The Vaccine

runawaybishop

GT89 wrote: »

I don't help spread covid anymore than most people

That's what they want you to think.

drunkmonkey

NewMan1982 wrote: »

I wear a mask to limit the risk of me passing on the virus unknowingly.

How will you pass on something you have no symptom of? We went into this thinking an 80% chance of asymptomatic transmission, the current estimate is 17%, still an estimate as pcr testing can't tell if you have an active virus regardless of how low a cycle they use.
The odds of you passing this on while feeling healthy are pretty much non existent.

nino1

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How will you pass on something you have no symptom of? We went into this thinking an 80% chance of asymptomatic transmission, the current estimate is 17%, still an estimate as pcr testing can't tell if you have an active virus regardless of how low a cycle they use.
The odds of you passing this on while feeling healthy are pretty much non existent.

Not true.
The revision of 80% to 17% is the number of asymptomatic cases and has nothing to do with the transmission rate.
The 17% figure could in fact be much higher as it is limited by heterogeneity in case definitions and a high percentage of the people who are originally classified as asymptomatic that go on to become symptomatic.
In terms of the transmission there is a 42% lower relative risk of asymptomatic transmssion compared to symptomatic transmission so that is hardly "non-existent"

GT89

runawaybishop wrote: »

That's what they want you to think.

As I already said I wear a mask so I'm doing my bit if you like.

Atlantic Dawn

If you get a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission can you later get a proper vaccine that does or are you lifetime commited to the initial lucky bag thrash you were given?

storker

Quiner wrote: »

I never understand why people think there couldn't possibly be collusion.

I don't think anyone has claimed that there couldn't possibly be collusion. What's happening is that conspiracy theorists are confidently stating that yep, no doubt about it, there definitely is collusion but when pressed for information on what form the collusion is taking, or indeed its purpose, they take evasive action.

And that's before we even start to think about evidence. :rolleyes:

storker

GT89 wrote: »

As I already said I wear a mask so I'm doing my bit if you like.

If you're not washing your hands then no, you're not doing your bit.

storker

GT89 wrote: »

So it is a plandemic not a pandemic

So because there's a plan and a timeline for the distribution of the vaccine, this means that the whole outbreak was faked?

Have you any evidence for this assertion?

(Fingers crossed that after 2,500+ posts, someone claiming that it's all a conspiracy will actually put together a coherent claim based on reasoned argument using supportive evidence.)

"The truth conspiracy theory is out there...somewhere..."

Quiner

storker wrote: »

I don't think anyone has claimed that there couldn't possibly be collusion. What's happening is that conspiracy theorists are confidently stating that yep, no doubt about it, there definitely is collusion but when pressed for information on what form the collusion is taking, or indeed its purpose, they take evasive action.

And that's before we even start to think about evidence. :rolleyes:

I'll reply to your post in the Great Reset thread.

drunkmonkey

storker wrote: »

"The truth conspiracy theory is out there...somewhere..."

King Mob

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Lol. Trump is the only one telling the truth?
That's hilarious.

It's more like the same guy who stared directly into the sun during an eclipse just likes to ignore experts in favour of his own ignorance and bluster.

drunkmonkey

King Mob wrote: »

Lol. Trump is the only one telling the truth?
That's hilarious.

Well who's one of the big winners in all this, who created a false panic? Who faked mass burial pits, suicides in the street, people collapsing with blood out of their eyes, welding people into their homes and who now doesn't have a mask mandate in a land where the pubs and clubs are open.

King Mob

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Well who's one of the big winners in all this,

Well not Trump for one.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

who created a false panic? Who faked mass burial pits, suicides in the street, people collapsing with blood out of their eyes, welding people into their homes and who now doesn't have a mask mandate in a land where the pubs and clubs are open.

What are you talking about. None of this makes any sense and just seems to be hyperbolic ranting.

drunkmonkey

King Mob wrote: »

Well not Trump for one.


What are you talking about. None of this makes any sense and just seems to be hyperbolic ranting.

Certainly not Trump, remember images like this, it never happened, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dead-in-the-street-the-image-that-captures-the-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis

Dohnjoe

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Jesus christ..

He literally caught Covid, so did many close to him including his wife. This man also suggested people should inject detergent.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Certainly not Trump, remember images like this, it never happened, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dead-in-the-street-the-image-that-captures-the-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis

Got any proof it didn't happen? They don't even say he died of covid in the article. They do state that there's huge paranoia over the virus hence the hazmat style suits. So do you think he was pretending to be dead?

King Mob

drunkmonkey wrote: »

remember images like this, it never happened, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dead-in-the-street-the-image-that-captures-the-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis

Ok. You're claiming that this picture is faked?

Based on what evidence?
What has this to do with Trump being too dumb to wear a mask?
And what has any of this to do with the vaccines?

To me kinda just sounds like you're throwing out any old bull**** to avoid the fact you don't have any valid, rational point.

King Mob

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Jesus christ..

He literally caught Covid, so did many close to him including his wife. This man also suggested people should inject detergent.

Here he is telling us all those experts who tell you not to look directly into the Sun are actually just part of a conspiracy to prevent people getting enough vitamin D to make them immune to the virus.

Trigger

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Certainly not Trump, remember images like this, it never happened, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dead-in-the-street-the-image-that-captures-the-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis

OK.. and how is this linked to a conspiracy theory about the vaccines?

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

Got any proof it didn't happen? They don't even say he died of covid in the article. They do state that there's huge paranoia over the virus hence the hazmat style suits. So do you think he was pretending to be dead?

Well if he's dead wearing what looks like an N95 mask your facecloth isn't up to much, very good of him to pose so well for the shot. I don't believe people were dropping dead in the streets, do you?

China played the world for fools, a blind man can see that, so much media out of there was fake. They created Hysteria and we've bought into on the back of the WHO's test, test, test your way out of this plan, we can never test our way out of this that's the catch.

Riddle me this, we give all the nursing home patients the vaccine, do we then stop testing them as they can't have died with covid, we know PCR can't tell a live covid infection from the ghosts of one so what happens..this whole thing will unravel yet and testing will be the cause of it.

robinph

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Trump looking like a fool

So if Trump is the only person who has the access to the Intel about the conspiracy, this is ignoring the fact that other US government bodies will have had to provide him with that intel but somehow those bodies are unable to have put together the whole picture because for some reason you think they don't communicate with each other...

So Trump is the only person with all the information...
What exactly is it that he's trying to tell us?
Why did he not let his intelligence agencies know about the conspiracy that he's managed to put together?
Why are the CDC, NSA, FBI, WHO and Paw Patrol not talking to each other?
Are all these agencies in on the conspiracy? If so why has Trump not stated that they are all in on it and launched an investigation into why they are lying to us?
How is him standing around not wearing a mask at a football match telling us anything?
What is the message and how come he can't articulate it with words rather than by not wearing a mask? How come you have figured out this conspiracy, but you also can't actually articulate it and who is behind it?
How did you get access to these intel briefings that Trump has access to and have also apparently managed to figure out the conspiracy...yet are unable to tell us what it is?

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Well if he's dead wearing what looks like an N95 mask your facecloth isn't up to much, very good of him to pose so well for the shot. I don't believe people were dropping dead in the streets, do you?

China played the world for fools, a blind man can see that, so much media out of there was fake. They created Hysteria and we've bought into on the back of the WHO's test, test, test your way out of this plan, we can never test our way out of this that's the catch.

Riddle me this, we give all the nursing home patients the vaccine, do we then stop testing them as they can't have died with covid, we know PCR can't tell a live covid infection from the ghosts of one so what happens..this whole thing will unravel yet and testing will be the cause of it.

Where in the article does it say he died of covid? So far I'm only seeing you claiming it... It highlights the paranoia more than anything..

drunkmonkey

robinph wrote: »

So if Trump is the only person who has the access to the Intel about the conspiracy, this is ignoring the fact that other US government bodies will have had to provide him with that intel but somehow those bodies are unable to have put together the whole picture because for some reason you think they don't communicate with each other...

So Trump is the only person with all the information...
What exactly is it that he's trying to tell us?
Why did he not let his intelligence agencies know about the conspiracy that he's managed to put together?
Why are the CDC, NSA, FBI, WHO and Paw Patrol not talking to each other?
Are all these agencies in on the conspiracy? If so why has Trump not stated that they are all in on it and launched an investigation into why they are lying to us?
How is him standing around not wearing a mask at a football match telling us anything?
What is the message and how come he can't articulate it with words rather than by not wearing a mask? How come you have figured out this conspiracy, but you also can't actually articulate it and who is behind it?
How did you get access to these intel briefings that Trump has access to and have also apparently managed to figure out the conspiracy...yet are unable to tell us what it is?

The same intelligence agencies that lied to the world back in 2003, it's not their place to get involved. Don't expect them to whistleblow.
China is behind it, they've used it to their advantage on numerous fronts. They're not alone though, even here we've taken advantage of it, Simon and Tony have used it to control the narrative, stop public protest by asking facebook to shut down large irish groups that dare utter any dissent or try to mobilise, the internal travel ban is to stop a critical mass of protesters hitting the streets of Dublin. The anti alcohol agenda is blatant in all this.

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

Where in the article does it say he died of covid? So far I'm only seeing you claiming it... It highlights the paranoia more than anything..

What's the point of showing us someone lying in the street supposedly dead in a report about Covid if it's nothing to do with Covid like your suggesting, really grasping at straws to say the picture is not related to the story.

Timberrrrrrrr

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The same intelligence agencies that lied to the world back in 2003, it's not their place to get involved. Don't expect them to whistleblow.
China is behind it, they've used it to their advantage on numerous fronts. They're not alone though, even here we've taken advantage of it, Simon and Tony have used it to control the narrative, stop public protest by asking facebook to shut down large irish groups that dare utter any dissent or try to mobilise, the internal travel ban is to stop a critical mass of protesters hitting the streets of Dublin. The anti alcohol agenda is blatant in all this.

Hows that working for them?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%25C3%25AD-investigate-how-dublin-anti-mask-protest-was-organised-1.4337085%3fmode=amp

Fighting Tao

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What's the point of showing us someone lying in the street supposedly dead in a report about Covid if it's nothing to do with Covid like your suggesting, really grasping at straws to say the picture is not related to the story.

There are 3 people in the photo. 2 certainly are to do with covid. The third is on the ground dead with a mask. It may have been put him by medics as even dead bodies can carry covid.

You read far too much into ****e.

robinph

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The same intelligence agencies that lied to the world back in 2003, it's not their place to get involved. Don't expect them to whistleblow.
China is behind it, they've used it to their advantage on numerous fronts. They're not alone though, even here we've taken advantage of it, Simon and Tony have used it to control the narrative, stop public protest by asking facebook to shut down large irish groups that dare utter any dissent or try to mobilise, the internal travel ban is to stop a critical mass of protesters hitting the streets of Dublin. The anti alcohol agenda is blatant in all this.

So if China is behind it, then why is Trump the only person in power worldwide to know this?
Why have no other western intelligence agencies figured this out? If the US agencies are the ones passing the information to Trump so that he could figure it out (and so that you could figure it out) how come the UK agencies didn't also get that information, what about the French intelligence agencies, Australian, etc... or what about the Brazilian government? How come only Bolsanaro seems to be aware of the conspiracy by China in Brazil? What about Russia, are they aware that China is conspiring against them? Do they not have reason to shout it from the rooftops that it's all a hoax by China?
Is North Korea in on it as well with China, or are China also using the coronavirus hoax against them?

Lets say for a second that it is all down to a conspiracy from China and somehow only Trump (and you) know about it. How are the rest of the worlds governments and intelligence agencies all suddenly so leakproof and nothing has been said by any of them to anyone? Is it only the US agencies that have this information? How have they managed to keep it from other countries, various of whom will have direct access into the US systems at different levels?

drunkmonkey

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Hows that working for them?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%25C3%25AD-investigate-how-dublin-anti-mask-protest-was-organised-1.4337085%3fmode=amp

Very well, most groups shut down as soon as they reappear, it's like the Government are afraid to let people exercise their right to protest. Straight out of the China playbook.

Timberrrrrrrr

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Very well, most groups shut down as soon as they reappear, it's like the Government are afraid to let people exercise their right to protest. Straight out of the China playbook.

The government didn't close the groups though, Facebook, twitter etc did the responsible thing and closed them because (in case you hadn't noticed) there is a global pandemic going on.

runawaybishop

Trump is a criminal and a grifter, why would we believe anything he says?