Remembrance Sunday and no Poppy thread?

joemurt

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Wow :rolleyes:
Go on and besmirch their memory all you like, but as I have already said .....

"You're obviously looking at this whole episode through the eyes of a 1916 Rebel".

They besmirched their own memory by joining up for a conflict against their European equivalents (poor, ignorant, jobless) on behalf of a supremacist ideology (''royalty). WW1 was nothing but a family feud between cousins. If there had have been any justice after the war the Saxo Gotha Coburg regime (George V as you put it) should have ended. But here we are, now named Windsor, soon to be house of nonce.



Germany was never an enemy of Ireland throughout history. Trying to justify why Irish people joined by mentioning 'food on the table' is an indictment of British rule in Ireland. Kill or starve.



And maybe (s)he is looking at the episode from 1920 when the black and tans arrived to rape, murder and pillage on the 'kings' behalf rather than 1916? You talk about grey areas in life - How would you view the poppy, celebrating those soldiers, if instead of you ancestors going off to the killing fields for folly, remained in Ireland to life a normal non violent life only to one day have their door kicked in by some gang of men who raped their wife or daughter, shot dead their brother or son and burnt down their house just because they could? No other reason. Terrorizing for the sake of terror. Would you have a different prospective on the poppy?



Its a strange phenomenon in Ireland. The victims of tax funded British terrorism always having to apologize for defending themselves. (Never hear Britain calling Americans terrorists for doing the exact same thing.) Martin wears a poppy as a sign of ''bridge building'' (not cowardice.....) but you'll never see a British politician acknowledge/celebrate Ireland's independence nor wear a lily as a sign of respect or bridge building. Funny that.


Stockholm syndrome alive and kicking in the old civil war parties. Embarrassing in the 21st century. It will be a good day in Ireland when the country is finally led by someone who doesn't get down on their hands and knees trying to impress the neighbours next door.



Removing British terrorists is nothing to be ashamed of.

Bravo sir.

Fabulous piece of literature. Go straight to the top of the patriots class.

weldoninhio

joemurt wrote: »

They besmirched their own memory by joining up for a conflict against their European equivalents (poor, ignorant, jobless) on behalf of a supremacist ideology (''royalty). WW1 was nothing but a family feud between cousins. If there had have been any justice after the war the Saxo Gotha Coburg regime (George V as you put it) should have ended. But here we are, now named Windsor, soon to be house of nonce.



Germany was never an enemy of Ireland throughout history. Trying to justify why Irish people joined by mentioning 'food on the table' is an indictment of British rule in Ireland. Kill or starve.



And maybe (s)he is looking at the episode from 1920 when the black and tans arrived to rape, murder and pillage on the 'kings' behalf rather than 1916? You talk about grey areas in life - How would you view the poppy, celebrating those soldiers, if instead of you ancestors going off to the killing fields for folly, remained in Ireland to life a normal non violent life only to one day have their door kicked in by some gang of men who raped their wife or daughter, shot dead their brother or son and burnt down their house just because they could? No other reason. Terrorizing for the sake of terror. Would you have a different prospective on the poppy?



Its a strange phenomenon in Ireland. The victims of tax funded British terrorism always having to apologize for defending themselves. (Never hear Britain calling Americans terrorists for doing the exact same thing.) Martin wears a poppy as a sign of ''bridge building'' (not cowardice.....) but you'll never see a British politician acknowledge/celebrate Ireland's independence nor wear a lily as a sign of respect or bridge building. Funny that.


Stockholm syndrome alive and kicking in the old civil war parties. Embarrassing in the 21st century. It will be a good day in Ireland when the country is finally led by someone who doesn't get down on their hands and knees trying to impress the neighbours next door.



Removing British terrorists is nothing to be ashamed of.

Excellent post.

31 years after the British tried to starve away the "Irish problem", by exporting tons of food, we have quislings going to war for the same people who murdered by starvation 1 million of their fellow countrymen and women. Shame on them, ans shame on those memorializing them.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Excellent post.

31 years after the British tried to starve away the "Irish problem", by exporting tons of food, we have quislings going to war for the same people who murdered by starvation 1 million of their fellow countrymen and women. Shame on them, ans shame on those memorializing them.

it was excellent.

Probably better suited to the fantasy forum than this one, but excellent all the same.

saabsaab

Aegir wrote: »

it was excellent.

Probably better suited to the fantasy forum than this one, but excellent all the same.

There seems to be a strong element of trying to out 'republican' or perhaps 'armchair republican' everyone else in some posts here. Even to the point of implying that famous Irish patriots weren't republican enough!

joemurt

Aegir wrote: »

it was excellent.

Probably better suited to the fantasy forum than this one, but excellent all the same.

Pretty weak tbf on your behalf. Would you see the poppy any different if your family members were terrorized or murdered by a British soldier? Would you wear one?

joemurt

saabsaab wrote: »

There seems to be a strong element of trying to out 'republican' or perhaps 'armchair republican' everyone else in some posts here. Even to the point of implying that famous Irish patriots weren't republican enough!

There seems to be a lot of armchair apologists for British state terrorism.



Do you celebrate British soldiers who raped and murdered Irish people because they were Irish?

saabsaab

joemurt wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of armchair apologists for British state terrorism.



Do you celebrate British soldiers who raped and murdered Irish people because they were Irish?

Of course not!

weldoninhio

It's a sad state of affairs.

If the Brits had tried to starve the country to death in 1989, you'd have Quislings, like the ones in here, thinking it would then be honorable to fight for them now, just 31 years later. How pathetic is that.

joemurt

joemurt wrote: »

Pretty weak tbf on your behalf. Would you see the poppy any different if your family members were terrorized or murdered by a British soldier? Would you wear one?

Weak?

not one piece of your post is factually correct.

saabsaab

I don't wear a poppy, never did and have questions about where the money goes. But live and let live, if someone wants to commemorate a family member in that way. Same with the Easter lily.

Odhinn

Aegir wrote: »

This must be the absolute definition of arm chair republicanism.

See the entire world as black and white. My side good, anything else bad.

..................

I'll see that and raise you

Fuascailteoir

saabsaab wrote: »

I don't wear a poppy, never did and have questions about where the money goes. But live and let live, if someone wants to commemorate a family member in that way. Same with the Easter lily.

And someone that was on the receiving end of the british army's terrorist actions on this island has every right to object to it

saabsaab

They have that right but each to his own.

Odhinn

Odhinn wrote: »

I'll see that and raise you

How people see Republicans

Fuascailteoir

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

And someone that was on the receiving end of the british army's terrorist actions on this island has every right to object to it

Don't wear one then.

Frankie Machine

It's a bit indulgent in a republic that was founded in spite of the British Army, and not with any thanks to it, to be flaunting a Poppy.

It's actually bad manners.

saabsaab

Frankie Machine wrote: »

It's a bit indulgent in a republic that was founded in spite of the British Army, and not with any thanks to it, to be flaunting a Poppy.

It's actually bad manners.

I doubt anyone flaunts it here. Would you feel that flying the union jack is bad manners here too?

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

I doubt anyone flaunts it here. Would you feel that flying the union jack is bad manners here too?

For what it stands for,yes imo

Its worse than the confederate flag imo

(that being said,no issue with emgland,scotland and wales flags flying,just not the butcher apron)

Frankie Machine

saabsaab wrote: »

I doubt anyone flaunts it here. Would you feel that flying the union jack is bad manners here too?

Difference between flying and flaunting.

It would be bad manners not to fly it if that is the official protocol for a state visit, a sporting occasion or whatever. I'm not into needless antagonism, and especially with neighbours I would like to remain on good terms.

I'm not suggesting that people wear a poppy just to annoy the majority, but I'm sure they're aware that it does so.

The apparently necessary connection between remembrance and letting everyone know that you're 'remembrancing' is lost on me.

saabsaab

Yes it does depend on the context and circumstances. Probably bad manners to fly your union jack down the falls road or the tricolour on the shankill.

Odhinn

Aegir wrote: »

How people see Republicans

Pic not showing I'm afraid

Frankie Machine

Frankie Machine wrote: »

It's a bit indulgent in a republic that was founded in spite of the British Army, and not with any thanks to it, to be flaunting a Poppy.

It's actually bad manners.

Who is flaunting a poppy?

Frankie Machine

Aegir wrote: »

Who is flaunting a poppy?

Not me, guv.

Aegir

Aegir wrote: »

Who is flaunting a poppy?

Didnt kevin myers used boast he wore his to be provocative.....he seems to represent a large amount of peoples views on this and many other subjects