Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

MadYaker

quokula wrote: »

So the answer to this is to impose a rule that won’t affect Haas in the slightest, since their stops are already slow, but will impede the current championship leading team who run their pitstops like clockwork and have not had any incident of that type?

And to suddenly change the rule out of the blue mid-season right after a race where this performance helped them win with an undercut, despite the fact that the issues you describe have been a known issue ever since refuelling stopped years and years ago and they’ve never thought to introduce it between seasons before? That doesn’t seem remotely suspicious to you?

It's a load of bullsh!t and nonsense like this is the reason why so many people got turned off F1 and now consider it a joke.

Burkie1203

MadYaker wrote: »

It's a load of bullsh!t and nonsense like this is the reason why so many people got turned off F1 and now consider it a joke.

If they wanted to slow pit stops down and make them safer, cut the number of guys on each wheel to 1 like Indycar

MadYaker

It's all so murky, can we even find out who asked for this?

El_Duderino 09

Burkie1203 wrote: »

If they wanted to slow pit stops down and make them safer, cut the number of guys on each wheel to 1 like Indycar

That might be an idea, but it would slow the pitstop to maybe 20 seconds. So it would give extra advantage to a one stop strategy and even more tyre saving and tiptoeing around on race day. I'd say that the opposite of what we want to see.

duploelabs

The proposed pit stop delays are to stop computer operated rather than user operated machinery like wheel guns right?

flazio

Worth a look
https://youtu.be/5K9VV9ez2QY

Charlie-Bravo

Interesting, but I would think that computers, if the proper design and sensors do what they should, will be much safer than a human.

MadYaker

So if some teams have a sensor on the wheel gun that flicks the stop light green when the last gun comes off why can't they just ban that? Why regulate the entire pitstop to make it slower where RB have clearly shown they have an advantage over Mercedes?

TheChrisD

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That might be an idea, but it would slow the pitstop to maybe 20 seconds. So it would give extra advantage to a one stop strategy and even more tyre saving and tiptoeing around on race day. I'd say that the opposite of what we want to see.

IndyCar stops are only about seven seconds. Possibly even about five or six if they're not waiting on fuel.

It doesn't add too much more time, and removes a huge drove of people from the pit lane. Sounds like a win-win.

Harika

V8 Star, a German racing series, had a pit stop rule that every wheel nut needed to be checked twice during a pit stop. Sounded like it would make things more safe. In reality the checking caused wheels to become loose again and rule was dumped soon.

Dont be at yourself

A Tilke-designed track in St Petersburg is apparently set to replace Sochi from 2023. Doesn't look like much from the Wikipedia page, but can't be worse than Sochi.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igora_Drive

El_Duderino 09

Harika wrote: »

V8 Star, a German racing series, had a pit stop rule that every wheel nut needed to be checked twice during a pit stop. Sounded like it would make things more safe. In reality the checking caused wheels to become loose again and rule was dumped soon.

The f1 rule change is not explicitly about slowing down. Pitstips, or even making them safer. It's about enforcing the rule that all elements have to be manual.

They explain in the video someone posted above that the wheel guns can automatically send a signal to the traffic light to release the car. That's not manual. The traffic light isn't manual and the wheel gun signal isn't manual. So it's more about that element than anything else.

Harika

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The f1 rule change is not explicitly about slowing down. Pitstips, or even making them safer. It's about enforcing the rule that all elements have to be manual.

They explain I he video someone posted above that the wheel guns can automatically send a signal to the traffic light to release the car. That's not manual. The traffic light isn't manual and the wheel gun signal isn't manual. So it's more about that element than anything else.

I assume this change will cause more pitstop incidents than we see now.

El_Duderino 09

Harika wrote: »

I assume this change will cause more pitstop incidents than we see now.

Hard to say since we don't know what the changes will be.

vectra

Harika wrote: »

I assume this change will cause more pitstop incidents than we see now.

Well, if it slows the whole field the same amount, then hopefully not.
I wonder what will the next thing Mercedes will ask the FIA to change to slow Red Bull down?
Possibly ban Max from drinking Red Bull as it may be seen as a performance enhancing product? :rolleyes::pac:

Harika

vectra wrote: »

Well, if it slows the whole field the same amount, then hopefully not.
I wonder what will the next thing Mercedes will ask the FIA to change to slow Red Bull down?
Possibly ban Max from drinking Red Bull as it may be seen as a performance enhancing product? :rolleyes::pac:

Next change: team bosses have to roll dice. Only snake eyes will let you swap tyres

AMKC

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

A Tilke-designed track in St Petersburg is apparently set to replace Sochi from 2023. Doesn't look like much from the Wikipedia page, but can't be worse than Sochi.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igora_Drive

How about just dropping Russia altogether and not going there untill they start to behave and not poisoning any of there former spys or stopping people from loving who they want to love just because of there sexuality.

AMKC

vectra wrote: »

Well, if it slows the whole field the same amount, then hopefully not.
I wonder what will the next thing Mercedes will ask the FIA to change to slow Red Bull down?
Possibly ban Max from drinking Red Bull as it may be seen as a performance enhancing product? :rolleyes::pac:

Lol.

barryribs

AMKC wrote: »

How about just dropping Russia altogether and not going there untill they start to behave and not poisoning any of there former spys or stopping people from loving who they want to love just because of there sexuality.

Where do you draw the line then, Azerbaijan is supposedly worse for LGBT rights than Russia. They forced people out of their homes to build half the new city in Baku. Then there's a race scheduled for Saudi Arabia, where they can dismember dissidents without repercussions not to mention their links to terrorism, slavery and sex trafficking. And we close out the season strong in beautiful Abu Dhabi, where you can legally beat your wife or stone her to death for adultery.

Glico Man

barryribs wrote: »

Where do you draw the line then, Azerbaijan is supposedly worse for LGBT rights than Russia. They forced people out of their homes to build half the new city in Baku. Then there's a race scheduled for Saudi Arabia, where they can dismember dissidents without repercussions not to mention their links to terrorism, slavery and sex trafficking. And we close out the season strong in beautiful Abu Dhabi, where you can legally beat your wife or stone her to death for adultery.

Add Bahrain and Hungary to that list too.

F1 follows money, not morality. Business is business, sports is sports and politics isn't part of their thinking.

Captain_Crash

Glico Man wrote: »

Add Bahrain and Hungary to that list too.

F1 follows money, not morality. Business is business, sports is sports and politics isn't part of their thinking.

Let’s not forget Singapore, don’t they a shady human rights record also

flazio

If we tried to stick to squeaky clean western countries for a world championship, we wouldn't have a world championship at all.

AMKC

By the way it was not Mercedes but McLaren who complained about Red Bulls pit stops and that is why the pit stops are being changed because of McLaren.

vectra

AMKC wrote: »

By the way it was not Mercedes but McLaren who complained about Red Bulls pit stops and that is why the pit stops are being changed because of McLaren.

Didn't Toto say they enquired something about it weeks ago?

Hijpo

vectra wrote: »

Didn't Toto say they enquired something about it weeks ago?

What are the chances that Merc use their customer team to voice an opinion or lodge a complaint?

Has that happened before?

quokula

Hijpo wrote: »

What are the chances that Merc use their customer team to voice an opinion or lodge a complaint?

Has that happened before?

Toto all but admitted it (using weasel words about making a technical enquiry)

Everyone from Red Bull to Ferrari to Alfa Romeo to Alpine have criticised the sudden change out of the blue, it’s only Merc and their customers who are supporting the decision.

Dont be at yourself

Now Merc are constantly pointing out the time lost on the straights since Red Bull swapped in the new engines, hinting at an illegal mid-season performance upgrade.

Charlie-Bravo

Yeah, the radio comms between Hamilton and Bono are a little to showcase that speed difference in the straights. It's all a part of the F1 game!

elperello

Hijpo wrote: »

What are the chances that Merc use their customer team to voice an opinion or lodge a complaint?

Has that happened before?

C Horner said on Ch 4 yesterday that the complaints came from users of the same engine.

quokula

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

Yeah, the radio comms between Hamilton and Bono are a little to showcase that speed difference in the straights. It's all a part of the F1 game!

Yep even though it’s really obvious when you look at the Red Bull that they’re running skinnier wings to get a straight line speed boost.

You also had Hamilton in the post race interviews making baseless claims about Red Bull spending more too, again sewing the seed that they might be breaking spending cap rules.

It’s all a bit rich when it’s the first time in the hybrid era that Mercedes haven’t had a big straight line speed advantage on everyone, and probably the first time they haven’t been able to outspend everyone too thanks to the budget cap.