The Vaccine

robinph

Lex Luthor wrote: »

no cause for concern then :rolleyes:

Which bit of them sitting around for 6 months doing nothing but waiting for the next round of funding to be agreed would make you feel safer about the vaccines?

Lex Luthor

robinph wrote: »

They are not certain about if the vaccines will work for the new mutations, although likely they will as the changes don't affect what the vaccine work with apparently.

you sound like Ronan Glynn, we are not buying that line either

King Mob

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They're bigger killers, why no global effort, no operation warp speed, no daily reporting of deaths and positive tests.
Hopefully if these covid vaccine trials work out ok, they may be able to use mRNA to combat likes of cancer.

Also, heart disease and cancer are not singular issues for which one particular solution can be applied.

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

no cause for concern then :rolleyes:

Correct. You've not shown any. And you ahve to be very dishonest and very ignorant to pretend that there is.

Lex Luthor

robinph wrote: »

Which bit of them sitting around for 6 months doing nothing but waiting for the next round of funding to be agreed would make you feel safer about the vaccines?

Nothing

robinph

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Nothing

So your problem withe the vaccines is what exactly?

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Nothing

So then if they cut that part out of the process, it wouldn't effect the quality of the studies.

What's your issue?

GT89

robinph wrote: »

They are not contagious though.

Still kill people though

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

Correct. You've not shown any. And you ahve to be very dishonest and very ignorant to pretend that there is.

Cool
apart from the information given as one example of the normal timelines for vaccine trials being side stepped to rush it through

robinph

GT89 wrote: »

Still kill people though

And what has cancer or heart disease potential treatment got to do with your problems with a covid vaccine?

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

So then if they cut that part out of the process, it wouldn't effect the quality of the studies.

What's your issue?

apart from the obvious

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.


Exploratory Stage
This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.


Pre-Clinical Stage
The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years


Plus phase 1, 2 & 3 trials


all that compressed into a few months

No concerns there at all;)

They wont tell you this on RTE, god forbid the sheep start to twig something might smell fishy

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Cool
apart from the information given as one example of the normal timelines for vaccine trials being side stepped to rush it through

Which is something you are misrepresenting because you constantly do this.

Again, you're failing to show anything but how ridiculous, weak and dishonest the covid denialist position is here.

GT89

robinph wrote: »

And what has cancer or heart disease potential treatment got to do with your problems with a covid vaccine?

Why is a cure/vaccine for covid looked for as a matter urgency in order to protect public health but not a cure for cancer. Why are there restrictions to prevent the spread of covid but not restrictions to prevent cancer. Maybe we should ban the sale of alcohol, tobacco and junk food until a cure/vaccine for cancer is found we know these things all contribute to cancer so why not ban them until a cure/vaccine is found at the end of the day public health is paramount.

King Mob

Lex Luthor wrote: »

apart from the obvious

They wont tell you this on RTE, god forbid the sheep start to twig something might smell fishy

Again, misrepresentation, lies and ignorance.

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Why is a cure/vaccine for covid looked for as a matter urgency in order to protect public health but not a cure for cancer. Why are there restrictions to prevent the spread of covid but not restrictions to prevent cancer. Maybe we should ban the sale of alcohol, tobacco and junk food until a cure/vaccine for cancer is found we know these things all contribute to cancer so why not ban them until a cure/vaccine is found at the end of the day public health is paramount.

Again: "I don't understand something complex. Therefore it must be a giant global conspiracy."

robinph

GT89 wrote: »

Why is a cure/vaccine for covid looked for as a matter urgency in order to protect public health but not a cure for cancer. Why are there restrictions to prevent the spread of covid but not restrictions to prevent cancer. Maybe we should ban the sale of alcohol, tobacco and junk food until a cure/vaccine for cancer is found we know these things all contribute to cancer so why not ban them until a cure/vaccine is found at the end of the day public health is paramount.

I'm sure I mentioned in a previous post, but cancer and heart disease are not contagious whilst coronavirus is.

What are you not understanding?

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

apart from the obvious

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.


Exploratory Stage
This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years.


Pre-Clinical Stage
The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years


Plus phase 1, 2 & 3 trials


all that compressed into a few months

No concerns there at all;)

They wont tell you this on RTE, god forbid the sheep start to twig something might smell fishy

Why would you look to RTE to research something like that? Remember the part where it's a worldwide thing and most of the world have never heard of or watched Rte?
I think this would be a better source of information:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.medicalnewstoday.com/amp/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly

I'll even give you a spoiler from the article

"Researchers were not starting from scratch when they learned about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."

Timberrrrrrrr

GT89 wrote: »

Why is a cure/vaccine for covid looked for as a matter urgency in order to protect public health but not a cure for cancer. Why are there restrictions to prevent the spread of covid but not restrictions to prevent cancer. Maybe we should ban the sale of alcohol, tobacco and junk food until a cure/vaccine for cancer is found we know these things all contribute to cancer so why not ban them until a cure/vaccine is found at the end of the day public health is paramount.

If you get covid and enter a room you risk infecting everyone in that room.

If you get cancer/heart disease and enter the same room you don't risk anyone else's life.

Its not that hard to understand.

King Mob

Oh and there was a vaccine for a type of cancer. It was the HPV vaccine.
Conspiracy theorists also made up false claims about that too.

porsche boy

GT89 wrote: »

Why is a cure/vaccine for covid looked for as a matter urgency in order to protect public health but not a cure for cancer. Why are there restrictions to prevent the spread of covid but not restrictions to prevent cancer. Maybe we should ban the sale of alcohol, tobacco and junk food until a cure/vaccine for cancer is found we know these things all contribute to cancer so why not ban them until a cure/vaccine is found at the end of the day public health is paramount.

the COVID-19 strain has as of today got two variants and is easy to find a vaccine for that (in relative terms). Cancer is an umberella term for mutation cells in the body, many various types of cancer are out there, some suceptable to medications others suceptable to radiation or chemo some cant een be slowed down. I do agree with you, banning the sale of alcohol & tobacco will lower the cases of lung or esophagal cancers dramastically but, would you be interested in prohibition??



As a constructive discussion on this subject I have to say you dont seem to know many of the facts, or you are intentionally misconstruding them to support your point of view.

GT89

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If you get covid and enter a room you risk infecting everyone in that room.

If you get cancer/heart disease and enter the same room you don't risk anyone else's life.

Its not that hard to understand.

Not the point pubs and restaurants are closed because it is considered risky for public health as they risk spreading covid as people gather. Junk food, alcohol and tobacco are causing cancer so they should be banned too by the logic of closing pubs and preventing gatherings.

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Not the point pubs and restaurants are closed because it is considered risky for public health as they risk spreading covid as people gather. Junk food, alcohol and tobacco are causing cancer so they should be banned too by the logic of closing pubs and preventing gatherings.

But in one large gather where someone with covid attends, how many more people will get infected by covid than will develop cancer from drinking beer at that gathering?

Do be honest, this type of questioning seems very silly and childish. As in these are questions a child would be asking.

GT89

GT89 wrote: »

Not the point pubs and restaurants are closed because it is considered risky for public health as they risk spreading covid as people gather. Junk food, alcohol and tobacco are causing cancer so they should be banned too by the logic of closing pubs and preventing gatherings.

Junk food isn't highly contagious... The other two have multiple restrictions that apply to them because of public health.. Also not contagious obviously.

US2

robinph wrote: »

I'm sure I mentioned in a previous post, but cancer and heart disease are not contagious whilst coronavirus is.

What are you not understanding?

The flu is contagious. This day last year we had 600 in hospital and 94 in ICU with flu. Why didn't they impose any restrictions last year ?

GT89

King Mob wrote: »

But in one large gather where someone with covid attends, how many more people will get infected by covid than will develop cancer from drinking beer at that gathering?

Do be honest, this type of questioning seems very silly and childish. As in these are questions a child would be asking.

But covid doesn't effect everyone majority of people either experience mild symptoms or no symptoms at all only very few people who contract covid end requiring medical assistance. The same is true about alcohol, tobacco consumption and eating unhealthy foods only few will require medical intervention due to it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

US2 wrote: »

The flu is contagious. This day last year we had 600 in hospital and 94 in ICU with flu. Why didn't they impose any restrictions last year ?

Strangely zero flu cases this year.

King Mob

US2 wrote: »

The flu is contagious. This day last year we had 600 in hospital and 94 in ICU with flu. Why didn't they impose any restrictions last year ?

You tell us.
You clearly want to make my point. Don't ask silly rhetorical questions and just state your position.

Why do you believe there is less cases of the flu?

Also could you explain what this has to do with the vaccine?
Do you have any evidence that the vaccine is dangerous?

US2

Covid is the flu, just rebranded.

King Mob

US2 wrote: »

Covid is the flu, just rebranded.

Ok. That's just plainly untrue and complete nonsense.

US2

US2 wrote: »

Covid is the flu, just rebranded.

Just not seasonal and far more deadly and virulent? So not the flu at all...