Biofarm 2020

Water John

Must have a further look at the Soilkee. Seemed to me to be similar to strip tilling and CJ also said that today. It's priced at €56K, wondering is that a mistake?

Birdnuts

Birdnuts wrote: »

An old farmer told me years ago that a well minded grassland soil will have a variety of mushrooms and fungi in general at this time of year - how much Irish grassland could that be said of these days??:(

Since I stopped spreading fert a couple of years ago I've noticed significantly more mushrooms.

Pinsnbushings wrote: »

Good shout, I had a look on the website and not too late to buy the ticket and have lifetime access to the videos.

Just one point on that, which I haven't clarified with NOTS btw. "Lifetime" often means the duration for which the videos will be online, so I'd advise recording if anyone sees any particularly valuable bits.

Say my name wrote: »

The day is getting closer that antibiotic resistance in humans and animals will be linked to glyphosate.
The wolf has been kept from the door for this long. But if antibiotic use goes down in animals and antibiotic resistance is still going up in humans then those guns will be turned on glyphosate.
Whether farmers care or not what their legacy has been on this planet I'd say the answer is known.
This will not end soon.

Edit: just to say this is not new. Herbicide use and antibiotic resistance was known about years ago. It's just not as if people would shout it from the rooftops.

Am I right that Hamish Bielski said he could do without glypho pretty easily?

endainoz

Say my name wrote: »

The day is getting closer that antibiotic resistance in humans and animals will be linked to glyphosate.
The wolf has been kept from the door for this long. But if antibiotic use goes down in animals and antibiotic resistance is still going up in humans then those guns will be turned on glyphosate.
Whether farmers care or not what their legacy has been on this planet I'd say the answer is known.
This will not end soon.

Edit: just to say this is not new. Herbicide use and antibiotic resistance was known about years ago. It's just not as if people would shout it from the rooftops.
2nd edit: and worse prescribed antibiotic use in animals might never go down if they continue to get feed with gly. Ok I'll stop now..

I had never figured it as an antibiotic, interesting, so I'd it possible for it to be an antibiotic and carcinogenic?

Say my name

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Am I right that Hamish Bielski said he could do without glypho pretty easily?

Probably ..the theme was there.

We could all do without it if we put our minds to it.

I think as farmers we're just to proud and pigheaded to believe that allergies and isms with children being born with now were caused by ourselves. It's always someone else to blame.
The same thing is happening with livestock.
Health goes down. Drug companies make more money. It's the modern way.

Say my name

endainoz wrote: »

I had never figured it as an antibiotic, interesting, so I'd it possible for it to be an antibiotic and carcinogenic?

It's classed as an antibiotic in all the regen books. John Kempf tomorrow might have more on it.

If your gut microbiome is fecked up, I suppose that leaves you more susceptible to developing health problems.

endainoz

Say my name wrote: »

It's classed as an antibiotic in all the regen books. John Kempf tomorrow might have more on it.

If your gut microbiome is fecked up, I suppose that leaves you more susceptible to developing health problems.

Fair enough, but what about all the lawsuits in America with Monsanto? More proof is being found by scientists that it does cause cancer.

Say my name

endainoz wrote: »

Fair enough, but what about all the lawsuits in America with Monsanto? More proof is being found by scientists that it does cause cancer.

I won't disagree. But the link is there to antibiotic resistance.
There's some among us on the forum might even do an Irish jig when the news emerged of it being used to fight cancer cells.
It does nothing for me. My cereal in the morning is probably coated in it. Probably explains my flatulence. Those crisps in the shop probably same.

gozunda

Great thread - I managed to miss a lot of it...

alps wrote: »

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A bit of inconsistency in the advise though as a speaker said during the week that if you hit the crown of the plantain plant it wont come back..

Interesting thing about plantain- is that it is a weed of cultivation - even if that is only reseeding of grassland

In the early days of North America being colonised - it became known as white man's foot because it arrived with European settlers and their crops.

Thing is - its not that difficult to keep under control if young growth is removed before seeding. Do that a few times and the plant exhausts its own reserves and is more likely to die.

Say my name wrote: »

You'll get those tiny inch high toadstools just up to lately.
The white field mushrooms come end of July, August. Especially when dry weather is ended by rain.
There's another white mushroom that came where horses were grazed.

I think there's a link between increased phosphorus application and a decrease in mushrooms. It could be a specific phosphorus.

Mushrooms are simply the fruiting bodies of extensive underground networks of vegetative mycelium - the ghostly underground veins partially seen when turning over areas where they are found growing.

Reseeding or similar will destroy these networks and high levels of fertilisers as well. The more organic matter in a soil profile - the more likley mushrooms will proliferate successfully. That's why mushrooms seem to prefer old horse pasture

Markcheese

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Nailed it.

Nothing ruins soil biology like artificial N.

I’m not entirely comfortable with the cult or religion that regen has become...one can be an extreme fundamentalist type shouting down glyphosate use (etc) or one can take from it like any ordinary commercial farm that’s just trying to make a sustainable income.
Environment, economics and politics will eventually dictate the direction we take.

When anything becomes cult like it's easy to rub people up the wrong way , and for the fundamentalists to forget what theyre "preaching for "
Farming has always been steered by politics and economics,
If the subsidies go more towards the environmental end , then more farmers will head that way ...( Some very grudgingly) ..
It'll probably need a bit of carrot and stick though , ( ideally education but that's not always easy , especially if you feel preached at )

alps

Phuq it ....the rugby is on at 6 tomorrow....

That's a hell of a decision...

Waffletraktor

alps wrote: »

Phuq it ....the rugby is on at 6 tomorrow....

That's a hell of a decision...

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alps

Waffletraktor wrote: »

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Did you get it changed? Cheers Waff...

Waffletraktor

alps wrote: »

Did you get it changed? Cheers Waff...

https://www.wheresthematch.com/live-rugby-union-on-tv/

Water John

Mighty 5 days, €2/speaker ridiculous value. Into wrap up time.

alps

It was unbelievable..

Best format of an online conference I've seen.....the full hour for presentation and q&a and none of this milarky of taking q&a after 3 speakers..

In depth discussion on each topic..

Must have been a full degree course in 5 days..

Say my name

I didn't get to see it all. I had connection issues.
I think I even got another poster interested in the event..
But the bits I watched this week and with better connection today were excellent.
I follow a bit of this already but as with life there's always more to learn.

Well run event with it looks like all the questions answered and shows as a country we've really innovative farmers taking the bits of regen worldwide and putting it into an Irish context.

Well done NOTS!

Water John

alps wrote: »

It was unbelievable..

Best format of an online conference I've seen.....the full hour for presentation and q&a and none of this milarky of taking q&a after 3 speakers..

In depth discussion on each topic..

Must have been a full degree course in 5 days..

Possibly a good idea to run alternate format every second year. Personally I prefer this way, suits me. The online option also allows you to use speakers who cannot or may not be willing to travel. Some speakers are now becoming worried about their carbon footprint. You or I mightn't be over concerned but I respect their opinion.
I absorbed a multiple of what I would at a live event.

endainoz

Yeah I really enjoyed it myself, took a few pages of notes anyway. Didn't have a chance to see any of it today, how did today go?

Water John

endainoz wrote: »

Yeah I really enjoyed it myself, took a few pages of notes anyway. Didn't have a chance to see any of it today, how did today go?

John Kempf was very interesting.
https://johnkempf.com/#book
Quality Agriculture is the book.
https://johnkempf.com/the-challenges-of-managing-nutrition-with-brix-readings/




The talk on KNF was a general introduction to it, I would go to Chris Trump's youtube, these were put up by a poster on the livestream;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N2PXBKf_GE

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCus0ZO165qzh

Water John

Water John wrote: »

Possibly a good idea to run alternate format every second year. Personally I prefer this way, suits me. The online option also allows you to use speakers who cannot or may not be willing to travel. Some speakers are now becoming worried about their carbon footprint. You or I mightn't be over concerned but I respect their opinion.
I absorbed a multiple of what I would at a live event.

This format suits me as well. Tell you what though, there's a LOT to be learned at breakfast, lunch, dinner, intermission and most important, pints!

alps

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This format suits me as well. Tell you what though, there's a LOT to be learned at breakfast, lunch, dinner, intermission and most important, pints!

Went to Tullamore 2 years ago and let me tell you, the positive exuberance was infective, and the conversation and stories...it was intoxicating....literally....missed the second day😴🥳🥳

alps

Take home

alps

alps wrote: »

Went to Tullamore 2 years ago and let me tell you, the positive exuberance was infective, and the conversation and stories...it was intoxicating....literally....missed the second day😴🥳🥳

The hardy bucks stayed up until after 4am last year, I was well tucked up in my leaba! I dunno how they gave presentations after that :pac: Breakfast was great craic ribbing those with sore heads and sick stomachs.

Say my name

Water John wrote: »

Possibly a good idea to run alternate format every second year. Personally I prefer this way, suits me. The online option also allows you to use speakers who cannot or may not be willing to travel. Some speakers are now becoming worried about their carbon footprint. You or I mightn't be over concerned but I respect their opinion.
I absorbed a multiple of what I would at a live event.

What next now?

I suppose Nots have practical workshops and BASE and Danu have their own thing going.

You'd wonder if they'd run out of speakers for next year?
Probably recycle some like Christine Jones last year and this.

Say my name

alps wrote: »

Take home

I'd say you already have it home..

And you know how to take a brix reading on the next page. :pac:

alps

Say my name wrote: »

I'd say you already have it home..

And you know how to take a brix reading on the next page. :pac:

Dont have the book...copied that from a twitter page....have to start ordering for Christmas..

Say my name

Say my name wrote: »

What next now?

I suppose Nots have practical workshops and BASE and Danu have their own thing going.

You'd wonder if they'd run out of speakers for next year?
Probably recycle some like Christine Jones last year and this.

I'd say there are a few new people they could get particularly in this online format. But, to be fair there are only so many big names out there.

I think Sean McGloin mentioned a post covid format of on farm visits, a conference, and the online factor to mix it up a bit.

Water John

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I'd say there are a few new people they could get particularly in this online format. But, to be fair there are only so many big names out there.

I think Sean McGloin mentioned a post covid format of on farm visits, a conference, and the online factor to mix it up a bit.

The goal would be to innoculate it into the mainstream of farming and push also that farmers are paid for sequestering 4/5t carbon per acre per year.

Water John

Water John wrote: »

The goal would be to innoculate it into the mainstream of farming and push also that farmers are paid for sequestering 4/5t carbon per acre per year.

It should spread easily, I'd say there aren't many who'd watch or go to a thing like it and not be impressed.

Water John

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It should spread easily, I'd say there aren't many who'd watch or go to a thing like it and not be impressed.

Yes, but there are economic interests with a lot of influence for which this message is not in their interest.
It seems there is much hesitancy at EU level too to go the carbon payment route.

Hopefully this thread will continue with anyone coming across any thing, posting it. Thanks Endainoz (OP) for starting it.