correction, or online teaching of any sort. And yes, complaints have been made to the school but nothing looks like changing.

I've been saying for almost a year now that we teachers do ourselves no favours by denying this is happening and then defending these teachers. Every teacher on boards knows nothing will happen to these teachers and they will not be sanctioned in any way. But we still deny and defend. (Watch how I'll probably get attacked by other teachers for daring to say this).

And for those wondering ... I have been trying my absolute best to teach online using a variety of tools. I'm probably working twice my normal hours with no support whatsoever from the school of the DES.

teachinggal123

History Queen wrote: »

Seriously.

I'm happy to let those reading this judge who has the bigger issue.

History Queen

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I agree that teachers *in general* are doing far better this time around. But ... there are still some teachers in my school doing next to nothing. I also know of other schools where there are teachers doing almost nothing. And I have personal experience of nephews/nieces in primary still getting one email a week with no follow up, correction, or online teaching of any sort. And yes, complaints have been made to the school but nothing looks like changing.

I've been saying for almost a year now that we teachers do ourselves no favours by denying this is happening and then defending these teachers. Every teacher on boards knows nothing will happen to these teachers and they will not be sanctioned in any way. But we still deny and defend. (Watch how I'll probably get attacked by other teachers for daring to say this).

And for those wondering ... I have been trying my absolute best to teach online using a variety of tools. I'm probably working twice my normal hours with no support whatsoever from the school of the DES.

But who is denying that this is happening? People disagreeing with you does not equal an attack as you've been told before.

History Queen

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I'm happy to let those reading this judge who has the bigger issue.

I'm not happy to have you attempt to dictate who I should reply to or to imply that I'm a hypocrite.

Locotastic

giveitholly wrote: »

Wouldn't this be great and at least primary school children could get back to school

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1355497536983732232?s=19

Good to see some proper evidence, minimal child-to-child and child-to-adult transmission in primary schools.

Hopefully further studies will confirm this.

teachinggal123

History Queen wrote: »

I'm not happy to have you attempt to dictate who I should reply to or to imply that I'm a hypocrite.

I believe it is hypocritical to ask a poster for "stats" to support a claim, whilst ignoring others making alternative claims because it suits a particular agenda.

But maybe you have a different understanding of the work "hypocrite".

History Queen

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I believe it is hypocritical to ask a poster for "stats" to support a claim, whilst ignoring others making alternative claims because it suits a particular agenda.

But maybe you have a different understanding of the work "hypocrite".

Priceless. I'm out.

teachinggal123

History Queen wrote: »

But who is denying that this is happening? People disagreeing with you does not equal an attack as you've been told before.

Well, that's me told again so!

khalessi

In case anyone is unsure

Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles.


I am sure we can all recognise examples of this on here

Crocodile Booze

Cases not dropping as quick as hoped. Schools won't be opening with these numbers no matter how much irrational whining that goes on here by some.

Nobodies fault really, parents or teachers.

Some people forget it's a once in a generation pandemic and instead like to play the blame game.

teachinggal123

khalessi wrote: »

In case anyone is unsure

Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles.

I am sure we can all recognise examples of this on here

Thank you! That is exactly what I've been saying about some of the behaviour on here.

khalessi

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Thank you! That is exactly what I've been saying about some of the behaviour on here.

Oh believe me we have all seen examples of the behaviour on here

Locotastic

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I believe it is hypocritical to ask a poster for "stats" to support a claim, whilst ignoring others making alternative claims because it suits a particular agenda.

But maybe you have a different understanding of the work "hypocrite".

It's the same approach if any evidence is contrary to the narrative, it will be totally dismissed and the wagons will be circled.

Posters with an opposing opinion are run out of the thread or end up threadbanned themselves.

This thread seems to be an echo chamber for hive minds.

Deeec

Complaining to the school is just a waste of time and effort. I have 2 kids in primary the same school. My youngest child's teacher is doing an excellent job.
My oldest girls teacher started off great 2 weeks ago doing video tutorials. She sent a massage at the beginning of this week that she will no longer be doing videos just sending a short list of work through dojo once a day. Every parent of kids in the class complained we were told that the teacher is finding the ( very short) videos too stressful and won't be doing anymore. She is going to do a short social zoom once per week which involves no teaching. She also sent a message yesterday not to upload the children's work anymore as she is just going to post a picture of the answers on dojo. Basically what we were told by principle was the list of work sent on dojo meets the DES description of remote learning. This in our opinion is not teaching in any way. It is ridiculous at this stage that we still have huge differences in how each class is experiencing remote learning. The sad thing is that this work won't be covered again. Its extremely lucky that each child in this class has good parents who will teach as best they can. I would hope that every other hardworking teacher in the school takes issue with this teacher.

downthemiddle

Locotastic wrote: »

Good to see some proper evidence, minimal child-to-child and child-to-adult transmission in primary schools.

Hopefully further studies will confirm this.

Locotastic wrote: »

They started back testing them yesterday.

Plenty of close contacts have been tested over the past few weeks but officially all contacts being tested again as of yesterday.

downthemiddle wrote: »

When you say plenty how many do you mean?
Where are these figures to be found?

You clearly missed this from earlier. I look forward to your answers.

teachinggal123

Deeec wrote: »

Complaining to the school is just a waste of time and effort. I have 2 kids in primary the same school. My youngest child's teacher is doing an excellent job.
My oldest girls teacher started off great 2 weeks ago doing video tutorials. She sent a massage at the beginning of this week that she will no longer be doing videos just sending a short list of work through dojo once a day. Every parent of kids in the class complained we were told that the teacher is finding the ( very short) videos too stressful and won't be doing anymore. She is going to do a short social zoom once per week which involves no teaching. She also sent a message yesterday not to upload the children's work anymore as she is just going to post a picture of the answers on dojo. Basically what we were told by principle was the list of work sent on dojo meets the DES description of remote learning. This in our opinion is not teaching in any way. It is ridiculous at this stage that we still have huge differences in how each class is experiencing remote learning. The sad thing is that this work won't be covered again. Its extremely lucky that each child in this class has good parents who will teach as best they can. I would hope that every other hardworking teacher in the school takes issue with this teacher.

I would be very interested to hear what the (usually very vocal) teachers on this thread think of this?

Teachers, is this acceptable? Should this teacher be sanctioned in any way?

km79

Case numbers seem to have stabilized around the mid 1000 mark
Huge number of deaths again though
Not sure where we are going now .......

Ray Donovan

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I would be very interested to hear what the (usually very vocal) teachers on this thread think of this?

Teachers, is this acceptable? Should this teacher be sanctioned in any way?

Quick story - my wife is also a teacher. Woman in her school was on maternity up to end of Christmas. Organised to go on unpaid leave for rest of year. So sub who got her maternity was given he class until end of year. The day the schools were informed they wouldn’t be open she rang the principal looking to come back to work. Thankfully the principal told her to fcuk off.

One year the same woman’s elderly father had to come into her house in March and take down her Christmas tree!!!

There’s wasters in every job.

helpful

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I would be very interested to hear what the (usually very vocal) teachers on this thread think of this?

Teachers, is this acceptable? Should this teacher be sanctioned in any way?

I would say that there could be other things going on for that particular teacher. Sounds like they had no problem at the start and it’s only the last week where things have collapsed. I would be interested to see if things improve again if this heads into March. I would cut everyone a bit of slack especially if they were engaged originally. Maybe they or a loved one has become ill with covid or something? Maybe doing videos just was not working for them in regards to childcare or internet connection? Not making excuses but jumping to sanctions with only half the story doesn’t seem like the responsible thing to do.
In this scenario I would say we’re lucky to have 2 of each grade so if something was to happen to me the other teacher could take over and do both classes for a few days? I’m not sure what the procedure is with subs at the moment? I imagine it’s hard to find a sub willing and capable of taking a class online.
If this didn’t improve however and there are serious concerns I would say contact the BOM but hopefully the teacher is able to resume their duties the way they were the first two weeks.

We could also chop off their head which I’m sure would make you much happier

khalessi

Deeec wrote: »

Complaining to the school is just a waste of time and effort. I have 2 kids in primary the same school. My youngest child's teacher is doing an excellent job.

My oldest girls teacher started off great 2 weeks ago doing video tutorials. She sent a massage at the beginning of this week that she will no longer be doing videos just sending a short list of work through dojo once a day.

Every parent of kids in the class complained we were told that the teacher is finding the ( very short) videos too stressful and won't be doing anymore. She is going to do a short social zoom once per week which involves no teaching.

She also sent a message yesterday not to upload the children's work anymore as she is just going to post a picture of the answers on dojo. Basically what we were told by principle was the list of work sent on dojo meets the DES description of remote learning.

This in our opinion is not teaching in any way. It is ridiculous at this stage that we still have huge differences in how each class is experiencing remote learning. The sad thing is that this work won't be covered again. Its extremely lucky that each child in this class has good parents who will teach as best they can. I would hope that every other hardworking teacher in the school takes issue with this teacher.

Can I ask what class they are.

It is obvious that you have all spoke to the principal who would also look a the planning prep and correction carried out by this teacher. Some people are not cut out for teaching on Zoom, it is not a stop gap for school. I do think you should continue to upload the work regardless of whether answers are provided as he/she needs to see it.

I have to do videos next week and I am also dealing with a death in the family and a funeral and trying to catch up on my kids work and the days are long enough as it is.

Teachers are not robots and a little bit of empathy on this thread and irl would not go amiss.

Has anyone suggested the teacher attach videos to teach the methodologies? There are plenty available from CJ Fallon, YouTube, Khan Academy to name a few.

No one know what stress the teacher is under.

TheValeyard

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I believe it is hypocritical to ask a poster for "stats" to support a claim, whilst ignoring others making alternative claims because it suits a particular agenda.

But maybe you have a different understanding of the work "hypocrite".

teachinggal123

helpful wrote: »

We could also chop off their head which I’m sure would make you much happier

Not at all. Life happens to all of us.

But there are teachers I personally I know who are doing as little as possible. They are doing this because they can get away with it and they know the unions will tacitly support them.

jrosen

I do think overall there is a big improvement on last time. It’s unfortunate to see some students getting the bare minimum. It’s not really ok, but I doubt anything will be done. The inconsistency in some schools really is mind boggling. I would have thought a school principal would have wanted all students to have the same supports and on line interactions. A collaborative approach in a school should not be that difficult to arrange.

We started of really well. Work load has reduced. Primary child less than an hour a day all this week. Secondary is predominantly revision work. Very little new material covered this week. At this stage I’ve mentally written of this school year. My kids are bright and won’t suffer academically but I believe many children will.

wirelessdude01

Deeec wrote: »

Complaining to the school is just a waste of time and effort. I have 2 kids in primary the same school. My youngest child's teacher is doing an excellent job.
My oldest girls teacher started off great 2 weeks ago doing video tutorials. She sent a massage at the beginning of this week that she will no longer be doing videos just sending a short list of work through dojo once a day. Every parent of kids in the class complained we were told that the teacher is finding the ( very short) videos too stressful and won't be doing anymore. She is going to do a short social zoom once per week which involves no teaching. She also sent a message yesterday not to upload the children's work anymore as she is just going to post a picture of the answers on dojo. Basically what we were told by principle was the list of work sent on dojo meets the DES description of remote learning. This in our opinion is not teaching in any way. It is ridiculous at this stage that we still have huge differences in how each class is experiencing remote learning. The sad thing is that this work won't be covered again. Its extremely lucky that each child in this class has good parents who will teach as best they can. I would hope that every other hardworking teacher in the school takes issue with this teacher.

Well to me it would appear that something has either happened in the teachers home, family or life to cause such a row back. They obviously started with great intentions but it would appear that their circumstances have changed. Maybe cut them some slack and see if it improves over the coming week.

As regards differing standards from teachers, this is the issue when the department doesn't do their job and create a centralised framework so that there is a somewhat uniform approach.

What you have described above isn't ideal but I would be inclined if possible to think beyond what is occurring and ask why it has changed?