Ireland & the Single Market post Brexit

L1011

kub wrote: »

Well we have Whitegate, the biggest ( AFAIK ) refinery in the country, so huge tanker Ships serve it.

Only.

breezy1985 wrote: »

Quick question as there are loads of posters seem to understand ports.
What kind of a port is Foynes. And would it be in the conversation if it wasn't on the Midwest coast ?

Its a significant deepwater port; but its completely useless in terms of landbridge avoidance. Extra days sail time; and its hasn't got a linkspan for ro-ro traffic - as its not something it is ever going to handle.

Cork, Rosslare, Waterford if they get a linkspan and Dublin are the only ports that matter for this.

First Up

Eric Cartman wrote:

Genuine question, how, rotterdam to dundalk is surely shorter than rosslare or dublin

What's your question?

embraer170

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Genuine question, how, rotterdam to dundalk is surely shorter than rosslare or dublin

No, since you would said down the Celtic Sea and the Channel. It would be much longer (at least a third) going North around Scotland.

An Ciarraioch

10% growth in container traffic at the Port of Cork in the last six weeks, which suggests plenty growth potential remains:

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2021/0125/1191895-port-of-cork/

rock22

embraer170 wrote: »

No, since you would said down the Celtic Sea and the Channel. It would be much longer (at least a third) going North around Scotland.

Where is the Celtic sea?

An Ciarraioch

Between Ireland and Brittany.

An Ciarraioch

New Rosslare routes to St-Malo (Normandy) and Roscoff (Brittany):

https://twitter.com/RosslareHbr/status/1354469536943271936

zell12

Saint Malo is interesting choice, has it ever been served from Ireland before?
It has TGV to Paris

rock22

I have just has the following from a supplier in the UK
Following the departure of the UK from the EU, the regulations for tax implications are becoming clearer - not completely clear yet, but getting better! The <Seller> has been in consultation with their accountants and as a result has made some changes to the ordering process for our European customers

The outcome of our findings to date is that the <Seller> has had to impose a minimum order value of £135 when goods are sent to an EU country. This threshold has been chosen as any shipment above £135 does not incur any additional taxes at the time of purchase. There will however be local taxes to be paid when the goods arrive and payment will have to be made to the local authorities before the goods are released.

The regulations for dealing with order values of less than £135 are both complex and involve significant amount of extra paperwork and taxation regulations. Until this area becomes clearer, setting the minimum order value avoids the problems faced with transactions from the UK to Europe.

The <Seller> appreciates this will be an unpopular move, but we hope that the situation is changed in the future.

Does that make sense that it is easier for orders over £135 ? ( I thought the opposite, that it was easier for orders less than €150).

Nody

rock22 wrote: »

Does that make sense that it is easier for orders over £135 ? ( I thought the opposite, that it was easier for orders less than €150).

It ensures that it's always going to be full duty & VAT; sub €150 and the customs could question if the price was right or not (i.e. delays) and ensures the seller has one procedure for all orders and accounting.

prawnsambo

rock22 wrote: »

I have just has the following from a supplier in the UK
Following the departure of the UK from the EU, the regulations for tax implications are becoming clearer - not completely clear yet, but getting better! The <Seller> has been in consultation with their accountants and as a result has made some changes to the ordering process for our European customers

The outcome of our findings to date is that the <Seller> has had to impose a minimum order value of £135 when goods are sent to an EU country. This threshold has been chosen as any shipment above £135 does not incur any additional taxes at the time of purchase. There will however be local taxes to be paid when the goods arrive and payment will have to be made to the local authorities before the goods are released.

The regulations for dealing with order values of less than £135 are both complex and involve significant amount of extra paperwork and taxation regulations. Until this area becomes clearer, setting the minimum order value avoids the problems faced with transactions from the UK to Europe.

The <Seller> appreciates this will be an unpopular move, but we hope that the situation is changed in the future.

Does that make sense that it is easier for orders over £135 ? ( I thought the opposite, that it was easier for orders less than €150).

It depends on the product. If it's food based, that could well be true. Although there are costs, the supplier may have come to the conclusion that they can absorb them in higher value orders, but not in smaller value ones. This could be true of other products as well, but there are considerably higher costs associated with food exports now. Either way it sounds like cost absorption by the supplier.

Edit: Also what Nody said above.

First Up

zell12 wrote:

Saint Malo is interesting choice, has it ever been served from Ireland before? It has TGV to Paris

A nice addition to the ever-growing network. Pretty little town and plugs into the road/rail system.

prawnsambo

First Up wrote: »

A nice addition to the ever-growing network. Pretty little town and plugs into the road/rail system.

Also a lot closer to Rennes (about (70km compared to 210km to Roscoff) which is a motorway hub for a good chunk of France - if not all of it.

An Ciarraioch

DFDS have upgraded the Dunkerque route, replacing the Optima Seaways with the higher capacity MV Drotten ferry:

https://www.doverferryphotosforums.co.uk/mv-drotten-past-and-present/

https://www.doverferryphotosforums.co.uk/mv-optima-seaways-past-and-present/

strandroad

All these new ferries, are they cargo only or do they have private car or foot passenger capacity too?

An Ciarraioch

They're all designed to carry both cargo and passengers, should conditions allow.

L1011

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

They're all designed to carry both cargo and passengers, should conditions allow.

That's absolutely not the case.

They all have cabins etc - but often not enough to even carry one driver per truck on board.

Very few, if any, of these will become car routes and I suspect zero will ever take foot passengers.

20silkcut

L1011 wrote: »

That's absolutely not the case.

They all have cabins etc - but often not enough to even carry one driver per truck on board.

Very few, if any, of these will become car routes and I suspect zero will ever take foot passengers.

You’d imagine lorry drivers would be happier with these direct sailings. A short drive to Rosslare a good rest while on the ferry and set off driving in France much closer to wherever their final destination is.
Would save diesel and wear and tear on the lorry too.
Easier on man and machine. Would be interesting to hear feedback from lorry drivers who gave all their career using the land bridge how they find the new routes.

In terms of actual time taken what is the difference?
Is it 24 hours sailing from Rosslare to France ?
How long does it take from Rosslare to Calais using the pre brexit land bridge ?

beggars_bush

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

New Rosslare routes to St-Malo (Normandy) and Roscoff (Brittany):

https://twitter.com/RosslareHbr/status/1354469536943271936

Class
Have a look at the aerial view of town, it has an internal harbour
When are these routes starting?
Edit - February sometime

Brexit will be very good for Rosslare and the businesses around there

Eric Cartman

beggars_bush wrote: »

Class
Have a look at the aerial view of town, it has an internal harbour
When are these routes starting?
Edit - February sometime

Brexit will be very good for Rosslare and the businesses around there

For a port that looked like it was unviable at one point its certainly made a comeback

beggars_bush

Eric Cartman wrote: »

For a port that looked like it was unviable at one point its certainly made a comeback

The motorway opening all the way to Oylgate has certainly helped.

Someone mentioned about Cork RORO? The problem Cork will only really serve munster and up to Galway. And then there is no motorway to limerick

Eric Cartman

beggars_bush wrote: »

The motorway opening all the way to Oylgate has certainly helped.

Someone mentioned about Cork RORO? The problem Cork will only really serve munster and up to Galway. And then there is no motorway to limerick

Id imagine with brexit traffic that adding capacity on the roads and rail to the port will be priority.

L1011

Rosslare does not handle containers so rail to it is irrelevant as it stands. Waterford and Dublin do handle containers by rail and Cork could probably have its re-equipped in a relatively short period of time - its been disconnected from rail and I suspect the cranes are out of service (they appear to still be there going on Google imagery)

The Oylegate to Rosslare road scheme needs to be fully prioritised now, along with Rosslare and possibly Waterfords upgrade plans. The State wants CIE to take 100% ownership of Rosslare (by swapping for the 50% of Fishguard) before investing in the actual port, though.

Eric Cartman

Im also wondering when the duty free is being built at dublin port and hollyhead

breezy1985

beggars_bush wrote: »

Class
Have a look at the aerial view of town, it has an internal harbour
When are these routes starting?
Edit - February sometime

Brexit will be very good for Rosslare and the businesses around there

Not far from Mont St. Michael too which looks amazing

CelticRambler

breezy1985 wrote: »

Not far from Mont St. Michael too which looks amazing

Look, but don't touch - closed until further notice (due to Covid) unless you want to just wander the deserted streets of the town (and don't forget to give yourself time to walk back to your car because there are no busses so that you can get back to your B&B before 6pm).

breezy1985

CelticRambler wrote: »

Look, but don't touch - closed until further notice (due to Covid) unless you want to just wander the deserted streets of the town (and don't forget to give yourself time to walk back to your car because there are no busses so that you can get back to your B&B before 6pm).

Really its closed. Wow would never have guessed, what is this Covid thing you talk of is it a new thing I havnt heard anything about it

Charles Babbage

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im also wondering when the duty free is being built at dublin port and hollyhead

Never, I would imagine. These places never had duty free shops, there is ample space on a boat for shop selling cheap vodka.

An Ciarraioch

And now it seems Saint Malo will be linked with Cork, as well as Rosslare:

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/major-new-cork-france-ferry-19720158

breezy1985

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Never, I would imagine. These places never had duty free shops, there is ample space on a boat for shop selling cheap vodka.

The boats already have duty free shops and a currency exchange so the ports dont really need to waist money on them too