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Remembrance Sunday and no Poppy thread?

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    #62
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Be that as it may,il assume it,unless told otherwise


    Can you gaurantee 100% no funds raised by poppy appeal go to soldier F?

    No more than you can prove 100% that a single penny does.

    Keep assuming all you like, there's a saying that goes with that word.


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    #63
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Its known some funds were previpusly.used for legal cases?

    Its reasonable then imo to assume,that some funds go towards funding soldier F imo

    Again, assumptions and conjecture mean nothing. Even if, and that's a big IF it did it still doesn't mean that people who choose to buy/wear a poppy support soldier F.


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    #64
    Spanish Eyes
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    Many ROI Irish lost their lives in the Great War because that was the only way to get an income. I doubt many of them cared about the politics of it all.

    There is a cemetery on Blackhorse Avenue. I have visited and been escorted around it with very knowledgeable guides.

    We have to move on.

    But I am not in favour of any kind of symbolism like poppies or lilies and so on. That is divisive IMV.


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    #65
    46 Long
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Wasted lives for a decrepit regime no better than the ones they lost their lives to.

    Careful with that edge, Eugene.


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    #66
    Junkyard Tom
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    46 Long wrote: »
    Careful with that edge, Eugene.

    I've no idea what you're referring to.


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    #67
    Feisar
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    RasTa wrote: »
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    Just a few from this year

    It's wonder no one was on their case about the butchers apron trailing on the ground.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #68
    James Brown
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    'Lest we forget' was about the war dead. Don't forget what they did etc. Unfortunately it gives the false impression that signing up to the BA is an honourable thing to do. As I've said before the BA hierarchy, royals and politicians should only be appearing at remembrance events to apologise to the public.


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    #69
    Spanish Eyes
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    Need to remember them, but move on also.

    SF, I'm looking at you. Why were you not there at the Remembrance Day uup North..

    I suppose you are terrified of your voters. Anyway what are you doing about the awful numbers of Covid?

    Was always a lawless place. Plus ca change.


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    46 Long
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    Bowie wrote: »
    'Lest we forget' was about the war dead. Don't forget what they did etc. Unfortunately it gives the false impression that signing up to the BA is an honourable thing to do. As I've said before the BA hierarchy, royals and politicians should only be appearing at remembrance events to apologise to the public.

    It's not for me (or you by the sounds of things) but serving in the armed forces of your country is always an honorable thing to do.


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    #71
    [Deleted User]
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Also those who served in Aden, Kenya, Uganda, Iraq, Burma, etc and so on.

    Bingo


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    #72
    Odhinn
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    46 Long wrote: »
    It's not for me (or you by the sounds of things) but serving in the armed forces of your country is always an honorable thing to do.




    So the soviet troops who occupied various states during the cold war were doing "the honorable thing"?


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    #73
    46 Long
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    So the soviet troops who occupied various states during the cold war were doing "the honorable thing"?

    They didn't have a choice. The Soviet Union used conscription right up until it's dissolution.


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    #74
    FTA69
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    46 Long wrote: »
    It's not for me (or you by the sounds of things) but serving in the armed forces of your country is always an honorable thing to do.

    Jesus we should have a few commemorations for the SS so while we’re at it.

    Blindly joining the army to participate in shooting people shouldn’t be celebrated as a default.


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    #75
    weldoninhio
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The absence of poppy shaming is rather dignified. Eclipsed by real issues like Covid-19. And Remembrance Sunday itself is no less important, watching a moving commemoration service unfold on BBC1. Beautiful tribute to those who served the cause of peace.

    Yes, i'm sure the thousands murdered in Dresden are glad of the tribute to their murderers.


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    #76
    weldoninhio
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    votecounts wrote: »
    apples and oranges imo, a lot of people refuse to wear a poppy after the atrocities such as bloody sunday. You only have to at Mclean and the abuse he gets for refusing to wear it which is sick. If you are foreign and work in media or sports in Britain, say goodbye to your job or be prepared to be public enemy number 1 if you do not wear one. And you're supposed to have the freedom to wear what you like, don't think so:(

    Only if you are Irish, Nematja Matic hasn't worn one for years and gets no abuse. Uppitty Paddy's though, grrrrrr.


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    #77
    [Deleted User]
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Yes, i'm sure the thousands murdered in Dresden are glad of the tribute to their murderers.

    And that’s the full house.

    I win


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    #78
    weldoninhio
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Many ROI Irish lost their lives in the Great War because that was the only way to get an income. I doubt many of them cared about the politics of it all.

    There is a cemetery on Blackhorse Avenue. I have visited and been escorted around it with very knowledgeable guides.

    We have to move on.

    But I am not in favour of any kind of symbolism like poppies or lilies and so on. That is divisive IMV.

    Quislings, fighting for the violent oppressive force in their own country. Should be remembered as such.


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    #79
    saabsaab
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Quislings, fighting for the violent oppressive force in their own country. Should be remembered as such.


    Very unfair to them. Many believed (wrongly that they would be given Irish freedom on return home) also a fair few joined in the war of Independence where their training and skills were much valued by the IRA.


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    #80
    theological
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Quislings, fighting for the violent oppressive force in their own country. Should be remembered as such.

    This is why I usually dislike conversations about Irish history. We've decided that the only Irish history that is worth remembering is Irish republican history rather than the entirety of Irish history, including perspectives we may disagree with.


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    #81
    seamus
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    Solutionking wrote: »
    So you move to a country and then don't want to abide by the local traditions?
    Traditions aren't things a person has to abide by.

    Only fascists think that traditions should be forced on people.


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    #82
    weldoninhio
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    theological wrote: »
    This is why I usually dislike conversations about Irish history. We've decided that the only Irish history that is worth remembering is Irish republican history rather than the entirety of Irish history, including perspectives we may disagree with.

    You fight for the person oppressing you, you are a quisling. Whether you are Irish, English, Chinese, Japanese or Martian.


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    #83
    tdf7187
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Thank you COVID-19

    Are the West Brit fraternity statistically more likely to get it? (One lives in hope, wha').


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    #84
    Hamsterchops
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    theological wrote: »
    We've decided that the only Irish history that is worth remembering is Irish republican history rather than the entirety of Irish history, including perspectives we may disagree with.

    Well said, although we haven't all bought into the one narrow narrative, but I know what you mean.

    Back to poppies: I presume that the ever dwindling numbers of old poppy ladies (most in their 90s) means that the poppy appeal itself here in the Republic is ever decreasing ...

    The actual date in the calendar is tomorrow.
    The 11th Day, of the 11th Month, at 11am.


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    #85
    theological
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You fight for the person oppressing you, you are a quisling. Whether you are Irish, English, Chinese, Japanese or Martian.

    A lot of the "oppressors" for good or for ill are our ancestors. That is true during several rounds of conquest.

    This raises an interesting question about what does it mean to be Irish? If I have Norman or Huguenot ancestry are we excluded? If we don't have a Catholic background are we excluded? What if God forbid some of my ancestry comes from those who came from Scotland or from England during the plantations?

    What is your definition of Irish?


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    #86
    blanch152
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    votecounts wrote: »
    so no one should work in britain if they won't wear a poppy, should only people be allowed work in ireland if they wear the easter lilly

    Only a handful of people wear an easter lily. Most of them know each other so probably think it is widespread.


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    #87
    Niallof9
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    theological wrote: »
    A lot of the "oppressors" for good or for ill are our ancestors. That is true during several rounds of conquest.

    This raises an interesting question about what does it mean to be Irish? If I have Norman or Huguenot ancestry are we excluded? If we don't have a Catholic background are we excluded? What if God forbid some of my ancestry comes from those who came from Scotland or from England during the plantations?

    What is your definition of Irish?

    nah half our culture would be wiped out if we applied this. most of our writers, many of our heroes, our buildings, our way of life is as much as we hate to admit it ,built on the mixed identity. the narrow definition of Irishness is just like 700 years of English oppression. its an untruth. and it will only show its danger when an all island referendum gets called for etc. for better or worse the island is made up of gaels, celts, vikings, normans, english, scots, and now many diverse nations. we can band together under one flag or a new flag for a UI, but if we exclude people cause they don't fit the Irish narrative we're in deep trouble.

    I mean Justin Barett was invoking Pearse the other day. Pearse was from English stock. Wolfe Tone and on and on it goes.


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    ancapailldorcha
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    Very unfair to them. Many believed (wrongly that they would be given Irish freedom on return home) also a fair few joined in the war of Independence where their training and skills were much valued by the IRA.

    My understanding is that it was a Home Rule thing. Home Rule was officially passed by the House of Commons in 1912 but the House of Lords rejected it. The latter had had their powers clipped so that they could only delay legislation by two years but then of course the First World War had broken out.

    Many Irish felt that if they fought for the UK and the Empire it would assist in the granting of Home Rule and John Redmond, leader of the Home Rule party supported this line of thinking as I recall.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #89
    weldoninhio
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    My understanding is that it was a Home Rule thing. Home Rule was officially passed by the House of Commons in 1912 but the House of Lords rejected it. The latter had had their powers clipped so that they could only delay legislation by two years but then of course the First World War had broken out.

    Many Irish felt that if they fought for the UK and the Empire it would assist in the granting of Home Rule and John Redmond, leader of the Home Rule party supported this line of thinking as I recall.

    Perfidious Albion springs to mind.


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    #90
    Hamsterchops
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Many Irish felt that if they fought for the UK and the Empire it would assist in the granting of Home Rule and John Redmond, leader of the Home Rule party supported this line of thinking as I recall.

    Well seeing as we were part of the UK during the Great War 1914-1918, then yes, we fought on the side of the UK because we were part of it and in it.

    The British Empire which which was spread around the Globe was run by manpower from the whole of the UK, which included Ireland, the whole island of...

    The intervention of the war really messed up and slowed down the Home Rule movement which I guess would have happened in the years after the Great War ended. But history took another route...


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    #91
    theological
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    My understanding is that it was a Home Rule thing. Home Rule was officially passed by the House of Commons in 1912 but the House of Lords rejected it. The latter had had their powers clipped so that they could only delay legislation by two years but then of course the First World War had broken out.

    Many Irish felt that if they fought for the UK and the Empire it would assist in the granting of Home Rule and John Redmond, leader of the Home Rule party supported this line of thinking as I recall.

    And of course that was only from a republican / nationalist perspective.

    There were many others who fought in WW1 who may have opposed Home Rule.

    This is part of what I mean when I say that Irish history isn't just republican history. It is very easy for the Irish people who opposed Home Rule to get airbrushed out of the war effort as if they didn't exist.


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