Would you be in favor of covid-19 fines in Ireland?

pgj2015

I would, fines for people not wearing masks in supermarkets etc very big fines for anyone who has house parties etc. fines for people travelling outside their county for non essential travel. im baffled as to why they have not been introduced.

BobMc

Voted No, as dont think its practical to collect them if masses decide not too pay them

pgj2015

BobMc wrote: »

Voted No, as dont think its practical to collect them if masses decide not too pay them

yes, well if they dont pay them, an even worse punishment can be brought in.

dmakc

No. You cannot incentivise the government to do this. We'll be in level 4 twenty years after the vaccine is introduced.

Yes, people taking the piss partying etc. is going to have us in level5 for a long time.

Tenzor07

pgj2015 wrote: »

yes, well if they dont pay them, an even worse punishment can be brought in.

Damn right, a few gun towers dotted along county borders with their sights set on transgressors!

ax530

No people would just see them as an additional cost to having a party and be willing to pay
Other s dont have the means to pay so won't causing administration costs the state can't afford

I'd be more in favour of leadership from the top.

Can't expect the peasants to behave when the captains of industry are allowed run amok.

pgj2015

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Damn right, a few gun towers dotted along county borders with their sights set on transgressors!

If people can't behave themselves in times of a 100 year pandemic that has the potential to destroy our country for many years then fines are needed, some people are thick as $hit and need to be treated like the kids they are.

pgj2015

pgj2015 wrote: »

yes, well if they dont pay them, an even worse punishment can be brought in.

Such as?

Limpy

No. Because we have a fine system for many things. Speeding for example. People Still speed.

Also if it's not in law, ie in the constitution can a fine be enforced?

How many businesses or government institutions would have to close if rules were really enforced. Basically anyone with a phone could catch a person breaking covid reg, chatting to the neighbor for a few seconds ect with a few kids present.

BobMc

BobMc wrote: »

Voted No, as dont think its practical to collect them if masses decide not too pay them

Firstly there are already large fines and jail time available as punishment for not wearing masks in supermarkets but I fully agree fines for leaving county, house parties, meeting in groups outdoor (protests etc) all need to have heavy fines.

People dont agree with most fines but they pay them.

Don't pay then court and higher fines or jail time. Fast track a few example cases to court and punish them heavily and slap it all over the new. Any other imbeciles thinking of not pay will be quick to change their mind when they see the consequences.

Mallory Great Woodpecker

Mallory Great Woodpecker wrote: »

People dont agree with most fines but they pay them.

Don't pay then court and higher fines or jail time. Fast track a few example cases to court and punish them heavily and slap it all over the new. Any other imbeciles thinking of not pay will be quick to change their mind when they see the consequences.

And the higher fines aren't paid...?

How many prison places do you think we have?

plodder

The alternative is what is happening on the roads today - stopping and delaying everyone including those with a legitimate reason for being there.

And we have fines already. The question is the usual one where we ask ourselves is it a law we want to enforce, or just one of the advisory ones.

is_that_so

Mallory Great Woodpecker wrote: »

People dont agree with most fines but they pay them.

Don't pay then court and higher fines or jail time. Fast track a few example cases to court and punish them heavily and slap it all over the new. Any other imbeciles thinking of not pay will be quick to change their mind when they see the consequences.

We only have fines of €2500 so good luck with making people pay. I see single mother of 4 on Joe Duffy!

pgj2015

Limpy wrote: »

No. Because we have a fine system for many things. Speeding for example. People Still speed.

Also if it's not in law, ie in the constitution can a fine be enforced?

How many businesses or government institutions would have to close if rules were really enforced. Basically anyone with a phone could catch a person breaking covid reg, chatting to the neighbor for a few seconds ect with a few kids present.

people still speed but imagine how much speeding there would be if there was no such thing as penalty points and insurers charging you more depending on how many points you have.

laws can be changed and quickly if in times of crisis such as now. the government could easily introduce fines if they want to.

businesses arent going to break restrictions unless they are stupid and if they do then they will rightly be heavily fined.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

And the higher fines aren't paid...?

How many prison places do you think we have?

Just take it from their pay or dole in many cases.

Gael23

At this point yes.
Level 5 restrictions would destroy our economy for a generation so we need to ensure we don’t go there

pgj2015

Deleted User wrote: »

Such as?

literally anything that would deter people breaking covid restrictions, ban them off the road for a year.

TexasTornado

Mallory Great Woodpecker wrote: »

Firstly there are already large fines and jail time available as punishment for not wearing masks in supermarkets but I fully agree fines for leaving county, house parties, meeting in groups outdoor (protests etc) all need to have heavy fines.

People dont agree with most fines but they pay them.

Don't pay then court and higher fines or jail time. Fast track a few example cases to court and punish them heavily and slap it all over the new. Any other imbeciles thinking of not pay will be quick to change their mind when they see the consequences.

Jail time? Do you know anything about the prison system. Seriously there is no space for non fine payers.

screamer

How about their pps numbers are taken, and if they turn up for Covid treatment can be put at the bottom of the list, or not treated at all? No, too harsh, unfair? These are the exact people who don’t give a **** about anyone else and are quite ok to go around possibly spreading Covid. Why should society care about those who don’t care for others?
Fine them it’s easy, take it out of their welfare payments or tax credits.

TexasTornado

Gael23 wrote: »

At this point yes.
Level 5 restrictions would destroy our economy for a generation so we need to ensure we don’t go there

No it wouldn't.

screamer

TexasTornado wrote: »

No it wouldn't.

Yes, it would. We’re already breaking into the rainy day fund to keep going, we can’t afford a level 5 again, we need restrictions with better enforcement so that we can stay going best we can

liamog

Yes I'd be in favour of fines, but big fines are counter productive. I'd much rather see people hit with a €15 on the spot fine that is guaranteed to be applied, than a hypothetical large fine that is almost never used.

Mallory Great Woodpecker

Mallory Great Woodpecker wrote: »

Just take it from their pay or dole in many cases.

So you think taking a 25% (assuming a €50 fine) of a person's dole, which is piss all as is, is appropriate?

That's not going to lead to further problems?

Gael23

TexasTornado wrote: »

No it wouldn't.

For many businesses who are just about keeping their heads above water being forced to close again would be the final nail in the coffin. Especially if they miss out on the Christmas spending spree

froog

Yes and use all the fines to help with contact tracing or more ICU beds.

893bet

No. Pointless.

Those that will pay prob are not the ones breaking the rules.

Those that won’t pay are the ones that don’t give a **** anyway so their behaviour won’t change.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Such as?

Deduction at source, (whether this be wage or welfare) if fine not paid within 28 working days.

Parents of non-compliant minors (teenagers) fined.

Suspension of driving licence if fines unpaid (works in the US for non-payment of child support)

Just throwing out suggestions. Where there is a will, there is a way.

We were doing well down here in Waterford until there was a meat factory outbreak. Cases began to soar. Thankfully on the way back down.

What's an appropriate punishment for the meat barons?

plodder

liamog wrote: »

Yes I'd be in favour of fines, but big fines are counter productive. I'd much rather see people hit with a €15 on the spot fine that is guaranteed to be applied, than a hypothetical large fine that is almost never used.

Exactly. The mistake that's made all the time in this country is to not bother enforcing existing penalties, so we then increase the penalty, turning it into a game of Russian Roulette where only if you are very unlucky are you hit with it.

Totally agree, on the spot fine of €15 for a first offence, or go to court and risk a €100 fine, then €200 for a second offence ... and so on.

pgj2015

Deleted User wrote: »

Deduction at source, (whether this be wage or welfare) if fine not paid within 28 working days.

Parents of non-compliant minors (teenagers) fined.

Suspension of driving licence if fines unpaid (works in the US for non-payment of child support)

Just throwing out suggestions. Where there is a will, there is a way.

I agree 100%. its not like its rocket science to come up with ways to enforce people to comply with the restrictions.

Beasty

Who on earth would police it? The Gardai are just about capable of putting 100+ checkpoints in place. There will be many thousands of public places where masks should be worn unless there's an exemption in place

I actually think it's better if shops have a no entry policy unless you have a medical document stating a mask is not to be used.

Away With The Fairies

People just don't care and there's no deterrent to stop people acting like complete d!cks. Someone in work wears their facemask under their nose. Heard them on the phone at break time asking about their weekend and asking was there any way around the restrictions. The way how they wear a face mask, I'm sure they'll find a way around the restrictions. Same type of person if they have mild covid symptoms will probably self diagnose having a cold and come into work anyways. People just don't care and people should be slapped with heavy fines.

pgj2015

Beasty wrote: »

Who on earth would police it? The Gardai are just about capable of putting 100+ checkpoints in place. There will be many thousands of public places where masks should be worn unless there's an exemption in place

I actually think it's better if shops have a no entry policy unless you have a medical document stating a mask is not to be used.

You don't need a huge number to enforce it, just start giving out fines and through word of mouth, word will get around, people will start to take notice.

pgj2015

pgj2015 wrote: »

I would, fines for people not wearing masks in supermarkets etc very big fines for anyone who has house parties etc. fines for people travelling outside their county for non essential travel. im baffled as to why they have not been introduced.

of course you are since you put pen to paper in this regard. It's called a very blunt instrument and like shutting off licensees early, it will not work.
let say off licensees have to close at 6pm, then you'll see cues forming the way you do at supermarkets etc and for people who enjoy a drink at the weekend as their only pleasure in the absence of ALL other leisure and social pursuits!! will have feck all!! so why should they suffer, there's only so much you can do on this virus, punish one sector and you punish all most likely.

do your market research or red C poll elsewhere.. nobody wants fines!

pgj2015

rusty cole wrote: »

of course you are since you put pen to paper in this regard. It's called a very blunt instrument and like shutting off licensees early, it will not work.
let say off licensees have to close at 6pm, then you'll see cues forming the way you do at supermarkets etc and for people who enjoy a drink at the weekend as their only pleasure in the absence of ALL other leisure and social pursuits!! will have feck all!! so why should they suffer, there's only so much you can do on this virus, punish one sector and you punish all most likely.

do your market research or red C poll elsewhere.. nobody wants fines!

nobody wants fines? have you not seen the poll?

last weekend I personally witnessed large groups from Dublin and northern Ireland in rented houses in the west of ireland, both groups were actually mixing. the owners of these houses should be heavily fined, they knew where they were from and all they cared about was making a few quid.

AUDI20

rusty cole wrote: »

of course you are since you put pen to paper in this regard. It's called a very blunt instrument and like shutting off licensees early, it will not work.
let say off licensees have to close at 6pm, then you'll see cues forming the way you do at supermarkets etc and for people who enjoy a drink at the weekend as their only pleasure in the absence of ALL other leisure and social pursuits!! will have feck all!! so why should they suffer, there's only so much you can do on this virus, punish one sector and you punish all most likely.

do your market research or red C poll elsewhere.. nobody wants fines!

According the the poll 58% do!!

keithb93

Its a good thing boards.ie isn't representative of the population as judging by the results of that poll, it seems the only thing that will keep you lot happy is locking everyone up in their houses till a vaccine comes out.

xhomelezz

keithb93 wrote: »

Its a good thing boards.ie isn't representative of the population as judging by the results of that poll, it seems the only thing that will keep you lot happy is locking everyone up in their houses till a vaccine comes out.

Don't think anyone suggesting that on this thread.

keithb93

xhomelezz wrote: »

Don't think anyone suggesting that on this thread.

The fact that people are actually suggesting that we should be fined for leaving the county for non essential reasons, i don't think im too far off the mark. Same people that would call for level 5 restrictions for the whole country no doubt.

Why are the pubs closed again? Of course people will have house parties when there is nowhere else to enjoy themselves. Alternatives must be provided.

If ye are happy to sit at home and hide for the next 9 months then so be it but don't expect me to.

Tenzor07

pgj2015 wrote: »

If people can't behave themselves in times of a 100 year pandemic that has the potential to destroy our country for many years then fines are needed, some people are thick as $hit and need to be treated like the kids they are.

Exactly Man, this is war!

Marshall Law now!

Suspension of normal Civilian laws,

Army and Gardai checkpoints... Entry to private homes.

Removal of identifying numbers on security forces and all to be armed.

Special criminal court to sentence all Transgressors.

Mandatory tracking apps.

Protest marches illegal... organizers and those who post on Social media against Government to be Jailed and receive fines starting at €10,000.

This must all remain until the Virus is totally eliminated, nothing else will be acceptable!

pgj2015

keithb93 wrote: »

The fact that people are actually suggesting that we should be fined for leaving the county for non essential reasons, i don't think im too far off the mark. Same people that would call for level 5 restrictions for the whole country no doubt.

Why are the pubs closed again? Of course people will have house parties when there is nowhere else to enjoy themselves. Alternatives must be provided.

If ye are happy to sit at home and hide for the next 9 months then so be it but don't expect me to.

I in no way want level 5 restrictions. But I feel these level 3 restrictions wont make much difference as there are no fines to keep a dangerous minority in check. I don't even think most of the country should be at level 3 but it is the refusal of a minority of people in Dublin and Donegal, northern Ireland that has the whole country at level 3.

liamog

keithb93 wrote: »

The fact that people are actually suggesting that we should be fined for leaving the county for non essential reasons, i don't think im too far off the mark. Same people that would call for level 5 restrictions for the whole country no doubt.

The reason we have to increase the level of restrictions is because the incidence of the virus has increased. People became far to complacent with the measures and now we're paying for it. Couple that with the modern day robber baron's that seem to control our meat industry and it was always going to require another lock down.
Personally I choose reducing the risk of my elderly parent's getting a disease with serious consequences over your freedom to travel to another county for the craic. If it takes fining you to make you stay put for a couple of weeks, then so be it.

pgj2015

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Exactly Man, this is war!

Marshall Law now!

Suspension of normal Civilian laws,

Army and Gardai checkpoints... Entry to private homes.

Removal of identifying numbers on security forces and all to be armed.

Special criminal court to sentence all Transgressors.

Mandatory tracking apps.

Protest marches illegal... organizers and those who post on Social media against Government to be Jailed and receive fines starting at €10,000.

This must all remain until the Virus is totally eliminated, nothing else will be acceptable!

I know you are being sarcastic but I would be in favor of seeing those anti mask protestors/idiots arrested when they are protesting with no social distancing.

LillySV

pgj2015 wrote: »

yes, well if they dont pay them, an even worse punishment can be brought in.

Take it directly from source .... in many case the social welfare payment

Edit:see someone already said this

893bet

Deleted User wrote: »

We were doing well down here in Waterford until there was a meat factory outbreak. Cases began to soar. Thankfully on the way back down.

What's an appropriate punishment for the meat barons?

The issue in the meat factory is not really the work place. Rather the foreign staff they employ all typically live together also, often in larger than expected numbers. When an outbreak occurs then it spread quickly.

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Exactly Man, this is war!

Marshall Law now!

Suspension of normal Civilian laws,

Army and Gardai checkpoints... Entry to private homes.

Removal of identifying numbers on security forces and all to be armed.

Special criminal court to sentence all Transgressors.

Mandatory tracking apps.

Protest marches illegal... organizers and those who post on Social media against Government to be Jailed and receive fines starting at €10,000.

This must all remain until the Virus is totally eliminated, nothing else will be acceptable!

It you were seriously suggesting all them measures I’d be in agreement with most (martial law is probably a step too far) as would many people in the country who understand the dangers of letting this virus get out of control.

Tenzor07

pgj2015 wrote: »

I know you are being sarcastic but I would be in favor of seeing those anti mask protestors/idiots arrested when they are protesting with no social distancing.

Do you see the slippery slope here?

Tenzor07

Mallory Great Woodpecker wrote: »

It you were seriously suggesting all them measures I’d be in agreement with most (martial law is probably a step too far) as would many people in the country who understand the dangers of letting this virus get out of control.

Have you been on holidays this year?

May I suggest Belarus? I hear it's lovely at this time of year...

xhomelezz

keithb93 wrote: »

The fact that people are actually suggesting that we should be fined for leaving the county for non essential reasons, i don't think im too far off the mark. Same people that would call for level 5 restrictions for the whole country no doubt.

Why are the pubs closed again? Of course people will have house parties when there is nowhere else to enjoy themselves. Alternatives must be provided.

If ye are happy to sit at home and hide for the next 9 months then so be it but don't expect me to.

Not really sure why you suggesting I'm happy to sit at home for next 9 months? I'm not sitting at home, keep working and following guidelines. So if you ask me about fines for people floating rules, definitely yes. Is there anything what makes them exempt from guidelines in Ireland? Don't think so.