Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Darwin

Stheno wrote: »

one word - unions

Er, no. It's people not wanting to pay higher rates of income tax comparable to other countries that have world class healthcare and education.

Tenzor07

is_that_so wrote: »

It's admissions and ICU part of our equation where we fall down. We are vulnerable to collapse quite quickly.

Sure, and that's not you or I or anyone's fault... We pay our taxes and elect those whose problem it is to ensure we've a health system capable of looking after our national health... otherwise reduce our taxes and make everyone take out private healthcare so we can have the medical cover we would expect in a modern EU country...

titan18

Darwin wrote: »

Er, no. It's people not wanting to pay higher rates of income tax comparable to other countries that have world class healthcare and education.

We pay plenty in tax in comparison to most countries. Throwing more money at the problem isnt the solution. We spend plenty on the HSE as it is

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313194890042408960?s=19

Plumbthedepths

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313194890042408960?s=19

Absolute circus.

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313194890042408960?s=19

Why is it on so late when decision seems to have been made hours ago I wonder?

Darwin

titan18 wrote: »

We pay plenty in tax in comparison to most countries. Throwing more money at the problem isnt the solution. We spend plenty on the HSE as it is

Ireland collects one of the lowest amounts of tax as a proportion of GDP in the OECD.

martingriff

begbysback wrote: »

Get it right, it was a few stragglers who went for a game of golf outdoors, went back for something to eat and the place hadn’t handled managed guidelines very well.. Either way all is forgiven, after today all faith has been restored in management after they have grown a pair.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Fook me you are easily pleased.

Kivaro

amber2 wrote: »

€21 billion a year we spend on a health system that’s not fit for purpose and doesn’t have enough ICU beds available and that’s not starting on our education system with class rooms that are double the average EU size, our government through the years have kicked the ball down the road too many Times And now it’s caught up with up with us and it’s all laid bare now.

So we are among one of the top spenders in the world per capita for health systems; yet we are at the very bottom of the table in Europe when it comes to ICU beds. I believe that at this very moment there are only 39 available ICU beds in Ireland.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason for the impending lockdown. And the government knows it could fall when the ICU capacity is reached. The lockdown will be announced this evening in order to protect the ineptitude of our very expensive health system.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

one word - unions

Unions work two ways. I earn substantially less than I would in private practice/industry. If pay was much lower in public sector, I couldn't justify working in the HSE.

Downlinz

What's the logic in the inter-county restriction when every county is under the same level and approaching somewhat similar levels of spread.

Why is it preferable if an Ennis person spreads the virus in an Expert Electrical in Shannon instead of going to Currys in Limerick and spreading it there?

polesheep

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup, I hate getting involved in any conspiracy theory stuff but at this stage I don't think he even had it

That would have been as difficult to fake as a moon landing. He seems to have good health so he was always likely to beat it. There's no conspiracy, he's just a plain old as*hole. Although going by some on here he may yet lose a leg and a couple of lungs.

Spiderman0081

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Are you serious??? He's an attention seeking fùckwit

He is funny though

Pretzill

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313194890042408960?s=19

Christ this is a ****show - they haven't a clue what they're doing - and can't even organise a press briefing hours after leaking crap to the press - between this and that gobdaw Trump ⊙_⊙

TexasTornado

We are now entering the realms of madness. The situation is going to be catastrophic in 4 weeks time and we'll then see a move to level 5.

Pathetically bad governance

Sonny678

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Very positive and encouraging message from Trump. Not the gom he looks.

I wouldnt put Trump in charge of an empty pram. A facist racist gangster who has the mindset of 15 year old bully in the school yard.

Feria40

John O.Groats wrote: »

Really? I recall reading several posts on this forum from people who were calling for the authorities to create extra bank holidays to make up for St Patrick`s Day and the Easter and May bank holidays when the country was at the height of restrictions. Now they may be given what they wanted in December.

Correct on the above but why December? Plenty hols that month as it is.

I find the stretch from January to Paddy's Day the worst myself, a long weekend mid February would be good :pac:

Allinall

Downlinz wrote: »

What's the logic in the inter-county restriction when every county is under the same level and approaching somewhat similar levels of spread.

Why is it preferable if an Ennis person spreads the virus in an Expert Electrical in Shannon instead of going to Currys in Limerick and spreading it there?

Contact tracing is much easier if you stay in your locality.

It’s why there was 2km and 5kn limits back in March and April.

Mental Mickey

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

He is funny though

No he isn't. He's the leader of the supposed free world. He's a self-obsessed idiot

martingriff

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Leo is going to be on Claire Byrne live later to answer questions.

Where the feck is Mehole?

Running for the hills. Hey Leo you want the reins here have them tonight BYE

JP Liz V1

begbysback wrote: »

Donald the legend, leading from the front.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070

CruelSummer

Goldengirl wrote: »

NPHET means National Public Health Emergency Team , which is by definition an emergency team of public health and medical experts!
Would you have medical doctors on IBEC , or nurses on ESRI ?

No but the restrictions have further reaching consequences than just the remit of a Covid only focus. This currently seems not to be considered at all. I’m not sure if it’s because NPHET want to dictate all policy during this emergency or if the government want to hide behind them and make no decisions for which they could be held accountable. There needs to be more experts involved in the far reaching consequences for society some of these restrictions may have in my view.

begbysback

TexasTornado wrote: »

We are now entering the realms of madness. The situation is going to be catastrophic in 4 weeks time and we'll then see a move to level 5.

Pathetically bad governance

Or, just maybe, you have been bombarded with scaremongering media, and like most other countries we can function to a high degree with the virus.

titan18

Darwin wrote: »

Ireland collects one of the lowest amounts of tax as a proportion of GDP in the OECD.

Our gdp is inflated by multinationals and has feck all to do with how much most of the country earn though tbf

Spiderman0081

Darwin wrote: »

Er, no. It's people not wanting to pay higher rates of income tax comparable to other countries that have world class healthcare and education.

Paying higher tax in Ireland will certainly not equate to world class health care like other countries.

Feria40

Darwin wrote: »

Ireland collects one of the lowest amounts of tax as a proportion of GDP in the OECD.

But remember leprechaun economics, our GDP is completely out of whack with reality.

Having said that I do recall reading somewhere that we would be bottom half of the table versus peers

Goldengirl

speckle wrote: »

So what have other countries done to increase their ICU numbers in a short time.
Well, Bahrain opened a 130 bed field ICU in a car park in 7 days after 2 days planning. Note they didn't employ more staff only reallocated them.

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/bahrain/bahrain-converts-parking-into-130-bed-covid-19-unit-in-seven-days-1.1586537609053

And just in case anyone like... just maybe the Irish government needs it, here is the paper on how the did it. And we have links already with the medical community over there including those involved in this plan via the college of surgeons

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/140A737948EBEC5A6F18ADC7B21A8D4B/S1935789320002979a.pdf/establishing_a_130bedded_field_intensive_care_unit_to_prepare_for_covid19_in_7_days_in_bahrain_military_hospital.pdf

Then they went on to build a second field hospital

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlE1nDB3JZ8

And a video of some of largest filed hospitals built for both moderate and ICU cases. No excuse from a government anymore if the run out of beds and staff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JM0hQ-YBv8

An if not needed for ICU, it could be used for covid infectious positive people to stay away from high risk family members or quarantining visitors from abroad or to deal with the backlog of outpatient appointments or minor surgeries or high risk patients etc.

No excuse to level 5 it here, this disease is not Ebola or its likes.

Interesting podcast last night Soeckle , thanks .
Reinforces what I have been saying all along .
Staff will be taken from areas like theatre and recovery to staff ICU beds if necessary , but the down shot of this is a reduction in general medical and elective surgery .
There are, simply put , as I and other in the area have said , not enough specially trained and experienced nurses to run extra ICU beds .
Nurses from other areas will have to work supervised for quite a while to be able to perform with any level of autonomy, and in situations like this there is little time to train or supervise .
Last year when I said this on the Nurses strike thread that specialist nurses were leaving Ireland to work in Australia , UAE and Canada because they were not adequately paid for their qualifications and experience , I was told by some who are shouting on this thread for " more beds , more ICU beds , now ! " that there were enough nurses in Ireland , and that they were better paid than anywhere else .
These nurses some of whom tried to come back initially when the crisis began should be offered flights home , and re registration in Ireland asap along with a compensatory bonus for coming home to help in what is, after all , a national emergency.
Present re registration is taking at least 3 months btw , which is ridiculous as most of the qualifications are standardised internationally and have been for years .

Signore Fancy Pants

It wouldnt kill anyone for the government to show some leadership.

However, it may if they dont.

C'mon ye c.unts. if Covid doesnt highlight the issues with the health service, nothing will.

speckle

froog wrote: »

i'm not sure building ICU beds is the main issue, it's finding the people to staff them. i'm sure bahrain have bags of money to throw at nurses. probably plenty of irish nurses over there too.

That's why I noted on the top of the post that they did not employ more staff but reallocated them. There is an interview with the guy in charge talking to the royal college of surgeons covid response team I can post later if you like. We need to stop finding excuses just do things. Not including you in that beacase asking questions always the right thing.

Spiderman0081

Mental Mickey wrote: »

No he isn't. He's a self-obsessed idiot

Both Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson are self-obsessed.