Government flip flops / school closures

Rosita

Scarlet for the Minister that someone else has to take that decision for her. How hapless and bungling can one person be?

greenbicycle

Thank god for the ASTI, the worth of unions shown. An action I couldn't take on my own but it is done with the strength in numbers

Rosita

greenbicycle wrote: »

Thank god for the ASTI, the worth of unions shown. An action I couldn't take on my own but it is done with the strength in numbers

It's also worth noting that those who won't join unions because "they've useless" will now also be able to lie under the blanket of unity provided.

rainbowtrout

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Fair fcuks to the ASTI SC. BIG MOTHA FCUKING BALLS JUST BEEN SHOWN.

:pac::D:pac::D:pac::D

amacca

Rosita wrote: »

Scarlet for the Minister that someone else has to take that decision for her. How hapless and bungling can one person be?

That's exactly what the Govt put Norma Foley In that position for and told her what actions to take

Now the ****storm won't be directed solely at them.

pandoraj09

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/homeschool-hub-our-guide-to-the-best-teaching-and-learning-resources-online-1.4206766

"The now cancelled leaving cert Orals"!!!! Did I miss that announcement??? It's in the Spanish section....

ethical

There should be an immediate call to get that idiot out of the Education Portfolio NOW,sad to think she was only in the classroom a few months ago herself but I'm told she had more interest in going out cutting ribbons re every dogs gathering in her area.

rainbowtrout

Yes, the illusion is that cabinet had decided to close the schools completely and move everything online (and that should have been the end of it), and then on Tuesday it started being reported that Norma wanted LCs back to school. Never reported as a cabinet decision, always as Norma.

mirrorwall14

pandoraj09 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/homeschool-hub-our-guide-to-the-best-teaching-and-learning-resources-online-1.4206766

"The now cancelled leaving cert Orals"!!!! Did I miss that announcement??? It's in the Spanish section....

I’d guess that’s a regurgitated article from lockdown one not proofread properly

Panga

Fair play to the ASTI. Now let's hear from the TUI.

Dempo1

Rosita wrote: »

Scarlet for the Minister that someone else has to take that decision for her. How hapless and bungling can one person be?

If there's one quality Minister Foley has in spades, its the ability to get others make complete ejits out of themselves on her behalf, only to pop up from hibernation to appear to say the opposite of what's being peddled on her behalf.

She's extraordinarly stubborn, seems completely out of touch (says alot, she's actually a teacher). God forbid she was running another department.

Over to her now as one union has said enough of this nonsense.

2011abc

Dempo1 wrote: »

If there's one quality Minister Foley has in spades, its the ability to get others make complete ejits out of themselves on her behalf, only to pop up from hibernation to appear to say the opposite of what's being peddled on her behalf.

She's extraordinarly stubborn, seems completely out of touch (says alot, she's actually a teacher). God forbid she was running another department.

Over to her now as one union has said enough of this nonsense.

Its looking like she has just pulled the same stunt with ASTI although I think the majority with a bit of sense can see through her 'cunning plan'

Dempo1

2011abc wrote: »

Its looking like she has just pulled the same stunt with ASTI although I think the majority with a bit of sense can see through her 'cunning plan'

A plan so cunning, you could put a D in front of it and call it a Disaster o the Blackadder Quotes, memories

amacca

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Yes, the illusion is that cabinet had decided to close the schools completely and move everything online (and that should have been the end of it), and then on Tuesday it started being reported that Norma wanted LCs back to school. Never reported as a cabinet decision, always as Norma.

Yep Norma will take the fall if it has to come to that....and she's either the sacrificial lamb or they'll find a way to reward loyalty....potentially worse disaster (politically speaking) mitigated ...........all going to plan nicely, MM already has a replacement in mind.

Might give it to someone aligned to Cowan to further isolate that threat.

Smacruairi

I'd like stronger scrutiny of the JMB now and their role in advising schools to go ahead with this disaster once the govt climbs down on this, which they will.

Dempo1

amacca wrote: »

Yep Norma will take the fall if it has to come to that....and she's either the sacrificial lamb or they'll find a way to reward loyalty....potentially worse disaster (politically speaking) mitigated ...........all going to plan nicely, MM already has a replacement in mind.

Might give it to someone aligned to Cowan to further isolate that threat.

Norma take the fall? Surely you Jest, her best Buddy Meehole will protect her and besides she has a PhD in deflection

Leftwaffe

Smacruairi wrote: »

I'd like stronger scrutiny of the JMB now and their role in advising schools to go ahead with this disaster once the govt climbs down on this, which they will.

100%. Couldn’t believe how quick they were to jump on board today.

TheValeyard

The tide has turned.

lulublue22

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

100%. Couldn’t believe how quick they were to jump on board today.

anyone enlighten me who or what is the JMB ?

Panicked parent

As a parent of children who attend a special school, please tell me how remote learning will work for them? Of course it won’t. These children will be fed to the wolves as they were before. Some of the comments here do not sit well this evening. How many of you will be headbutted and bitten by frustrated children missing their school. I am a member of a teaching union so I can understand people’s fears but I feel that that rights of these children are completely forgotten in this.

Newbie20

Have the ASTI maybe jumped the gun on it? Like fair play to them for sticking up for us and I am a member. But I think that school wasn’t going to happen next week anyway with all the students and parents voicing their concerns. Did they fall into the trap set by the department?

TheValeyard

The tide has turned.

amacca

Dempo1 wrote: »

Norma take the fall? Surely you Jest, her best Buddy Meehole will protect her and besides she has a PhD in deflection

Probably not there yet but I believe she's the political equivalent of a firewall.....make a balls of this as they were always probably going to and reset with less damage after minister steps down when calls for it become rabid enough.....news cycle moves on to the next outrage fest in case the public gets too bored and switches off and they can charge the same for advertising.

It's the modus operandi.

Panga

lulublue22 wrote: »

anyone enlighten me who or what is the JMB ?

Joint Managerial Body for secondary schools principals & BOMs

TheValeyard

Newbie20 wrote: »

Have the ASTI maybe jumped the gun on it? Like fair play to them for sticking up for us and I am a member. But I think that school wasn’t going to happen next week anyway with all the students and parents voicing their concerns. Did they fall into the trap set by the department?

I'd say not. The wind was blowing very clearly against opening. Students planning protests, principals meeting to defey opening, parents against it.

Prisoner6409

So while Nurses and Doctors stepped up to the plate since all this started, people working directly with Covid19 sufferers and people in retail ect also working, teachers as usual started moaning and in the end legged it even though they could easily protect themselves and students(mostly leaving cert) from transmission. Typical of teachers running to their Unions. if they do not turn up for work do not pay them.

2011abc

TheValeyard wrote: »

The tide has turned.

Again!?

ShamoBuc

Newbie20 wrote: »

Have the ASTI maybe jumped the gun on it? Like fair play to them for sticking up for us and I am a member. But I think that school wasn’t going to happen next week anyway with all the students and parents voicing their concerns. Did they fall into the trap set by the department?

I expected the Gov knew the reaction of the unions, hence why they didn't involve them in talks.
Now, they can put the blame on the unions and say it's their fault.

Wombatman

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1347262756974702595

Bobtheman

Prisoner6409 wrote: »

So while Nurses and Doctors stepped up to the plate since all this started, people working directly with Covid19 sufferers and people in retail ect also working, teachers as usual started moaning and in the end legged it even though they could easily protect themselves and students(mostly leaving cert) from transmission. Typical of teachers running to their Unions. if they do not turn up for work do not pay them.

Only a moron would compare teachers to nurses and doctors. Education can go ahead online with proper supports. If you are dying or very sick you Have to physically be seen to in a ward.