Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

History Queen

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Ha, discovery learning for 6 and 8 year olds....jesus I've heard it all.

Are you honestly telling me that the daily workload assigned which replicates the homework they would get after a normal day at school constitutes teaching? Is this really the stance been taken.

As for capitals, it's an easy way to illustrate a point without tone or the need to bold,been used for decades on forums.

As for sweeping contradictions, I'd like you to highlight these. I've said teachers are issuing and correcting work. I've always said the teaching side and understanding the concepts is not forthcoming and left to the parents.

Teachers have the ability and the means to sit in Zoom and present to the class via PPT but that would actually involve doing some work.

But yes, keep harping on about safety and not getting back when the statistics released by the CSO clearly illustrate the risk is non existent within the classroom.

If you're interested in discovery learning in primaty schools this is a good read.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0710073569/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_GF5WE5G8GV7WJ61Z0FDA

As regards sweeping statements, heres sn exampke of one. "Teachers have the ability and the means to sit in Zoom and present to the class via PPT but that would actually involve doing some work."

As regards contradictions you both said teachers were doing no work and complaing about the work they were doing.

wirelessdude01

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I would expect the zoom calle to last in accordance with how the concepts for the work being distributed require. If its verbs and that takes 10 minutes so be it, if its multiplication and tha takes 15 mins so he it. So the majority should suffer because of the minority. If the children dont show up that's on the parents just like it is when parents dont send their kids to school.

Was wondering when the me Fein attitude would appear.

Again have you contacted the teacher to convey that this is what you would like to see? Ever consider that perhaps the feedback they have got is that other households are delighted with how things are and have informed the teacher of same?

History Queen

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Being completely honest I would be afraid of the repercussions for my child if I complained. A few of us complained about the primary school teacher last year alright.

Repercussions for your child? In what way? We often get parents ringing or emailing our school looking for guidance or having questions or complaining. Non issue. Parents are obviously going to advocate for their own children. No problem at all with that, they're not always right but no one minds them raising issues, it's the ones who don't care about their children that we take issue with.

History Queen

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I would like to see the teachers teach the class its that simple. Is it really that hard to present over zoom,english math and Irish? Core subjects, and then issue the work/homework allowing the children to have knowledge of the concepts rather than letting that part fall on the parents?

So the problem is you only equate teaching with live zoom sessions?

sReq | uTeK

History Queen wrote: »

If you're interested in discovery learning in primaty schools this is a good read.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0710073569/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_GF5WE5G8GV7WJ61Z0FDA

As regards sweeping statements, heres sn exampke of one. "Teachers have the ability and the means to sit in Zoom and present to the class via PPT but that would actually involve doing some work."

As regards contradictions you both said teachers were doing no work and complaing about the work they were doing.

I am not interested in discovery learning. I would be if it was being used as part of the curriculum today but it is not, if you want to introduce a new way of teaching feel free to reach out to the department. Its not a burden that parents should take up because most teachers can't be bothered doing the job they are still.being paid for. Teachers are being paid to teach, they're "for the most part" not teaching but churning out school work expecting parents, not qualified in the methods to do the conceptual teaching.

Stateofyou

History Queen wrote: »

Repercussions for your child? In what way? We often get parents ringing or emailing our school looking for guidance or having questions or complaining. Non issue. Paremts are obviously going to advocate flr their own children. No problem at all with that, they're not always right but no one minds them raising issues, it's the ones who don't care about their children that we take issue with.

Exactly, and that has been my/our experience as parents. We haven't needed to contact a teacher directly very often, but every time we have it was taken on board and worked through. Even if the teacher wasn't receptive, there's an escalation path.

That comment sounds like a cop out.

wirelessdude01

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I am not interested in discovery learning. I would be if it was being used as part of the curriculum today but it is not, if you want to introduce a new way of teaching feel free to reach out to the department. Its not a burden that parents should take up because most teachers can't be bothered doing the job they are still.being paid for. Teachers are being paid to teach, they're "for the most part" not teaching but churning out school work expecting parents, not qualified in the methods to do the conceptual teaching.

And there is that sweeping generalisation again.

History Queen

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I am not interested in discovery learning. I would be if it was being used as part of the curriculum today but it is not, if you want to introduce a new way of teaching feel free to reach out to the department. Its not a burden that parents should take up because most teachers can't be bothered doing the job they are still.being paid for. Teachers are being paid to teach, they're "for the most part" not teaching but churning out school work expecting parents, not qualified in the methods to do the conceptual teaching.

Discovery learning is used. Again if you have an issue with what is being provided by your school you should contact them. How do you know "most teachers can't be bothered"? Quite a fan of the sweeping statement and generalisations.

wirelessdude01

Stateofyou wrote: »

That comment sounds like a cop out.

It doesn't just sound like one, it is one.

Stateofyou

My kids' teachers are teaching new material and uploading short videos for maths and Irish. A range of options and suggestions have even been given to suit each household's specific situation. I can't really see an improvement here.

Well, maybe if the National Broadband Plan were to be prioritised and devices purchased and loaned out to those who need them but pipe dreams and government and all that...

wirelessdude01

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I am not interested in discovery learning. I would be if it was being used as part of the curriculum today but it is not, if you want to introduce a new way of teaching feel free to reach out to the department. Its not a burden that parents should take up because most teachers can't be bothered doing the job they are still.being paid for. Teachers are being paid to teach, they're "for the most part" not teaching but churning out school work expecting parents, not qualified in the methods to do the conceptual teaching.

Discovery learning is new ehh. It happens every single day, in and out of school. What do you think life actually is, it's one long period of discovery learning.

downthemiddle

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I am not interested in discovery learning. I would be if it was being used as part of the curriculum today but it is not, if you want to introduce a new way of teaching feel free to reach out to the department.

The DES would be surprised to find a school where discovery learning does not take place. Sometimes it is better to be equipped with the facts before making generalisations.

Stateofyou

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I am not interested in discovery learning. I would be if it was being used as part of the curriculum today but it is not, if you want to introduce a new way of teaching feel free to reach out to the department. Its not a burden that parents should take up because most teachers can't be bothered doing the job they are still.being paid for. Teachers are being paid to teach, they're "for the most part" not teaching but churning out school work expecting parents, not qualified in the methods to do the conceptual teaching.

How many times does it need to be asked/said: are you contacting their teachers and school with your complaints and if not, you need to stop with the generalisations here and do just that.

downthemiddle

Locotastic wrote: »

They started back testing them yesterday.

Plenty of close contacts have been tested over the past few weeks but officially all contacts being tested again as of yesterday.

When you say plenty how many do you mean?
Where are these figures to be found?

sReq | uTeK

History Queen wrote: »

So the problem is you only equate teaching with live zoom sessions?

More fallacies, and a conclusion I never stated. But good attempt at shifting the argument. I'll engage just for the fun of it.

I absolutely do not equate teaching with zoom calls, but what I described would be beneficial to that of the current situation, and would improve the situation. Allbeit not solving the issues.

Do you equate teaching to issuing and correcting work with no context or teachings of the work given?

Right now I'm.oretty sure a primary school teacher must be the most sought after job in Ireland.

Wake up. Issue maths, irish, English and a few more pieces if the curriculum. Dont worry about telling the kids the reasoning behind the work or the means of doing it correctly, just correct it and throw a thumbs up.

History Queen

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

More fallacies, and a conclusion I never stated. But good attempt at shifting the argument. I'll engage just for the fun of it.

I absolutely do not equate teaching with zoom calls, but what I described would be beneficial to that of the current situation, and would improve the situation. Allbeit not solving the issues.

Do you equate teaching to issuing and correcting work with no context or teachings of the work given?

Right now I'm.oretty sure a primary school teacher must be the most sought after job in Ireland.

Wake up. Issue maths, irish, English and a few more pieces if the curriculum. Dont worry about telling the kids the reasoning behind the work or the means of doing it correctly, just correct it and throw a thumbs up.

You see I just don't believe that that is what is happening in your school. I think it just suits your agenda to pretend that that is what is happening.

sReq | uTeK

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

And there is that sweeping generalisation again.

It's not a sweeping statement if its being felt by the vast majority of parents across the country. But don't let that detract you from truth.

Stateofyou

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

It's not a sweeping statement if its being felt by the vast majority of parents across the country. But don't let that detract you from truth.

You don't speak for us. Go contact your kids' own teachers. FFS.

History Queen

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

It's not a sweeping statement if its being felt by the vast majority of parents across the country. But don't let that detract you from truth.

You don't appear to understand what a sweeping statement is. Where are your stats on the "vast majority" of parents and their experiences?

sReq | uTeK

Again and we can argue all day about what you or I believe constitutes the correct level of engagement and teaching. But the bottom line is that the statistics issued yesterday clearly clearly clearly illustrate the minimal risk covid plays within the classroom and now we have moved from 8k deaths to 1k and still teachers unions are advocating for schools to remain closed. A union that represents the voice of the teachers...

So why dont you all want to go back to school?

What makes you different to the medical professionals who go in and do their job?

sReq | uTeK

History Queen wrote: »

You don't appear to understand what a sweeping statement is. Where are your stats on the "vast majority" of parents and their experiences?

You've not been reading this forum then have you?

Beasty

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Its not a burden that parents should take up because most teachers can't be bothered doing the job they are still.being paid for.

Do not say you were not warned

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Stateofyou

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Again and we can argue all day about what you or I believe constitutes the correct level of engagement and teaching. But the bottom line is that the statistics issued yesterday clearly clearly clearly illustrate the minimal risk covid plays within the classroom and now we have moved from 8k deaths to 1k and still teachers unions are advocating for schools to remain closed. A union that represents the voice of the teachers...

So why dont you all want to go back to school?

What makes you different to the medical professionals who go in and do their job?

So you're just fed up with your life situation as you've outlined posts back and you just want your kids out from under your feet and back in school so you're lashing out. That's how your posts read to me.

Do link to expert conclusions that there is now a minimal risk of all children returning to school and the Unions are now blocking this. I already know where this will go--nowhere, just like every other direct questions you refuse to answer.

1. Medical professionals signed up to be exposed to infectious risk in the course of their job
2. Teachers did not sign up to put their health and lives and their families health and lives on the line to deliver education
3. Teachers can work from home, medical professionals cannot
4. They have proper PPE
5. They are among the first to receive a vaccine
6. The school environment and number of close contacts is very high, for hours a day, in cramped spaces, lack of proper ventilation and with unmasked primary pupils many of an age who have been shown to contract and spread the virus at least as well as adults do.
7. The definition of close contacts in the school is different and now once again, the test and trace system had failed.

Now the hospitals are in a precarious place, cases are still quite high, we are still in level 5 and facing new more serious strains of which research is still needed. At which time other countries are recommending medical grade masks in schools, workplaces and outdoors or double masking.

I think that about covers it?

khalessi

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Again and we can argue all day about what you or I believe constitutes the correct level of engagement and teaching. But the bottom line is that the statistics issued yesterday clearly clearly clearly illustrate the minimal risk covid plays within the classroom and now we have moved from 8k deaths to 1k and still teachers unions are advocating for schools to remain closed. A union that represents the voice of the teachers...

So why dont you all want to go back to school?

What makes you different to the medical professionals who go in and do their job?

PPE
The support of occupational health
access to vaccine
Knowing the perils of the job
tracking and tracing
sped up testing
regualr testing
did I mention proper ppe
correct identification of close contacts
corret stats on who caught Covid
ventilation

and that is just for starters
next

wirelessdude01

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Again and we can argue all day about what you or I believe constitutes the correct level of engagement and teaching. But the bottom line is that the statistics issued yesterday clearly clearly clearly illustrate the minimal risk covid plays within the classroom and now we have moved from 8k deaths to 1k and still teachers unions are advocating for schools to remain closed. A union that represents the voice of the teachers...

So why dont you all want to go back to school?

What makes you different to the medical professionals who go in and do their job?

Thank you for being so honest and letting the mask slip. Wasn't about your children education at all, just wanted a pop at teachers and their union.

hesaidshesaid

khalessi wrote: »

PPE
The support of occupational health
tracking and tracing
sped up testing
regualr testing
did I mention proper ppe
correct identification of close contacts
corret stats on who caught Covid
ventilation

and that is just for starters
next

Khalessi, you were a nurse. Have you any valium handy? We might need it on this thread today.

khalessi

looks like I missed a "fun" morning and afternoon:rolleyes:

khalessi

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Khalessi, you were a nurse. Have you any valium handy? We might need it on this thread today.

And not for the school staff:cool:

Stateofyou

Ah lads, I'm off to crack open a bottle of wine! :-s

teachinggal123

History Queen wrote: »

You don't appear to understand what a sweeping statement is. Where are your stats on the "vast majority" of parents and their experiences?

Ah now, hold on there. Some teachers on this very thread claiming similar about teachers working hard. Why are you not questioning those "stats"?