Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

Hijpo · 24-06-2021 09:02PM

vectra wrote: »

Merc and Lewis are being beaten hands down, do you expect regulations to remain the same ?

It would be interesting to hear who made the complaints.

So is it a case that these times delays will be implemented through controls or are they what the FIA want to see from teams?

vectra · 25-06-2021 01:12AM

Hijpo wrote: »

It would be interesting to hear who made the complaints.

So is it a case that these times delays will be implemented through controls or are they what the FIA want to see from teams?

I read it would be done through wheel sensors and the wheel gun.
Something like, when the last wheel gun is used, there will be a timed delay before the car realease.

Tippex · 25-06-2021 05:30AM

flazio wrote: »

Get your jabs

https://twitter.com/F1Media/status/1408018571297427457?s=19

Considering what is going on in the UK atm this is a bonkers decision.

barryribs · 25-06-2021 09:10AM

Is anyone using F1 TV without using a VPN for the archives?

quokula · 25-06-2021 12:24PM

It’s hard to look at this new rule change that’s come completely out of the blue to slow down pitstops, immediately after Red Bull win a race on the back of their consistently faster pitstops than Mercedes, and come to the conclusion that it’s anything other than blatant corruption.

muckwarrior · 25-06-2021 12:50PM

"it is not thought that the FIA move is aimed at a specific outfit"

:rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09 · 25-06-2021 01:14PM

Really nice image of all the teams' pitstops sop far his year. Red bull consistently faster then mercedes but not by much. 2 tenths of a second on average. I presume they have excluded any major outliers.

quokula · 25-06-2021 01:31PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Really nice image of all the teams' pitstops sop far his year. Red bull consistently faster then mercedes but not by much. 2 tenths of a second on average. I presume they have excluded any major outliers.

https://f1bythenumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/2021_pit_stops_driver_filtered_1_7.png

If you break it down by driver it gets more interesting - Verstappen actually a lot quicker than Perez, while Bottas tends to be quicker than Hamilton. Verstappen over half a second advantage on Hamilton on average.

I assume this can only be down to consistency when stopping at their marks. Amazing that Raikkonen is one of the fastest while Giovanizzi is one of the slowest.

flazio · 25-06-2021 03:58PM

BBC have been told it was brought in after Mick Schumachers unsafe release in Baku.

duploelabs · 25-06-2021 04:03PM

Apparently there's a new drive to survive on Nikita Mazipin, it's a spin off series

Charlie-Bravo · 25-06-2021 04:10PM

Good joke, but shame on you for stealing it from David Croft, who in turn stole it from his own son. And I'm sure he didn't think it up himself :pac:

quokula · 25-06-2021 04:20PM

flazio wrote: »

BBC have been told it was brought in after Mick Schumachers unsafe release in Baku.

Makes perfect sense as a reason to punish teams who make fast pitstops given that Haas routinely have the slowest pitstops on the grid.

duploelabs · 25-06-2021 04:22PM

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

Good joke, but shame on you for stealing it from David Croft, who in turn stole it from his own son. And I'm sure he didn't think it up himself :pac:

You must be a joy at dinner parties

flazio · 25-06-2021 04:26PM

quokula wrote: »

Makes perfect sense as a reason to punish teams who make fast pitstops given that Haas routinely have the slowest pitstops on the grid.

Slow or not they still released Mick with a loose wheel, they did the same to Grosjean and Magnuessen in Australia a few years ago and a cameraman was injured by a loose wheel flying off Mark Webbers car back in the day. If there's a risk it could happen again then it has to be addressed before an incident happens not as a response to one.

quokula · 25-06-2021 04:36PM

flazio wrote: »

Slow or not they still released Mick with a loose wheel, they did the same to Grosjean and Magnuessen in Australia a few years ago and a cameraman was injured by a loose wheel flying off Mark Webbers car back in the day. If there's a risk it could happen again then it has to be addressed before an incident happens not as a response to one.

So the answer to this is to impose a rule that won’t affect Haas in the slightest, since their stops are already slow, but will impede the current championship leading team who run their pitstops like clockwork and have not had any incident of that type?

And to suddenly change the rule out of the blue mid-season right after a race where this performance helped them win with an undercut, despite the fact that the issues you describe have been a known issue ever since refuelling stopped years and years ago and they’ve never thought to introduce it between seasons before? That doesn’t seem remotely suspicious to you?

muckwarrior · 25-06-2021 05:02PM

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

Good joke, but shame on you for stealing it from David Croft, who in turn stole it from his own son. And I'm sure he didn't think it up himself :pac:

If Croft keeps his slagging up, I wouldn't be surprised to see him mysteriously poisoned :pac:

Charlie-Bravo · 25-06-2021 06:47PM

duploelabs wrote: »

You must be a joy at dinner parties

Cheer up buddy.

MadYaker · 25-06-2021 07:59PM

quokula wrote: »

So the answer to this is to impose a rule that won’t affect Haas in the slightest, since their stops are already slow, but will impede the current championship leading team who run their pitstops like clockwork and have not had any incident of that type?

And to suddenly change the rule out of the blue mid-season right after a race where this performance helped them win with an undercut, despite the fact that the issues you describe have been a known issue ever since refuelling stopped years and years ago and they’ve never thought to introduce it between seasons before? That doesn’t seem remotely suspicious to you?

It's a load of bullsh!t and nonsense like this is the reason why so many people got turned off F1 and now consider it a joke.

Burkie1203 · 25-06-2021 08:05PM

MadYaker wrote: »

It's a load of bullsh!t and nonsense like this is the reason why so many people got turned off F1 and now consider it a joke.

If they wanted to slow pit stops down and make them safer, cut the number of guys on each wheel to 1 like Indycar

MadYaker · 25-06-2021 08:13PM

It's all so murky, can we even find out who asked for this?

El_Duderino 09 · 25-06-2021 08:19PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

If they wanted to slow pit stops down and make them safer, cut the number of guys on each wheel to 1 like Indycar

That might be an idea, but it would slow the pitstop to maybe 20 seconds. So it would give extra advantage to a one stop strategy and even more tyre saving and tiptoeing around on race day. I'd say that the opposite of what we want to see.

duploelabs · 25-06-2021 09:00PM

The proposed pit stop delays are to stop computer operated rather than user operated machinery like wheel guns right?

flazio · 25-06-2021 09:07PM

Worth a look
https://youtu.be/5K9VV9ez2QY

Charlie-Bravo · 25-06-2021 09:20PM

Interesting, but I would think that computers, if the proper design and sensors do what they should, will be much safer than a human.

MadYaker · 25-06-2021 09:22PM

So if some teams have a sensor on the wheel gun that flicks the stop light green when the last gun comes off why can't they just ban that? Why regulate the entire pitstop to make it slower where RB have clearly shown they have an advantage over Mercedes?

TheChrisD · 25-06-2021 09:27PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That might be an idea, but it would slow the pitstop to maybe 20 seconds. So it would give extra advantage to a one stop strategy and even more tyre saving and tiptoeing around on race day. I'd say that the opposite of what we want to see.

IndyCar stops are only about seven seconds. Possibly even about five or six if they're not waiting on fuel.

It doesn't add too much more time, and removes a huge drove of people from the pit lane. Sounds like a win-win.

Harika · 26-06-2021 08:08AM

V8 Star, a German racing series, had a pit stop rule that every wheel nut needed to be checked twice during a pit stop. Sounded like it would make things more safe. In reality the checking caused wheels to become loose again and rule was dumped soon.

Dont be at yourself · 26-06-2021 08:10AM

A Tilke-designed track in St Petersburg is apparently set to replace Sochi from 2023. Doesn't look like much from the Wikipedia page, but can't be worse than Sochi.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igora_Drive

El_Duderino 09 · 26-06-2021 08:16AM

Harika wrote: »

V8 Star, a German racing series, had a pit stop rule that every wheel nut needed to be checked twice during a pit stop. Sounded like it would make things more safe. In reality the checking caused wheels to become loose again and rule was dumped soon.

The f1 rule change is not explicitly about slowing down. Pitstips, or even making them safer. It's about enforcing the rule that all elements have to be manual.

They explain in the video someone posted above that the wheel guns can automatically send a signal to the traffic light to release the car. That's not manual. The traffic light isn't manual and the wheel gun signal isn't manual. So it's more about that element than anything else.

Harika · 26-06-2021 08:30AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The f1 rule change is not explicitly about slowing down. Pitstips, or even making them safer. It's about enforcing the rule that all elements have to be manual.

They explain I he video someone posted above that the wheel guns can automatically send a signal to the traffic light to release the car. That's not manual. The traffic light isn't manual and the wheel gun signal isn't manual. So it's more about that element than anything else.

I assume this change will cause more pitstop incidents than we see now.

Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

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