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Would you be in favor of covid-19 fines in Ireland?

  • 07-10-2020 8:55am
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    Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭ pgj2015


    I would, fines for people not wearing masks in supermarkets etc very big fines for anyone who has house parties etc. fines for people travelling outside their county for non essential travel. im baffled as to why they have not been introduced.

    Would you be in favor of covid-19 fines in Ireland? 470 votes

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    73% 344 votes
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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭ BobMc


    Voted No, as dont think its practical to collect them if masses decide not too pay them


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭ pgj2015


    BobMc wrote: »
    Voted No, as dont think its practical to collect them if masses decide not too pay them



    yes, well if they dont pay them, an even worse punishment can be brought in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭ dmakc


    No. You cannot incentivise the government to do this. We'll be in level 4 twenty years after the vaccine is introduced.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,003 ✭✭✭ The_Dazzler


    Yes, people taking the piss partying etc. is going to have us in level5 for a long time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭ Tenzor07


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    yes, well if they dont pay them, an even worse punishment can be brought in.

    Damn right, a few gun towers dotted along county borders with their sights set on transgressors!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭ ax530


    No people would just see them as an additional cost to having a party and be willing to pay
    Other s dont have the means to pay so won't causing administration costs the state can't afford


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    I'd be more in favour of leadership from the top.

    Can't expect the peasants to behave when the captains of industry are allowed run amok.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭ pgj2015


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Damn right, a few gun towers dotted along county borders with their sights set on transgressors!




    If people can't behave themselves in times of a 100 year pandemic that has the potential to destroy our country for many years then fines are needed, some people are thick as $hit and need to be treated like the kids they are.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    yes, well if they dont pay them, an even worse punishment can be brought in.

    Such as?


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭ Limpy


    No. Because we have a fine system for many things. Speeding for example. People Still speed.

    Also if it's not in law, ie in the constitution can a fine be enforced?

    How many businesses or government institutions would have to close if rules were really enforced. Basically anyone with a phone could catch a person breaking covid reg, chatting to the neighbor for a few seconds ect with a few kids present.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,778 ✭✭✭✭ Rebekah Weak Sage


    BobMc wrote: »
    Voted No, as dont think its practical to collect them if masses decide not too pay them

    Firstly there are already large fines and jail time available as punishment for not wearing masks in supermarkets but I fully agree fines for leaving county, house parties, meeting in groups outdoor (protests etc) all need to have heavy fines.

    People dont agree with most fines but they pay them.

    Don't pay then court and higher fines or jail time. Fast track a few example cases to court and punish them heavily and slap it all over the new. Any other imbeciles thinking of not pay will be quick to change their mind when they see the consequences.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    People dont agree with most fines but they pay them.

    Don't pay then court and higher fines or jail time. Fast track a few example cases to court and punish them heavily and slap it all over the new. Any other imbeciles thinking of not pay will be quick to change their mind when they see the consequences.
    And the higher fines aren't paid...?

    How many prison places do you think we have?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭ plodder


    The alternative is what is happening on the roads today - stopping and delaying everyone including those with a legitimate reason for being there.

    And we have fines already. The question is the usual one where we ask ourselves is it a law we want to enforce, or just one of the advisory ones.


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,638 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    People dont agree with most fines but they pay them.

    Don't pay then court and higher fines or jail time. Fast track a few example cases to court and punish them heavily and slap it all over the new. Any other imbeciles thinking of not pay will be quick to change their mind when they see the consequences.
    We only have fines of €2500 so good luck with making people pay. I see single mother of 4 on Joe Duffy!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭ pgj2015


    Limpy wrote: »
    No. Because we have a fine system for many things. Speeding for example. People Still speed.

    Also if it's not in law, ie in the constitution can a fine be enforced?

    How many businesses or government institutions would have to close if rules were really enforced. Basically anyone with a phone could catch a person breaking covid reg, chatting to the neighbor for a few seconds ect with a few kids present.




    people still speed but imagine how much speeding there would be if there was no such thing as penalty points and insurers charging you more depending on how many points you have.

    laws can be changed and quickly if in times of crisis such as now. the government could easily introduce fines if they want to.

    businesses arent going to break restrictions unless they are stupid and if they do then they will rightly be heavily fined.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,778 ✭✭✭✭ Rebekah Weak Sage


    And the higher fines aren't paid...?

    How many prison places do you think we have?

    Just take it from their pay or dole in many cases.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23


    At this point yes.
    Level 5 restrictions would destroy our economy for a generation so we need to ensure we don’t go there


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭ pgj2015


    Such as?




    literally anything that would deter people breaking covid restrictions, ban them off the road for a year.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 285 ✭✭ TexasTornado


    Firstly there are already large fines and jail time available as punishment for not wearing masks in supermarkets but I fully agree fines for leaving county, house parties, meeting in groups outdoor (protests etc) all need to have heavy fines.

    People dont agree with most fines but they pay them.

    Don't pay then court and higher fines or jail time. Fast track a few example cases to court and punish them heavily and slap it all over the new. Any other imbeciles thinking of not pay will be quick to change their mind when they see the consequences.

    Jail time? Do you know anything about the prison system. Seriously there is no space for non fine payers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭ screamer


    How about their pps numbers are taken, and if they turn up for Covid treatment can be put at the bottom of the list, or not treated at all? No, too harsh, unfair? These are the exact people who don’t give a **** about anyone else and are quite ok to go around possibly spreading Covid. Why should society care about those who don’t care for others?
    Fine them it’s easy, take it out of their welfare payments or tax credits.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 285 ✭✭ TexasTornado


    Gael23 wrote: »
    At this point yes.
    Level 5 restrictions would destroy our economy for a generation so we need to ensure we don’t go there

    No it wouldn't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭ screamer


    No it wouldn't.

    Yes, it would. We’re already breaking into the rainy day fund to keep going, we can’t afford a level 5 again, we need restrictions with better enforcement so that we can stay going best we can


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 6,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭ liamog


    Yes I'd be in favour of fines, but big fines are counter productive. I'd much rather see people hit with a €15 on the spot fine that is guaranteed to be applied, than a hypothetical large fine that is almost never used.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    Just take it from their pay or dole in many cases.

    So you think taking a 25% (assuming a €50 fine) of a person's dole, which is piss all as is, is appropriate?

    That's not going to lead to further problems?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23


    No it wouldn't.

    For many businesses who are just about keeping their heads above water being forced to close again would be the final nail in the coffin. Especially if they miss out on the Christmas spending spree


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭ froog


    Yes and use all the fines to help with contact tracing or more ICU beds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,069 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    No. Pointless.

    Those that will pay prob are not the ones breaking the rules.

    Those that won’t pay are the ones that don’t give a **** anyway so their behaviour won’t change.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭ Loueze


    Such as?

    Deduction at source, (whether this be wage or welfare) if fine not paid within 28 working days.

    Parents of non-compliant minors (teenagers) fined.

    Suspension of driving licence if fines unpaid (works in the US for non-payment of child support)

    Just throwing out suggestions. Where there is a will, there is a way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    We were doing well down here in Waterford until there was a meat factory outbreak. Cases began to soar. Thankfully on the way back down.

    What's an appropriate punishment for the meat barons?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭ plodder


    liamog wrote: »
    Yes I'd be in favour of fines, but big fines are counter productive. I'd much rather see people hit with a €15 on the spot fine that is guaranteed to be applied, than a hypothetical large fine that is almost never used.
    Exactly. The mistake that's made all the time in this country is to not bother enforcing existing penalties, so we then increase the penalty, turning it into a game of Russian Roulette where only if you are very unlucky are you hit with it.

    Totally agree, on the spot fine of €15 for a first offence, or go to court and risk a €100 fine, then €200 for a second offence ... and so on.


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