Exit Strategy

eleventh

eleventh wrote: »

One of Europe’s Leading Neurologists Claims Masks Are Dangerous & Explains Why

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/10/07/one-of-europes-leading-neurologists-claims-masks-are-dangerous-explains-why/

The neurologist is an idiot and for anybody who believes this type of..... Propaganda, need to educate yourself.

Local Area Man

The one thing this virus has done, is highlight just how many dangerously stupid people live and work among us. That's probably more worrying long term than Covid-19.

There is some dangerously stupid people out there.

completedit

It's funny but I don't know whether the previous posts are coming from pro or anti lockdown posters. This is not really an issue that you can be stupid on. None of us has a clue we have our viewpoints and that's that.

completedit

completedit wrote: »

It's funny but I don't know whether the previous posts are coming from pro or anti lockdowns. This is not really an issue that you can be stupid on. None of us has a clue we have our viewpoints and that's that.

I think that anybody who believes masks are bad for you in a pandemic is dangerously stupid.

Not an exit strategy, but a 'post-peak reset' or 'new globalised model of living' (4th Ind Rev, aka Industry 4.0).
Various measures mean 'the end of' casual long-haul holidays, cash, anonymity, privacy and widespread human redundancy (automation).

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[Deleted User]

- 'Zero Covid' is a fictional idea. You'd have to completely shut down the island long-term. Nobody in or out. Prolonged, strict lockdowns. Even then, it's highly unlikely to eradicate the virus. Please forget this premise; it's an absolute waste of time discussing. It's not going to happen, and those advocating for it simply do not understand the reality or consequences of such an idea.

- No vaccine can be considered safe without years of testing first. Those that sign-up voluntarily for first roll-out will be - essentially - guinea pigs. Even if it is successful, there's no guarantee those vaccinated cannot still catch the virus and pass it on. Whenever a 'vaccine' does arrive, those at risk from Covid can take it, if they choose to do so. For everybody else (ie the majority), it's not necessary. For most people, Covid will produce no (ie asymptomatic) to mild/moderate/bad flu-like symptoms. Data tells us the death rate outside of the elderly and medically vulnerable is far less than 1%. Stop obsessing over a vaccine.

- People are being duped by media scaremongering with constant "rise in case number" articles. Papers need to sell copies, web articles need clicks... The more sensational the headline, the better. All I see with these headlines are 'case numbers'. The only numbers we should be paying attention to are hospitalisations/ICU and deaths. Those numbers are low, and hence not as attractive to media headlines. Stop being frightened by 'case numbers'. See end of previous paragraph if you need reminding why.

- Covid is of course a real virus, and none of us want to get it. That said, the response and resulting measures are over-exaggerated and out of proportion. Lives lost from suicide, mental health, crippling the economy and livelihoods etc etc will far outnumber anything this virus will do, if we continue down the path we're going. We need to exercise common sense, good hygiene practices, and protect our vulnerable as well as reasonably possible until some sort of vaccine does (or does not) arrive. Ultimately though, the rest of us need to get on with it.

Based on the general response to this "pandemic", I'd hate to see what happens if a *true* killer virus were to come along.

Dravokivich

GazzaL wrote: »

It's madness that they're attempting to force businesses to close when they are not the problem.

No one said businesses are a problem. Social settings were people are mixing is the problem.

sydthebeat

there are two undeniable facts:

1. when you come out of any lockdown, cases will rise pro rata to the re-opening of society

2. NPHET do not understand this, as they are not sociologists.

GazzaL

Dravokivich wrote: »

No one said businesses are a problem. Social settings were people are mixing is the problem.

NPHET's proposed course of action will force huge numbers of businesses who are operating safely to close.

ByTheSea2019

Is zero covid even desirable if it were possible? If we don't get a vaccine the only way out of this is natural herd immunity. I certainly don't advocate "letting it rip" but maybe it's necessary to face up to the fact that we might need to let it spread at a manageable level for a few years while shielding the vulnerable. I see this as a sort of insurance policy in case we never get a vaccine because if we seriously went for zero covid and there was no vaccine, would we not need to live like this for decades.

Rodin

GT89 wrote: »

Alternatively remove all restrictions let the kung flu loose and you'll go to work without issue

Except if you work in a hospital

bilbot79

I honestly think if we get the numbers down again we should then do planned 2 week lockdowns every 6 weeks. The virus would be kept in check and businesses would have certainty

Rodin

ByTheSea2019 wrote: »

Is zero covid even desirable if it were possible? If we don't get a vaccine the only way out of this is natural herd immunity. I certainly don't advocate "letting it rip" but maybe it's necessary to face up to the fact that we might need to let it spread at a manageable level for a few years while shielding the vulnerable. I see this as a sort of insurance policy in case we never get a vaccine because if we seriously went for zero covid and there was no vaccine, would we not need to live like this for decades.

Let spread at a manageable level? Seriously?

So long as we feel a need to look after the sick, then this will be a problem for society.
We could always just let them die and get on with living ourselves. Would save a fortune on pensions and future chronic ill health costs... is this what we want?

GazzaL

Local Area Man wrote: »

The one thing this virus has done, is highlight just how many dangerously stupid people live and work among us. That's probably more worrying long term than Covid-19.

Who knew so many of them would make up the NPHET team?!

ByTheSea2019

Rodin wrote: »

Let spread at a manageable level? Seriously?

So long as we feel a need to look after the sick, then this will be a problem for society.
We could always just let them die and get on with living ourselves. Would save a fortune on pensions and future chronic ill health costs... is this what we want?

I did say shield the vulnerable. Herd immunity in the rest of the population would be the best chance the vulnerable have of having any kind of life, ability to leave their house etc.

I don't think many people have properly processed the idea of living like this forever.

SB71

Deleted User wrote: »

- 'Zero Covid' is a fictional idea. You'd have to completely shut down the island long-term. Nobody in or out. Prolonged, strict lockdowns. Even then, it's highly unlikely to eradicate the virus. Please forget this premise; it's an absolute waste of time discussing. It's not going to happen, and those advocating for it simply do not understand the reality or consequences of such an idea.

- No vaccine can be considered safe without years of testing first. Those that sign-up voluntarily for first roll-out will be - essentially - guinea pigs. Even if it is successful, there's no guarantee those vaccinated cannot still catch the virus and pass it on. Whenever a 'vaccine' does arrive, those at risk from Covid can take it, if they choose to do so. For everybody else (ie the majority), it's not necessary. For most people, Covid will produce no (ie asymptomatic) to mild/moderate/bad flu-like symptoms. Data tells us the death rate outside of the elderly and medically vulnerable is far less than 1%. Stop obsessing over a vaccine.

- People are being duped by media scaremongering with constant "rise in case number" articles. Papers need to sell copies, web articles need clicks... The more sensational the headline, the better. All I see with these headlines are 'case numbers'. The only numbers we should be paying attention to are hospitalisations/ICU and deaths. Those numbers are low, and hence not as attractive to media headlines. Stop being frightened by 'case numbers'. See end of previous paragraph if you need reminding why.

- Covid is of course a real virus, and none of us want to get it. That said, the response and resulting measures are over-exaggerated and out of proportion. Lives lost from suicide, mental health, crippling the economy and livelihoods etc etc will far outnumber anything this virus will do, if we continue down the path we're going. We need to exercise common sense, good hygiene practices, and protect our vulnerable as well as reasonably possible until some sort of vaccine does (or does not) arrive. Ultimately though, the rest of us need to get on with it.

Based on the general response to this "pandemic", I'd hate to see what happens if a *true* killer virus were to come along.

this is the best post yet on this thread.

Pitch n Putt

A lot of people in this country would want to take a step back from the media driven scare tactics and have a look at where things are going.

People afraid of people is what has been created.

How will this be overcome?

Waiting on every word from government and NPHET. You can’t do this you must do that and blindly following these recommendations.

What’s needed is for people to start thinking for themselves and use some personal responsibility and get on with living with the virus.

We can’t continue with this sh1t any longer.

MadYaker

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

A lot of people in this country would want to take a step back from the media driven scare tactics and have a look at where things are going.

People afraid of people is what has been created.

How will this be overcome?

Waiting on every word from government and NPHET. You can’t do this you must do that and blindly following these recommendations.

What’s needed is for people to start thinking for themselves and use some personal responsibility and get on with living with the virus.

We can’t continue with this sh1t any longer.

Vague notions are nice but how does any of this translate into a plan that we can follow going forward that's going to protect vulnerable people are keep the economy going?

Red Alert

NPHET are ideologically opposed to any exit strategy, and therein lies the problem.

ED E

Scary volume of stupid in this thread.

Infini

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is some dangerously stupid people out there.

Said it before i'll say it again, Human stupidity is the cancer of this ****ing existence.

Pitch n Putt

MadYaker wrote: »

Vague notions are nice but how does any of this translate into a plan that we can follow going forward that's going to protect vulnerable people are keep the economy going?

We can’t protect a few at the the cost to many.

What’s our ever changing plan going to achieve ?

The plan is we have no plan......

GT89

Rodin wrote: »

Except if you work in a hospital

Hospitals have hazmat suits for staff don't they?

Rodin

ByTheSea2019 wrote: »

I did say shield the vulnerable. Herd immunity in the rest of the population would be the best chance the vulnerable have of having any kind of life, ability to leave their house etc.

I don't think many people have properly processed the idea of living like this forever.

No evidence for herd immunity being realistically achievable.

MadYaker

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

We can’t protect a few at the the cost to many.

What’s our ever changing plan going to achieve ?

The plan is we have no plan......

30% of our population are either over 60 or have a condition that puts them at higher risk. I wouldn't call that a few.

Pitch n Putt

MadYaker wrote: »

30% of our population are either over 60 or have a condition that puts them at higher risk. I wouldn't call that a few.

So we restrict the other 70% of the population indefinitely?

Cancel all social events, sports fixtures,weddings,travel etc etc

Stop everything for how long 1,2,5 years ??

Wait for a vaccine that may never arrive is that the saviour of life as we know it?

Don’t forget with all the above restrictions in place schools remain open workplaces remain operational, You can travel around the country for work during the week but travels an issue at weekends

Sorry now but we just can’t continue down the chosen path by NPHET it’s reckless to say the least.

ByTheSea2019

ByTheSea2019 wrote: »

I did say shield the vulnerable. Herd immunity in the rest of the population would be the best chance the vulnerable have of having any kind of life, ability to leave their house etc.

I don't think many people have properly processed the idea of living like this forever.

How do you shield people who need home help?

end of the road

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

So we restrict the other 70% of the population indefinitely?

Cancel all social events, sports fixtures,weddings,travel etc etc

Stop everything for how long 1,2,5 years ??

Wait for a vaccine that may never arrive is that the saviour of life as we know it?

Don’t forget with all the above restrictions in place schools remain open workplaces remain operational, You can travel around the country for work during the week but travels an issue at weekends

Sorry now but we just can’t continue down the chosen path by NPHET it’s reckless to say the least.

ultimately yes, we semi-restrict all of us on a temporary basis and restrict or with-hold non-essential stuff to minimise the spread of the virus and allow everyone to live a basic life.
schools remain open because children do still have to be educated, i would agree not closing them could be a bad call but i certainly understand why they aren't closing them.
nphet haven't chosen anything, that was the government. nphet simply advise and the government make the decisions, nphet are not responsible for any decisions the government make nor does nphet call the shots like some seem to think.

PommieBast

end of the road wrote: »

ultimately yes, we semi-restrict all of us on a temporary basis and restrict or with-hold non-essential stuff to minimise the spread of the virus and allow everyone to live a basic life.
schools remain open because children do still have to be educated, i would agree not closing them could be a bad call but i certainly understand why they aren't closing them.
nphet haven't chosen anything, that was the government.

For people who have had relationship breakups due to Covid keeping schools open at the expense of everything else is pretty grating. They are not going to sit at home indefinately for someone else's kids.