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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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    #842
    irishbucsfan
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    Why does everyone assume defense is a demotion? Bit of an outdated view surely. More than ever since the recent breakdown changes

    Farrell might take exception to that description of his old job


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    #843
    awec
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Why does everyone assume defense is a demotion? Bit of an outdated view surely. More than ever since the recent breakdown changes

    Farrell might take exception to that description of his old job

    Well it's a demotion since he's now essentially double jobbing with Farrell himself.


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    #844
    irishbucsfan
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    awec wrote: »
    Well it's a demotion since he's now essentially double jobbing with Farrell himself.

    Did they say that? So they've moved him to defense and Farrell is also going to keep working on that area? That seems totally bizarre and a complete waste of Farrell's time if true


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    #845
    Larbre34
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Why does everyone assume defense is a demotion? Bit of an outdated view surely. More than ever since the recent breakdown changes

    Farrell might take exception to that description of his old job

    It cannot be viewed as anything else. His forwards came up short in their contribution in 2020, especially in the set piece and now he isn't in charge of them anymore.

    Perhaps they haven't extended him at all and he will remain there just till June when he will be free to go into what will hopefully be an improving jobs market by then.


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    #846
    jm08
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    awec wrote: »
    After some Googling, it appears Easterby had a contract until June 2020.

    Given he's still around, I would assume he was renewed. Whoever signed off on that, now that he's been demoted, should have to answer some very hard questions.


    Easterby was also Defence Coach as well as Forwards Coach (according to article in 42.ie).


    I don't know why people are so critical of POC as forwards coach. Didn't Gatland keep him on on the Lions Tour to continue coaching the Lineout when he got injured (which was seemingly very unusual as once you were injured you were sent home).


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    #847
    awec
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Did they say that? So they've moved him to defense and Farrell is also going to keep working on that area? That seems totally bizarre and a complete waste of Farrell's time if true

    They didn’t say it but it’s hard to see what else Farrell does.


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    #848
    irishbucsfan
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    awec wrote: »
    They didn’t say it but it’s hard to see what else Farrell does.

    Farrell is head coach, unless I've missed something!


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    #849
    irishbucsfan
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    It cannot be viewed as anything else.

    Well, no. It definitely can


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    #850
    awec
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Farrell is head coach, unless I've missed something!

    He is head coach, but unless I am mistaken head coaches are not just the boss of the other coaches and generally have a specific coaching responsibility on top of their management role.

    Like Ireland had no specific attack coach under Schmidt. Then Catt came in when he left.

    Ireland had no defence coach under Farrell. Now they do. So either Farrell is doing something else (what exactly, since we have a forwards and defence coach), or else Easterby is now double jobbing.

    Either way, it's an odd move. It smells like a bit of a fudge, they want to make changes, but can't really make real changes.


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    #851
    Synode
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    awec wrote: »
    He is head coach, but unless I am mistaken head coaches are not just the boss of the other coaches and generally have a specific coaching responsibility on top of their management role.

    Like Ireland had no specific attack coach under Schmidt. Then Catt came in when he left.

    Ireland had no defence coach under Farrell. Now they do. So either Farrell is doing something else (what exactly, since we have a forwards and defence coach), or else Easterby is now double jobbing.

    Either way, it's an odd move. It smells like a bit of a fudge, they want to make changes, but can't really make real changes.


    Happens in football all the time i.e. managers with no coaching responsibilities


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    #852
    Squidgy Black
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    awec wrote: »
    He is head coach, but unless I am mistaken head coaches are not just the boss of the other coaches and generally have a specific coaching responsibility on top of their management role.

    Like Ireland had no specific attack coach under Schmidt. Then Catt came in when he left.

    Ireland had no defence coach under Farrell. Now they do. So either Farrell is doing something else (what exactly, since we have a forwards and defence coach), or else Easterby is now double jobbing.

    Either way, it's an odd move. It smells like a bit of a fudge, they want to make changes, but can't really make real changes.

    No not really, that's just the setup we had for a long time under Joe. Eddie Jones and Wayne Pivac have a similar setup in that they've other coaches to cover them.


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    #853
    irishbucsfan
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    awec wrote: »
    He is head coach, but unless I am mistaken head coaches are not just the boss of the other coaches and generally have a specific coaching responsibility on top of their management role.

    Like Ireland had no attack coach under Schmidt.

    I don't think Farrell has been in charge of our defense for a long time now.

    Even if he is, that's mistaken. Look at England as an example there.


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    #854
    awec
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I don't think Farrell has been in charge of our defense for a long time now.

    Even if he is, that's mistaken. Look at England as an example there.

    Who has been taking our defence, if not Farrell?


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    #855
    irishbucsfan
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    awec wrote: »
    Who has been taking our defence, if not Farrell?

    I just looked it up, and according to this article, Easterby


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    #856
    awec
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I just looked it up, and according to this article, Easterby

    Oh goody.


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    #857
    The Lost Sheep
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    awec wrote: »
    He is head coach, but unless I am mistaken head coaches are not just the boss of the other coaches and generally have a specific coaching responsibility on top of their management role.

    Like Ireland had no attack coach under Schmidt.
    Not always. Depends on what the head coach prefers to do.. Eddie Jones has forwards, backs, defence and attack coaches under him. Same with New Zealand having all those unit coaches under foster.


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    #858
    shootermacg
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    I like the idea of investing in one of our own.


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    #859
    molloyjh
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    I do love how quick people are to crap all over, blame and/or other people. Finger pointing is great lads, isnt it.


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    #860
    Larbre34
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Well, no. It definitely can

    No, it cannot.

    He's in the departure lounge. The delay to June is token decency.


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    #861
    TRC10
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    I dont think it's as bad an appointment as people are making it out to be. Two things that O'Connell will almost certainly improve are Lineout and Maul, 2 areas where we are extremely weak currently.

    He will also be a good mentor for our young locks like Ryan, Baird and Ahern.

    Also worth noting that Steve Borthwick had 0 coaching experience before he became Japans forwards coach. O'Connell does have experience with the U20s and Stade Francais.

    He will also help to build a team culture through his unique personality and the fact that he is a hugely respected figure in Irish Rugby.

    We didn't have a forwards coach and badly needed one. Now we have one, who I think can bring a lot to the table. This is a good thing.


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    #862
    irishbucsfan
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    No, it cannot.

    He's in the departure lounge. The delay to June is token decency.

    You've gone from 'perhaps they've extended his contract' to 'they've definitely given him a 1 year extension after which he's definitely getting fired!' :pac:


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    #863
    Larbre34
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    You've gone from 'perhaps they've extended his contract' to 'they've definitely given him a 1 year extension after which he's definitely getting fired!' :pac:

    You're mixing me up with someone else. I said earlier I didn't think it likely that they have extended his contract beyond June, because that is my take on it.

    I said nothing at all today about a 1 year extension or anything like it.


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    #864
    irishbucsfan
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You're mixing me up with someone else. I said earlier I didn't think it likely that they have extended his contract beyond June, because that is my take on it.

    I said nothing at all today about a 1 year extension or anything like it.

    Ah right OK I think I see what happened there sorry

    He had a contract until June 2020, so this June would be June 2021


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    #865
    OneLungDavy
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    I do love how quick people are to crap all over, blame and/or other people. Finger pointing is great lads, isnt it.
    It's crazy isn't it? I read the story today and felt nothing but optimism at the appointment, mainly because it means we have two specialist coaches now covering forwards and defence. Then I come to boards and it's all doom and gloom.


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    #866
    awec
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    OneLungDavy wrote: »
    It's crazy isn't it? I read the story today and felt nothing but optimism at the appointment, mainly because it means we have two specialist coaches now covering forwards and defence. Then I come to boards and it's all doom and gloom.

    It’s hardly doom and gloom.

    It is a somewhat strange notion that everyone should automatically be happy at everything that happens. Like having anything other than a completely neutral opinion on everything is unreasonable.

    Ireland have been mediocre under Farrell. We’ve appointed another coach with a mediocre record. Some people have concerns. It is surely unsurprising.


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    #867
    molloyjh
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    awec wrote: »
    It is a somewhat strange notion that everyone should automatically be happy at everything that happens.

    Its good then that nobody has ever said anything of the sort.


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    #868
    awec
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Its good then that nobody has ever said anything of the sort.

    Well there seems to be a fair bit of complaining about people not being too excited, as if it's entirely unreasonable or without any merit at all.


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    #869
    molloyjh
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    awec wrote: »
    Well there seems to be a fair bit of complaining about people not being too excited, as if it's entirely unreasonable or without any merit at all.

    I haven't seen much of that. I've seen people reacting (as I have) to over the top criticism of Easterby, the POC appointment, Farrell and Nucifora.

    Its an odd appointment. POC doesn't have a good CV. I'd be on the skeptical side of the fence on it too. I'm not calling for Easterbys head or telling Nucifora that we're watching him or anything like that.


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    #870
    jm08
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    Declan Kidney on hearing of the appointment:


    "I'd be a bit worried for the Ireland squad, they probably don't know what's going to come their way,” Kidney said with tongue only slightly in cheek during his weekly press conference as London Irish director of rugby.
    “Paul will be great for them. I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall for some of the meetings."


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-40202693.html


    And Ronan O'Gara:


    Paul is a very inspiring fella, an inspiring person to play with and work alongside. He will provide forensic attention to detail



    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-40202918.html


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    #871
    bilston
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    POC will command respect, I seem to remember he was very much a details kind of guy as a player, therefore he could really help our lineout.

    The reason it's a bit surprising is that his record isn't amazing, but then as far as his record with the U20s is concerned, was he involved with any good sides? From memory we were quite poor at that level in 2017 and 2018? And who knows what went on at Stade. That said it is a bit of a punt to throw him straight in with Ireland. But he is in situ now, so good luck to him. I'm sure he'll have some new ideas, and he'll be a bit of a hero to many of the current squad, so they will listen to him and take in his guidance.


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