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Taoiseach shocked and dismayed at Sinn Fein TDs tweet on IRA attacks

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    #272
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Some of these posts from this morning defending Stanley look more than a little silly now that he has admitted it was a reference to Varadkar's sexuality.




    Yes, Francie, short tweets can be misinterpreted, but in this case, it was the people defending him this morning who were guilty of misinterpretation.

    More dishonesty and misrepresentation to peddle your agenda.
    Bowie wrote: »
    You are jumping to conclusions to suit your agenda. I never heard of Stanley before his IRA tweet, which I'd no issue with. On this the poster asked what it was about, I posed a query giving him the benefit of the doubt. It does come across as poor taste and I don't buy his reasoning. I initially thought the bed reference was regarding LV's get up early ****e. Upon hearing his excuse, it wasn't. So I now think he made an insulting and rude remark trying to be sarcastic. He seems like a bit of a gilly.
    You lied yesterday to try use racism and now you are trying to use homophobia again. It's dishonest.


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    #273
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,904 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Good to hear Stanley call this out on the radio there.
    This is a political assassination attempt, nothing short of it.
    The FG mob sense blood and they are out to get it at any cost. Should be resisted.


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    #274
    Ireland2020
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 214 ✭✭Ireland2020


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Good to hear Stanley call this out on the radio there.
    This is a political assassination attempt, nothing short of it.
    The FG mob sense blood and they are out to get it at any cost. Should be resisted.

    FG mob are just trying to calm down the LeoTheLeak scandal. It will never be forgotten.

    Next time a FFG member calls canvassing to my door again, il say you wont get my vote but like the student nurses il clap for ya


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    #275
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,595 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    His 2017 Leo tweet.

    This guy sounds like an immature and childish clown..

    SF need to give him the boot..


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    #276
    Ireland2020
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 214 ✭✭Ireland2020


    walshb wrote: »
    His 2017 Leo tweet.

    This guy sounds like an immature and childish clown..

    SF need to give him the boot..

    SF will not be doing anything. If he goes Leo and McEntee will have to go as they done far worse


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    #277
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Good to hear Stanley call this out on the radio there.
    This is a political assassination attempt, nothing short of it.
    The FG mob sense blood and they are out to get it at any cost. Should be resisted.

    I think his tweet was a bit insulting. If Varadkar is insulted he should say sorry. It's as much aimed at taking the piss out of him for being a Tory.
    Of course the ones using it to score points simply aren't credible. Applaud Nurses then turn around and vote against paying student nurses for example.


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    #278
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,595 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ireland2020 wrote: »
    SF will not be doing anything. If he goes Leo and McEntee will have to go as they done far worse

    Yeh yeh

    SF should tell him to go and do one..


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    #279
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    KarlMarks wrote: »
    He should never have been made apologise for the tweet that rightfully celebrated two successful actions against a foreign army on this island.

    ^That is scary & unforgivable^

    The murder of Lord Mountbatten was carried out in this State and the soldiers were murdered in Northern Ireland (UK) as recognised by international law.

    The Provisional IRA were a Terrorist organisation, and as such their actions were illegal, so why would you celebrate their actions? specially with such great loss of life, you obviously have strong IRA sympathies, which says it all.

    Stanley should have sent out a full apology to the families of the children murdered that day, plus the family of the Nanny? I guess he'd never apologise to the Mountbatten family.

    It's like some people on this forum don't understand what murder or terrorism is, very sad altogether, but isn't it great that you can say anything you like in the form of terrorist glorification (and get away with it).

    You just sit back there and wallow in the celebration of their murders...


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    #280
    KarlMarks
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    I'm a proud Irish Republican. Why would I want to apologise for the actions of the IRA (even though I sided more with the actions of another republican grouping and am a reluctant SF voter)? The British Army are a foreign army on this island and the PIRA carried out a succcesful action that struck right at the heart of the enemy. That is to be celebrated. Its you Free Staters who like to pick and choose which bits of history you celebrate who are the ones having to jump through hoops.


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    #281
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    KarlMarks wrote: »
    I'm a proud Irish Republican. Why would I want to apologise for the actions of the IRA (even though I sided more with the actions of another republican grouping ...

    Ouch, you mean like the INLA :mad:

    OMG, they were even worse.

    Thank God the planting of bombs and the like is now finished. Politics rules these days thankfully.


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    #282
    mariaalice
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    Bowie wrote: »
    I can't speak for party members but all kinds of people gave them a vote. Based on the numbers they are the same kind of people vote for every other party.
    What kind of people attack or demean others for not voting how'd they'd like?

    I am not demonising anyone, the only reason for voting for any political party is their policies.


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    #283
    Normal One
    Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    ^That is scary & unforgivable^

    The murder of Lord Mountbatten was carried out in this State and the soldiers were murdered in Northern Ireland (UK) as recognised by international law.

    The Provisional IRA were a Terrorist organisation, and as such their actions were illegal, so why would you celebrate their actions? specially with such great loss of life, you obviously have strong IRA sympathies, which says it all.

    Stanley should have sent out a full apology to the families of the children murdered that day, plus the family of the Nanny? I guess he'd never apologise to the Mountbatten family.

    It's like some people on this forum don't understand what murder or terrorism is, very sad altogether, but isn't it great that you can say anything you like in the form of terrorist glorification (and get away with it).

    You just sit back there and wallow in the celebration of their murders...

    He made no reference whatsoever to Mountbatten, and you well know that.


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    #284
    Normal One
    Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    I wonder what the Taoiseach had to say about the time the former FG leader used the N word. Is there a cut-off point for things they pretend to be outraged at?


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    #285
    Hamsterchops
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    Normal One wrote: »
    He made no reference whatsoever to Mountbatten, and you well know that.

    I didn't ask you, and I know exactly where your sympathies lie already (in the gutter) and I'm sure you don't mourn Lord Mountbatten, or the fallout from his murder. Two Provo IRA attacks that day.

    Don't know why you call yourself the Normal One!

    KarlMarx can reply if he wishes.


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    #286
    Odhinn
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    Normal One wrote: »
    I wonder what the Taoiseach had to say about the time the former FG leader used the N word. Is there a cut-off point for things they pretend to be outraged at?




    Not when it comes to the shinners, no.


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    #287
    Triangle
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    Bowie wrote: »
    I think his tweet was a bit insulting. If Varadkar is insulted he should say sorry. It's as much aimed at taking the piss out of him for being a Tory.
    Of course the ones using it to score points simply aren't credible. Applaud Nurses then turn around and vote against paying student nurses for example.

    He was taking the piss out of Leos sexuality as well. There's no room for that especially from an elected rep.
    Only a person who looks down on others sexual preferences would do that.
    Just because a party supports gay rights doesn't mean a member does. He's shown his true colours with that tweet.


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    #288
    Normal One
    Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    I didn't ask you, and I know exactly where your sympathies lie already (in the gutter) and I'm sure you don't mourn Lord Mountbatten, or the fallout from his murder. Two Provo IRA attacks that day.

    Don't know why you call yourself the Normal One!

    KarlMarx can reply if he wishes.

    Ha, you think you get to choose who replies here?


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    #289
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/former-sinn-f%C3%A9in-member-apologises-for-anonymous-social-media-abuse-1.4327497

    An example and not the only one fair enough he apologised, however, no one ever seems to explain why they attract those sort of supporters in the first place, why do they feel emboldened to make the comments, why do they feel comfortable within SF that is the big question.


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    #290
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,904 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    mariaalice wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/former-sinn-f%C3%A9in-member-apologises-for-anonymous-social-media-abuse-1.4327497

    An example and not the only one fair enough he apologised, however, no one ever seems to explain why they attract those sort of supporters in the first place, why do they feel emboldened to make the comments, why do they feel comfortable within SF that is the big question.

    Why indeed. Why do they find comfort in any party. I think this guy is back in FG

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/senior-fine-gael-member-faces-suspension-over-abusive-tweets-wstktsc8h


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    #291
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why indeed. Why do they find comfort in any party. I think this guy is back in FG

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/senior-fine-gael-member-faces-suspension-over-abusive-tweets-wstktsc8h

    It's not about FG Its a question about SF


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    #292
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,904 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    mariaalice wrote: »
    It's not about FG Its a question about SF

    All parties have issues with members. The word you are missing (willfully maybe) is 'former' in that shinner article.


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    #293
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,194 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    More dishonesty and misrepresentation to peddle your agenda.

    I have certain principles. One of them is to call out dog-whistle racism and homophobia whenever I see it. Stanley’s tweet is a very good example of that as are the actions of certain posters around here. I won’t be shouted down by you trying to stop me pointing it out.


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    #294
    James Brown
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    It's not about FG Its a question about SF

    You seem to be making distinctions between members of SF and other parties. It's about policies I'd imagine.


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    #295
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,904 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I have certain principles. One of them is to call out dog-whistle racism and homophobia whenever I see it. Stanley’s tweet is a very good example of that as are the actions of certain posters around here. I won’t be shouted down by you trying to stop me pointing it out.

    But you don't call out anti women comments or fat shaming. I can show you posts where you actually downplayed what they were because they fat shamed a shinner.
    If somebody fat shamed a woman on twitter, what do you think would happen...around here you are ok with it.

    Forgive me for doubting your zeal and principles.


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    #296
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,194 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    But you don't call out anti women comments or fat shaming. I can show you posts where you actually downplayed what they were because they fat shamed a shinner.
    If somebody fat shamed a woman on twitter, what do you think would happen...around here you are ok with it.

    Forgive me for doubting your zeal and principles.

    Dig them out and prove it.


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    #297
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,904 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Dig them out and prove it.

    Prove what? That you ignore fat shaming of a specific female politician? The 'principled caller outer' should be able to link us to a post of his on the many SF threads where it routinely happens showing him calling it out in a principled way.


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    #298
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,194 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Prove what? That you ignore fat shaming of a specific female politician? The 'principled caller outer' should be able to link us to a post of his on the many SF threads where it routinely happens showing him calling it out in a principled way.

    So your problem is that for some reason somewhere I didn’t do something. It is always the same with you, attacking posters for what they didn’t say not for what they said. Or for what they didn’t claim rather than what they claimed.

    You have made a fool of yourself today, spending hours denying there was any reference to Varadkar in the tweet before being completely blown away by Stanley’s own admission of same.

    Do you know what? I don’t think I have called out every single example of discrimination against travellers either, but I never claimed I did.


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    #299
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,904 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    So your problem is that for some reason somewhere I didn’t do something. It is always the same with you, attacking posters for what they didn’t say not for what they said. Or for what they didn’t claim rather than what they claimed.

    Sorry blanch I didn't see where you used the words 'certain principles'.

    Certain principles if it's a shinner in the frame. Everyone else do the same kind of stuff gets ignored.

    Have you now.


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    #300
    batman75
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    KarlMarks wrote: »
    I'm a proud Irish Republican. Why would I want to apologise for the actions of the IRA (even though I sided more with the actions of another republican grouping and am a reluctant SF voter)? The British Army are a foreign army on this island and the PIRA carried out a succcesful action that struck right at the heart of the enemy. That is to be celebrated. Its you Free Staters who like to pick and choose which bits of history you celebrate who are the ones having to jump through hoops.

    Curious as to what you define as successful. The IRA failed in the ultimate objective which was to remove British governance from the island.


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    #301
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I have certain principles. One of them is to call out dog-whistle racism and homophobia whenever I see it. Stanley’s tweet is a very good example of that as are the actions of certain posters around here. I won’t be shouted down by you trying to stop me pointing it out.

    I'm sure you do. People lying to use the subjects of racism and homophobia to further an agenda disrespects and belittles genuine critics.


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