Schools closed until February? (part 3)

tom1ie

2ndcoming wrote: »

I'm sure the entire population will be flat to the boards at the computer on the 22nd December alright. Get a grip of yourself man.

Yep working right up to 23rd.

teachinggal123

Boggles wrote: »

It's very simple, if they close the schools 2 days early, that gives 7 days to Christmas day.

If people isolate for those 7 days, the chances of having a safer Christmas, i.e. not passing the virus onto the most vulnerable or passing the virus on full stop will mean we can go longer without wide sweeping restrictions again.

This is not my opinion, NPHET have stated they expect the reproductive to be 3 or above for Christmas, because the majority will not follow any sort of guidelines.

This is true and a sensible suggestion. However, public opinion is unlikely to accept it.


Would you:
1. Come back 2 days earlier?
2. Take these 2 days unpaid?


If not, then you probably don't care about COVID and transmission rates etc and are just looking for 2 days off.

joe40

Boggles wrote: »

I don't really care.

The idea IMO is sound.

I have yet to here a reason why it isn't.

Again less focus on the teacher bashing (great craic :rolleyes:), engage the brain and problem solve.

The idea is not sound. The disruption caused to many families, would far outweigh any marginal benefits. Parents that are in a position to remove their kids for those days could easily do so, why force everyone to do that.

Blondini

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Well done with the general sweeping generalization though - you're a model parent, the best in the world and your kids are lucky to have you as their parent. Or else you don't have kids and don't have a clue what you're talking about.

To have to resort to a personal insult (albeit an innacurate one), reflects on your ability to express yourself.

All I suggested was that not all parents are equal. That's a fact surely.

Smacruairi

teachinggal123 wrote: »

This is true and a sensible suggestion. However, public opinion is unlikely to accept it.


Would you:
1. Come back 2 days earlier?
2. Take these 2 days unpaid?


If not, then you probably don't care about COVID and transmission rates etc and are just looking for 2 days off.

It's a first, I actually agree with you teachinggal. As far as I could see from colleagues talking about it today, who by the way never asked for nor wanted this, the only reason would be to get home earlier. Likrwise kids would just treat them time as holiday time, not be safe. They wouldn't isolate until Xmas etc, it would be straight home, so no, I don't buy the rationale.

Is really annoying when there are actual grievances with schools at the moment, and this nonsense sidetracks it. The cynic in me would think that it's all a circus to distract from the numbers not going down again.

awec

Smacruairi wrote: »

It's a first, I actually agree with you teachinggal. As far as I could see from colleagues talking about it today, who by the way never asked for nor wanted this, the only reason would be to get home earlier. Likrwise kids would just treat them time as holiday time, not be safe. They wouldn't isolate until Xmas etc, it would be straight home, so no, I don't buy the rationale.

Is really annoying when there are actual grievances with schools at the moment, and this nonsense sidetracks it. The cynic in me would think that it's all a circus to distract from the numbers not going down again.

It was started by a statement from TUI, so I'm not sure this really holds.

It sounds like the teachers that are a member of TUI need to ask their union why they are making statements if they are not representative of their members views.

HerrKuehn

Smacruairi wrote: »

It's a first, I actually agree with you teachinggal. As far as I could see from colleagues talking about it today, who by the way never asked for nor wanted this, the only reason would be to get home earlier. Likrwise kids would just treat them time as holiday time, not be safe. They wouldn't isolate until Xmas etc, it would be straight home, so no, I don't buy the rationale.

Is really annoying when there are actual grievances with schools at the moment, and this nonsense sidetracks it. The cynic in me would think that it's all a circus to distract from the numbers not going down again.

Do you think the TUI are trying to distract from the numbers not going down? Why would they do that?

teachinggal123

Smacruairi wrote: »

It's a first, I actually agree with you teachinggal. As far as I could see from colleagues talking about it today, who by the way never asked for nor wanted this, the only reason would be to get home earlier. Likrwise kids would just treat them time as holiday time, not be safe. They wouldn't isolate until Xmas etc, it would be straight home, so no, I don't buy the rationale.

Is really annoying when there are actual grievances with schools at the moment, and this nonsense sidetracks it. The cynic in me would think that it's all a circus to distract from the numbers not going down again.

The TUI brain trust at work again.

Did I hear the TUI guy correctly on Virgin Media news there, ''teachers are tired'' is what he said. What sympathy I had for teachers gone when I heard that scutter.

I'm still tired from the 6 months I did working at home on my own till 4pm every day with a 2 and a 6 year old. My partner is fit to drop form the 6 days weeks she's been doing. So TUI tell me again about teachers being tired and not 3 weeks since they had a 2 week holiday.

meeeeh

Blondini wrote: »

To have to resort to a personal insult (albeit an innacurate one), reflects on your ability to express yourself.

All I suggested was that not all parents are equal. That's a fact surely.

I might be a desperate parent. Does that mean my kids are not entitled to proper education? Surely if some parents are so bad this is the best argument to keep schools open.

wirelessdude01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did I hear the TUI guy correctly on Virgin Media news there, ''teachers are tired'' is what he said. What sympathy I had for teachers gone when I heard that scutter.

I'm still tired from the 6 months I did working at home on my own till 4pm every day with a 2 and a 6 year old. My partner is fit to drop form the 6 days weeks she's been doing. So TUI tell me again about teachers being tired and not 3 weeks since they had a 2 week holiday.

Where did this two week holiday occur and why weren't teachers from Ireland invited?

um7y1h83ge06nx

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Where did this two week holiday occur and why weren't teachers from Ireland invited?

I presume he's talking about the mid term, how ever long and whenever that was.

Blondini

meeeeh wrote: »

I might be a desperate parent. Does that mean my kids are not entitled to proper education? Surely if some parents are so bad this is the best argument to keep schools open.

Agreed. I want schools open, but I was just pointing out to that user that my point was a fact.

Birdy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did I hear the TUI guy correctly on Virgin Media news there, ''teachers are tired'' is what he said. What sympathy I had for teachers gone when I heard that scutter.

I'm still tired from the 6 months I did working at home on my own till 4pm every day with a 2 and a 6 year old. My partner is fit to drop form the 6 days weeks she's been doing. So TUI tell me again about teachers being tired and not 3 weeks since they had a 2 week holiday.

It was 4 days.

The absolute bile spouted about teachers since March never fails to astound me. They have worked tirelessly throughout this pandemic to educate their students.

Now people are losing it at the prospect of a day and a half being taken from the end of term. It is absolutely laughable.

Schools are contributing to the spread and if closing them a few days early helps to significantly reduce the R number for Christmas then I'm all for it.

Smacruairi

HerrKuehn wrote: »

Do you think the TUI are trying to distract from the numbers not going down? Why would they do that?

I've no idea what they are thinking, they're not my union, I'm asti and happy to be. This is just nonsense stuff like. Not one colleague I know was even considering this like

HerrKuehn

Smacruairi wrote: »

I've no idea what they are thinking, they're not my union, I'm asti and happy to be. This is just nonsense stuff like. Not one colleague I know was even considering this like

Well, it wouldn't really seem to be in their interest to try to distract from the numbers remaining steady. So why would they do it?

teachinggal123

Birdy wrote: »

The absolute bile spouted about teachers since March never fails to astound me. They have worked tirelessly throughout this pandemic to educate their students.

This has been discussed here endlessly.

Some teachers worked. Others did nothing. This has been accepted by most of the main contributors to this thread.

Birdy wrote: »

Schools are contributing to the spread and if closing them a few days early helps to significantly reduce the R number for Christmas then I'm all for it.

Have you anything to back up that claim?

The most recent research I've seen (from this morning) is that schools are not contributing significantly to the spread of the virus.

Teacher2020

I'm actually embarrassed to be a teacher considering the things that the unions keep putting out there. For the sake of 2 days would we not just plough on?! Teacher fatigue?! I'm not any more fatigued than I am normally and I believe that December will be much less stressful than normal. The biggest stress of December - the Christmas play- is gone! The amount of time that a play takes up is unbelievable and I do be stressed to the max in the lead up to it! December will be a walk in the park without it and without all the normal silliness that goes with Christmas such as Santa visits, panto trips, Christmas masses etc.

Why are we bothering even talking about it? The unions should be more focused on securing more funding for PPE and cleaning for schools for January as we were told that the money we got was to last until Christmas so we need more for the second term.

meeeeh

Teacher2020 wrote: »

I'm actually embarrassed to be a teacher considering the things that the unions keep putting out there. For the sake of 2 days would we not just plough on?! Teacher fatigue?! I'm not any more fatigued than I am normally and I believe that December will be much less stressful than normal. The biggest stress of December - the Christmas play- is gone! The amount of time that a play takes up is unbelievable and I do be stressed to the max in the lead up to it! December will be a walk in the park without it and without all the normal silliness that goes with Christmas such as Santa visits, panto trips, Christmas masses etc.

Hehe I must be the most ungrateful parent being bored senseless watching kid's play until mine come on for 30 seconds (they have my acting talent) and then continue to be bored till the end.

Oh and I don't like Late Late Toy show either.... You can shoot me now.

TheValeyard

teachinggal123 wrote: »

This is true and a sensible suggestion. However, public opinion is unlikely to accept it.


Would you:
1. Come back 2 days earlier?
2. Take these 2 days unpaid?


If not, then you probably don't care about COVID and transmission rates etc and are just looking for 2 days off.

I'd have no problem with taking two days off early for Christmas and extend the last term by two days in June if it could form some part of circuit breaker or isolation reasons. Also by June, Covid situation could be very different and normal school activities maybe able to resume, even have a sports day.

SusanC10

I really don't get the animosity towards Teachers.
All of us had a choice on whether to pursue a career in Teaching. They chose to. Personally, I would not in a million years have the patience.
Before anyone asks, my Husband is not a Teacher, neither were my Parents or Siblings.

I know not everyone had the same experience but we were very happy and impressed in particular with the Secondary School and how quickly the Staff adapted and had everything up and running online on Monday March 16th. This coming from a school who did not use iPads or have online platforms at all prior.
The Primary Teacher was also good and more importantly available.
All this talk of Teachers not working is in the minority. In my (limited) experience the Teachers were putting in more hours between March and June.

khalessi

I asked this on another thread and received the below response.

Were any TUI teachers asked about this or did the TUI just go off on a whim?

None were asked. And when I say none, I mean none.It was really cringy this morning on Newstalk. Ciara Kelly asked the TUI rep if they had asked teachers and he said no. To clarify she asked him if they had just come up with this themselves and he responded that yes, they had just come up with it themselves.

I do think it is important amongst all the negativity and teacher bashing here today to remember teachers did not ask for this or say anything about needing days off, he went off on his own tangent.

TheValeyard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did I hear the TUI guy correctly on Virgin Media news there, ''teachers are tired'' is what he said. What sympathy I had for teachers gone when I heard that scutter.

I'm still tired from the 6 months I did working at home on my own till 4pm every day with a 2 and a 6 year old. My partner is fit to drop form the 6 days weeks she's been doing. So TUI tell me again about teachers being tired and not 3 weeks since they had a 2 week holiday.

What two week holiday? You mean four days right?

Edit: other posters already addressed this.

meeeeh

SusanC10 wrote: »

I really don't get the animosity towards Teachers..

I have absolutely no animosity towards teachers. I will admit to intense dislike of unions though.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Teacher2020 wrote: »

Why are we bothering even talking about it? The unions should be more focused on securing more funding for PPE and cleaning for schools for January as we were told that the money we got was to last until Christmas so we need more for the second term.

And that is something I think the vast majority of the public, myself included, would support. It's only right you and your students get adequate PPE, be madness if the government don't make more funding available.

Boggles

Lillyfae wrote: »

Because 7 days isn’t enough for isolation,

The median incubation period for COVID‐19 is four to five days. Most symptomatic people experience symptoms within two to seven days after exposure

Lillyfae wrote: »

because a lot of people will use the extra 2 days to do a spot of Christmas shopping and totally ignore any guidelines anyway.

Surely that is a good thing.

There is no guidelines I am aware of that preclude shopping.

It's a relatively safe exercise which would stimulate the local economy which has taken the absolute brunt of the restrictions to keep the schools fully open.

awec

Boggles wrote: »

Surely that is a good thing.

There is no guidelines I am aware of that preclude shopping.

It's a relatively safe exercise which would stimulate the local economy which has taken the absolute brunt of the restrictions to keep the schools fully open.

Have you been living under a rock?

The current guidelines preclude shopping. You are not supposed to go out for anything non essential. Retailers that sell essential items can open if they have click and collect.

You think people can take 2 days off work to go walk round the shops? This is genuinely a bizarre notion given the events of the past month.

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

Hehe I must be the most ungrateful parent being bored senseless watching kid's play until mine come on for 30 seconds (they have my acting talent) and then continue to be bored till the end.

Oh and I don't like Late Late Toy show either.... You can shoot me now.

Color me shocked!

Boggles

awec wrote: »

Have you been living under a rock?

The current guidelines preclude shopping. You are not supposed to go out for anything non essential. Retailers that sell essential items can open if they have click and collect.

So you can shop as much as want as long as the place is open, correct?

awec wrote: »

You think people can take 2 days off work to go walk round the shops? This is genuinely a bizarre notion given the events of the past month.

Wasn't my suggestion.

awec

Boggles wrote: »

So you can shop as much as want as long as the place is open, correct?




Wasn't my suggestion.

No, incorrect.

You are only supposed to go out for essential reasons.