Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

ineedeuro · 26-06-2021 4:11pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Kendelen is small, about 6 foot, if the stats are to be believed. Penny is smaller?

Maybe, I don’t think we should automatically discount players on height, unless we are South Africa of course

theVersatile · 26-06-2021 4:32pm

Both Munster and Ireland have Kendo listed at 6'2 - and I don't think that's inflated

bilston · 26-06-2021 4:51pm

Former Former Former wrote: »

Jesus lads.

Let's wait and see if these guys are actually good enough to play test level. Then let's see if the 6 and 8 we have on Lions duty might want their jerseys back after the summer.

THEN we can start glassing each other over who should play 8.

Conan has been excellent for the Lions today. Right now I'd expect him to start at 8 for Ireland in November

Podge_irl · 26-06-2021 4:55pm

bilston wrote: »

Conan has been excellent for the Lions today. Right now I'd expect him to start at 8 for Ireland in November

I'd expect him to start at 8 in South Africa!

I think Doris is the better all-round player, or at least has a higher ceiling, but its impossible to ignore the form that Conan is in now.

shootermacg · 26-06-2021 5:00pm

bilston wrote: »

Conan has been excellent for the Lions today. Right now I'd expect him to start at 8 for Ireland in November

Must have been watching a different game, he did nothing of note to me. Caught a few restarts, did some tackling - did I miss something?

Biggar and Ken Owens were my MotM picks.

irishbucsfan · 26-06-2021 5:01pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Must have been watching a different game, he did nothing of note to me. Caught a few restarts, did some tackling - did I miss something?

Biggar and Ken Owens were my MotM picks.

Definitely had a turnover at least and carried very well

Clegg · 26-06-2021 5:08pm

Conan played pretty well today. Provided his injury isn't serious I think he'll be threatening Faletau's starting spot for the opening test.

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1408793893894819840?s=09

thomond2006 · 26-06-2021 5:13pm

Fascinating game next week. Japan showed they can play at a blistering pace.

TRC10 · 26-06-2021 5:31pm

bilston wrote: »

Conan has been excellent for the Lions today. Right now I'd expect him to start at 8 for Ireland in November

6-Beirne
7-Connors
8-Conan
Would be Ireland's best backrow currently

KBurke85 · 26-06-2021 5:36pm

TRC10 wrote: »

6-Beirne
7-Connors
8-Conan
Would be Ireland's best backrow currently

No because two of them are on the lions tour and unavailable for Ireland ðŸ˜‚

bilston · 26-06-2021 5:43pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Must have been watching a different game

Sounds like it!

stephen_n · 26-06-2021 6:13pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Must have been watching a different game, he did nothing of note to me. Caught a few restarts, did some tackling - did I miss something?

Biggar and Ken Owens were my MotM picks.

I would suggest specsavers, those tinted glasses aren’t working very well for you.

bilston · 26-06-2021 6:15pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Fascinating game next week. Japan showed they can play at a blistering pace.

As much as I love to see it, they need to learn to be a bit more pragmatic. They can run the ball as well as anyone inside the opposition half, but running from their own 22 is difficult to execute

ineedeuro · 26-06-2021 6:42pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Must have been watching a different game, he did nothing of note to me. Caught a few restarts, did some tackling - did I miss something?

Biggar and Ken Owens were my MotM picks.

He had an excellent game before going off so no idea what game you watched

Podge_irl · 26-06-2021 6:44pm

bilston wrote: »

As much as I love to see it, they need to learn to be a bit more pragmatic. They can run the ball as well as anyone inside the opposition half, but running from their own 22 is difficult to execute

It is, though against an Irish team missing their top players its something that has a shot at succeeding.

Our defence out wide will certainly be tested which is no bad thing.

shootermacg · 26-06-2021 7:46pm

stephen_n wrote: »

I would suggest specsavers, those tinted glasses aren’t working very well for you.

I'm sorry, but I'd expected more from that pack. The SA pack literally walked through Japan in the second half of their game in the WC.

I didn't see much domination from the Lions selection. In fact Japan grew into the game.

Podge_irl · 26-06-2021 8:03pm

shootermacg wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I'd expected more from that pack. The SA pack literally walked through Japan in the second half of their game in the WC.

I didn't see much domination from the Lions selection. In fact Japan grew into the game.

Yet somehow managed to only go in at half time 8-3 up.

Unsurprisingly it is easier to more aggressively attack a team when you are in the QF of a world cup, the game is close and you have had a couple of months playing together.

This game was close to dead at half time, the Lions having utterly dominated, and they had a lot of injury disruptions and of course ended up playing with 14 men for the last 15 min or so. Of course Japan grew into the game.

26-06-2021 8:05pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Must have been watching a different game, he did nothing of note to me. Caught a few restarts, did some tackling - did I miss something?

Biggar and Ken Owens were my MotM picks.

But Conan wasn't even wearing blue this time, not sure how you missed it :pac:

Clegg · 26-06-2021 8:06pm

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an element of the players minding themselves after 50 minutes. The game was essentially finished as a going concern and they'd already seen two teammates go off injured.

The players who needed to impress did just that in the first half. And there was a decent cameo from Sinkler. Job done.

TRC10 · 26-06-2021 8:12pm

Clegg wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an element of the players minding themselves in the second half. The game was essentially finished as a going concern and they'd already seen two teammates go off injured.

Probably, even if it was subconscious. Especially after seeing AWJ and Tipuric go off early.

I was actually amazed at HT at just how fluid, cohesive and high quality the performance was. Sure the game died a bit in the 2nd half but the game was won. I wouldn't worry about that too much. The 1st game in NZ was against a thrown together team of semi pros and the performance was brutal and we barely won.

As far as performance goes, a very positive game.

P.Walnuts · 26-06-2021 8:17pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Must have been watching a different game, he did nothing of note to me. Caught a few restarts, did some tackling - did I miss something?

Biggar and Ken Owens were my MotM picks.

Let's just say he did absolutely nothing, no carries, no tackles.....Four turnovers would still qualify as "something of note"

It's posts like this that leaves your credibility as a contributor on this forum in tatters

Burkie1203 · 26-06-2021 8:21pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Must have been watching a different game, he did nothing of note to me. Caught a few restarts, did some tackling - did I miss something?

Biggar and Ken Owens were my MotM picks.

16 carries for 36m
4 turnovers

You missed loads.

Did you even watch the game?

Edit - Last august when Stander won 3 turnovers v Leinster in Aviva you described Stander as the best forward on the pitch for doing so.

Neil3030 · 26-06-2021 9:40pm

shootermacg wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I'd expected more from that pack. The SA pack literally walked through Japan in the second half of their game in the WC.

I didn't see much domination from the Lions selection. In fact Japan grew into the game.

Saw nothing from the pack, but Ken Owens was one of your picks for MOTM?

shootermacg · 26-06-2021 10:15pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Saw nothing from the pack, but Ken Owens was one of your picks for MOTM?

When your hooker is the pick of the pack, it says a lot about the back 5.

nerd69 · 26-06-2021 10:16pm

shootermacg wrote: »

When your hooker is the pick of the pack, it says a lot about the back 5.

Does it? Why?

Richie_Rich89 · 26-06-2021 10:39pm

Gatland obviously doesn't see it with Ryan. His thinking is probably that you need more beef when you're going up against the SA locks and PSdT.

Ryan not having as much of an impact as in 2018 is a strange one. He's heavier now, probably, but seems less effective.

P.Walnuts · 26-06-2021 10:41pm

shootermacg wrote: »

When your hooker is the pick of the pack, it says a lot about the back 5.

You are embarrassing yourself

shootermacg · 26-06-2021 10:47pm

P.Walnuts wrote: »

You are embarrassing yourself

Nope, I'd have to respect you enough to feel embarrassed. That's not going to happen in this lifetime.

Clegg · 26-06-2021 10:47pm

James Ryan has picked up an injury and won't be available for the Japan game at the least. Very frustrating as I'm sure he was hoping to put a bad season behind him and lay down a marker for the next one.

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1408903120952905732?s=09

shootermacg · 26-06-2021 10:51pm

Clegg wrote: »

James Ryan has picked up an injury and won't be available for the Japan game at the least. Very frustrating as I'm shire.he was hoping to put a bad season behind him and lay down a marker for the next one.

https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1408903120952905732?s=09

Kleyn will slot right in there np

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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