Schools closed until February? (part 3)

combat14

facehugger99 wrote: »

Maybe we should shut down for 10 weeks just to be sure?

I mean, with the way teachers and children are dropping dead left, right and centre, it's the only sensible option.

1200+ cases today ..


Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health said: “Cases notified over the past week have increased by 82% compared with the previous 7 days."

It's not about kids and teachers dropping down dead like flies.. what about the almost 2,000 dead in the country so far the tens of thousands of projected deaths if we lose a real grip on this virus and the countless long term covid victims whose long term health will be severely affected perhaps for the rest of their lives ...

Darwin

Schools should consider hosting weddings, it's the only place "safe" left where large congregations are allowed.

meeeeh

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/dhubhda/status/1316767840016502787?s=19

If it's on twitter it must be true.

Do you have an actual link or is gossip now fact?

BTW my kids have courses on safe use of Internet. Maybe some teachers should listen to them too.

wirelessdude01

meeeeh wrote: »

If it's on twitter it must be true.

Do you have an actual link or is gossip now fact?

BTW my kids have courses on safe use of Internet. Maybe some teachers should listen to them too.

You obviously don't know who that account belongs to.

appledrop

appledrop wrote: »

Dr. Colm Henry, Chief Clinical Officer for HSE has today stated that 80% of positive Covid cases at present have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic.

This is especially the case with young people.

FFS lads do you think the penny might finally drop that the schools are spreading this???????

Imagine if they actually did random testing in schools like Nursing Homes or Meat Factories what numbers would be like???

But not only are they not doing this they are actually dangerously ignoring genuine close contacts in schools + brushing it under the carpet.

Have you seen the rate of positive cases associated with contact tracing in schools? And this is not random, as everyone tell us, they are seriously limiting the number of close contacts in school, so should be worst case

anais

wirelessdude01 wrote:

They seem to be using the fact that secondary students are wearing masks and don't spend two consecutive hours together as the basis for not being a cloae contact. Anything to avoid having to test is my opinion.

You should look up the Facebook page alerting parents to cases. It's scary how many children in close proximity for many hours a day are not deemed 'close contacts'. The page has over 95thousand members who send in screenshots official hse communications. Almost all teachers are not deemed close contact. My worry is about asymptomatic cases passing it around communities

meeeeh

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You obviously don't know who that account belongs to.

It could be the Donald 2 for what I care. It still doesn't provide any link to where/who/when...

jamesbondings

anais wrote: »

You should look up the Facebook page alerting parents to cases. It's scary how many children in close proximity for many hours a day are not deemed 'close contacts'. The page has over 95thousand members who send in screenshots official hse communications. Almost all teachers are not deemed close contact. My worry is about asymptomatic cases passing it around communities

the local primary school sent out a letter recently confirming a positive case. 0 close contacts .....makes no sense. if the child was in its pod then there had to be at least 3 or 4 close contacts.
my partner is a teacher but they have not been advised to prep for the worst. i told her she better so i can work and study while she is able to mind the little lad!

beggars_bush

Darwin wrote: »

Schools should consider hosting weddings, it's the only place "safe" left where large congregations are allowed.

Could make up for shortfalls in funding

Inquitus

anais wrote: »

You should look up the Facebook page alerting parents to cases. It's scary how many children in close proximity for many hours a day are not deemed 'close contacts'. The page has over 95thousand members who send in screenshots official hse communications. Almost all teachers are not deemed close contact. My worry is about asymptomatic cases passing it around communities

Kid of some of my Son's classes who he plays with maskless on the playground and sits next to wearing a mask tested positive, again 0 close contacts, and no tests required by the HSE. Its deliberate obfuscation at this point.

Icyseanfitz

jamesbondings wrote: »

the local primary school sent out a letter recently confirming a positive case. 0 close contacts .....makes no sense. if the child was in its pod then there had to be at least 3 or 4 close contacts.
my partner is a teacher but they have not been advised to prep for the worst. i told her she better so i can work and study while she is able to mind the little lad!

Everything ive seen and heard makes me strongly believe the government will keep schools plodding along exactly as is, id even go far as to say they will prioritize it over our health system at this stage.

combat14

Covid-19 spreading in homes via doorbells, towels and cutlery, Varadkar warns

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-spreading-in-homes-via-doorbells-towels-and-cutlery-varadkar-warns-1.4382237?mode=amp


how are schools so magically safe If the virus is so easily spread according to Leo in bathrooms etc in private homes..???

Scoondal

combat14 wrote: »

Covid-19 spreading in homes via doorbells, towels and cutlery, Varadkar warns

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-spreading-in-homes-via-doorbells-towels-and-cutlery-varadkar-warns-1.4382237?mode=amp


how are schools so magically safe If the virus is so easily spread according to Leo in bathrooms etc in private homes..???

More "off-the-wall" rubbish from a bunch of idiots.

combat14

Scoondal wrote: »

More "off-the-wall" rubbish from a bunch of idiots.

these are the guys running the country, making the decisions for all of us and ignoring NPHET

irishblessing

I have a friend who lives in the Cavan area where it has the highest rate of covid in Ireland. Her fb page has a running commentary of parents talking about pulling their kids from school from tomorrow. There's so much stress. One person said how she's scared one of them might come down with it and be very ill as he's the only one working and if she catches it he would have to stay home to look after her and the children. It's probably on many of our minds...

khalessi

combat14 wrote: »

no schools are magical special places

One of the kids said to me today if schools are so safe why dont we send all the grandparents to them, lol.

Icyseanfitz

khalessi wrote: »

One of the kids said to me today if schools are so safe why dont we send all the grandparents to them, lol.

They do make a good point :pac: had a similar question last week about sports training getting shut down but schools being safe, couldn't answer them.

DaSilva

Why are they still saying that children don't contribute to transmission, it might be lower probability than adults and it might still be worth keeping schools open despite the risk on the balance of things, but the idea that they don't transmit is just wishful thinking.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937e3.htm
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/1/20-3849_article

gar32

I live in Germany and school's opened in April here after 1 month of home schooling. Very few Covid 19 cases in schools. Zero dead children and NO MASKS!!!!!

Death rate is the same a Flu. Open up like Sweden did and get on with your lives !!!!

kowloonkev

gar32 wrote: »

I live in Germany and school's opened in April here after 1 month of home schooling. Very few Covid 19 cases in schools. Zero dead children and NO MASKS!!!!!

Death rate is the same a Flu. Open up like Sweden did and get on with your lives !!!!

Are they testing all the children, even if they don't have symptoms? If not, then the 'very few cases' is just a guess.

My guess would be that kids are getting it at a similar rate to adults, and passing it on at a similar rate at school and at home and governments are being disingenuous to keep schools open just like they were disingenuous about discouraging masks when we didn't have enough to go around.

khalessi

DaSilva wrote: »

Why are they still saying that children don't contribute to transmission, it might be lower probability than adults and it might still be worth keeping schools open despite the risk on the balance of things, but the idea that they don't transmit is just wishful thinking.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937e3.htm
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/1/20-3849_article

Well the HSE might read the second one as it is Europeanand then ignore it

facehugger99

khalessi wrote: »

One of the kids said to me today if schools are so safe why dont we send all the grandparents to them, lol.

One of my kids said to me today, 'why are you always making up stuff that I said and posting it on the internet?'

khalessi

facehugger99 wrote: »

One of my kids said to me today, 'why are you always making up stuff that I said and posting it on the internet?'

Awww poor kids, you probably told them all about Santa and tooth fairy, why should they have a nice life and you didnt.

I am sending a hug I feel you need it.

Away With The Fairies

combat14 wrote: »

Covid-19 spreading in homes via doorbells, towels and cutlery, Varadkar warns

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-spreading-in-homes-via-doorbells-towels-and-cutlery-varadkar-warns-1.4382237?mode=amp


how are schools so magically safe If the virus is so easily spread according to Leo in bathrooms etc in private homes..???

Pretty sure they aren't tracking infections to a doorbell. They really haven't a clue.

irishblessing

gar32 wrote: »

I live in Germany and school's opened in April here after 1 month of home schooling. Very few Covid 19 cases in schools. Zero dead children and NO MASKS!!!!!

Death rate is the same a Flu. Open up like Sweden did and get on with your lives !!!!

You live in Germany? Hmm..so surely you know the school system there widely varies?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/germany-s-covid-school-reopening-attracts-less-than-glowing-reports-1.4338748

Germany’s federal structure means 16 states all operate their own education systems, from choice of lesson material to holiday dates.

"Each has its own rules on distancing and face masks: some now require masks in classrooms, others just in corridors.
All returned states have had infections of pupils and teachers, quarantines and, in some cases, school closures. State authorities all insist that – despite a reported 400 school infection cases nationwide, and rising – the situation is manageable, for now.

“We’ve teachers who are diabetic and over 60 being told they have to teach, and risk-group parents worried their children will bring something home,” says Dr Ilka Hoffmann, GEW’s federal spokeswoman on schools. “We see no coherent strategy, just politicians responding to a business lobby demand to open schools so their employees can return to work.”
Berlin schools were given just three days to adapt a general hygiene plan to their buildings. The 1.5m distance rule no longer applies, allowing class sizes to return to normal, though most have abolished “streams” to minimise mixing of pupils.
Where possible, schools should have dedicated stairwells for each year and capacity limits in smaller rooms. Another rule is to ventilate classrooms between lessons. That’s no problem in Robert Jungk – an airy complex opened in 2001 – but impossible in other schools built in the 1970s, or even the 1870s.
Von Pluto says pupils have been generally good at wearing masks, though some need reminding. Extra school cleaning has been provided by the local authority, he adds, but the pandemic has highlighted long-existing weaknesses in digital learning."

Sounds familiar...

Also COVID and Flu can't be compared.

wirelessdude01

facehugger99 wrote: »

One of my kids said to me today, 'why are you always making up stuff that I said and posting it on the internet?'

What was your answer?

It's terrible once even the kids cop onto the lies.

😁

Lillyfae

irishblessing wrote: »

You live in Germany? Hmm..so surely you know the school system there widely varies?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/germany-s-covid-school-reopening-attracts-less-than-glowing-reports-1.4338748

That's true, Germany is a big country divided by provinces so there's definitely variation.

I just don't know what teachers here expect though. Closures and reopenings are happening everywhere to try and stop the spread where possible, but to achieve the total closure of schools would be more damaging to children, mental health and the economy than the virus. To eliminate any risk would require totally closing schools. Indefinitely.

This year and possibly subsequent years are going to be difficult for everyone. There are going to be disruptions and it's absolutely stressful, I appreciate that a lot is being asked of you. But the constant pearl clutching and emotional blackmail is unbelievable. The insults being thrown at working parents, the "parents are the primary educators under the constitution" comments. What do you think happens if schools close again? Working mothers become the "primary educators". These Facebook and Twitter pages are achieving nothing more than a deterrent for subs to provide cover, so that's a great own goal for them.

Remote learning might work for Secondary level. But it won't work for primary, and we know already that engagement from all sides wasn't sufficient. It might be ok for a teacher to pick up the child's learning from wherever it was left in who knows how many months/years, but that's not ok for the child's development, especially considering their peers in other countries are carrying on undeterred. The world is becoming ever more connected considering the adaptations that have been made in order to overcome the stay-at-home orders. Irish children will be left behind.

Hodors Appletart

Are some schools ploughing their own furrow?

My son's class had a positive case identified on Monday evening, all the kids were told to stay home and then the HSE let the school know that they are considering all kids, the teacher the special resource teacher and the SNA all to be close contacts. We had a test on Weds evening, as did the rest of the kids and adults, and the tests came back negative.

The kids are still not allowed back until next Friday (14 days after first contact with the pos case)

Is this not happening in all schools?

wirelessdude01

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

Are some schools ploughing their own furrow?

My son's class had a positive case identified on Monday evening, all the kids were told to stay home and then the HSE let the school know that they are considering all kids, the teacher the special resource teacher and the SNA all to be close contacts. We had a test on Weds evening, as did the rest of the kids and adults, and the tests came back negative.

The kids are still not allowed back until next Friday (14 days after first contact with the pos case)

Is this not happening in all schools?

Nope not happening in most/all schools.

If they can find a loophole at all they are. Loads of stories now coming out from teacher friends of those classes/pods/staff not considered close contacts and who subsequently get a test referral through a GP as the GP considers them a close contact. I know of teachers who weren't considered a cose contzct after a few case in their class who then tested positive after the GP referral .

See if they aren't found via a test organised/recommended by the public health team then they aren't considered a school case.

We are beginning to hear stories of teachers in a certain secondary sector being told that they are expected back to school between having their test and receiving their results

LittleBrick

Lillyfae wrote: »

That's true, Germany is a big country divided by provinces so there's definitely variation.

I just don't know what teachers here expect though. Closures and reopenings are happening everywhere to try and stop the spread where possible, but to achieve the total closure of schools would be more damaging to children, mental health and the economy than the virus. To eliminate any risk would require totally closing schools. Indefinitely.

This year and possibly subsequent years are going to be difficult for everyone. There are going to be disruptions and it's absolutely stressful, I appreciate that a lot is being asked of you. But the constant pearl clutching and emotional blackmail is unbelievable. The insults being thrown at working parents, the "parents are the primary educators under the constitution" comments. What do you think happens if schools close again? Working mothers become the "primary educators". These Facebook and Twitter pages are achieving nothing more than a deterrent for subs to provide cover, so that's a great own goal for them.

Remote learning might work for Secondary level. But it won't work for primary, and we know already that engagement from all sides wasn't sufficient. It might be ok for a teacher to pick up the child's learning from wherever it was left in who knows how many months/years, but that's not ok for the child's development, especially considering their peers in other countries are carrying on undeterred. The world is becoming ever more connected considering the adaptations that have been made in order to overcome the stay-at-home orders. Irish children will be left behind.

Lillyfae, I remember you being very vocal against teachers and closures back in March and April too, so no surprise you are contesting them at these points as well.

We are not asking for indefinite school closures. We are asking for the government to actually look after the health and safety of the educators and children in schools. We want proper and sufficient contact tracing and testing in school. We want a "close contact" to be the same in schools as it is in all other parts of society. We want to be treated with the decency and understanding that all other workers and workplaces are being treated with in regards social distancing.