All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

PintOfView

GT89 wrote: »

It is credible that covid may be seasonal. January is typically the month with highest cases of seasonal illnesses and was the month with highest covid cases, cases of seasonal illnesses tend to go up when schools go back especially around October and November covid cases went up in those months. Cases of seasonal illnesses go down dramatically in the months of June/July covid was virtually non existent then in Ireland.

We had a lockdown in November and cases went down yes I accept that but they did not go down to the extent they did in April/May 2020 and not to the level NPHET anticipated with level 5 restrictions.

If it's seasonal why did we have peak deaths in April last year?
Every other year peak deaths were in January, followed by March!

And what do you think we would have had if we didn't lock down last April and May?

EyesClosed

PintOfView wrote: »

If it's seasonal why did we have peak deaths in April last year?
Every other year peak deaths were in January, followed by March!

And what do you think we would have had if we didn't lock down last April and May?

Also all this talk of seasonal or not is totally off point. Its a smoke screen to deflect away from the thread title... As nobody can point to one measure that will be permanent.

robinph

GT89 wrote: »

Because children's minds are like sponges they going to believe what they are taught by their parents and teachers their brains are not developed enough to independently think.

It's something parents of a particular side the argument will often bring out and say things like "well my 5 year old can wear a mask over their mouth and nose, amazing how some adults can't". Your 5 year old wears a mask because you either a) are telling them to do so or b) because they see mammy or daddy doing so they think they must also do so.

On the other hand if you taught your children that covid is a hoax they too will also explain that it's a hoax too. That's the way children work.

So for a moment assume we're all five year olds. Explain in simple terms what the conspiracy actually is?

I also expect you to answer the standard follow up question that any five year old will ask when your explanation doesn't make sense...

But why?

The Nal

GT89 wrote: »

It is credible that covid may be seasonal. January is typically the month with highest cases of seasonal illnesses and was the month with highest covid cases, cases of seasonal illnesses tend to go up when schools go back especially around October and November covid cases went up in those months. Cases of seasonal illnesses go down dramatically in the months of June/July covid was virtually non existent then in Ireland.

Well its summer in Brazil at the moment so explain this please

pearcider wrote: »

Well clearly it’s too early to tell. But the signs are there for those who would see them. The free peoples of the planet increasingly concern themselves with trivial things. The free press is no more. Silicon Valley is malevolent towards dissent. The politicians are bought and paid for. The free nations are bankrupt, a communist superpower has arisen and nobody may dare question the technocrats.

*YAWN*

Yeah yeah. Soros, Gates, NWO etc.

Real boring garden variety fact free paranoid lunatic posting.

arccosh

The Nal wrote: »

Well its summer in Brazil at the moment so explain this please

"lalalalala your facts aren't facts"

King Mob

EyesClosed wrote: »

Also all this talk of seasonal or not is totally off point. Its a smoke screen to deflect away from the thread title... As nobody can point to one measure that will be permanent.

Getting close to the big 200.
Gonna win that bet...

arccosh

on the thread title...

Western Australia due to remove all restrictions from Monday... I guess they didn't get the memo

mandrake04

arccosh wrote: »

on the thread title...

Western Australia due to remove all restrictions from Monday... I guess they didn't get the memo

Similar in NSW https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/nsw-covid-19-restrictions-easing-from-monday-march-29/100025548

although its been very normal since November its hard to believe its been nearly a year since the state started to open up 15th May last year.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/nsw-to-ease-restrictions-week-0

GT89

mandrake04 wrote: »

Similar in NSW https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-24/nsw-covid-19-restrictions-easing-from-monday-march-29/100025548

although its been very normal since November its hard to believe its been nearly a year since the state started to open up 15th May last year.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/nsw-to-ease-restrictions-week-0

It's the same in Florida

EyesClosed

GT89 wrote: »

It's the same in Florida

So no covid measures will be permanent... The thread is pointless

arccosh

Also for good measure... Madrid Municipal has minimal restrictions

King Mob

EyesClosed wrote: »

So no covid measures will be permanent... The thread is pointless

Nah. It had a point.
Next big pandemic or similar crisis we can point back to this thread when the same conspiracy theorists are claiming that "this time they're really going to declare martial law!" etc.

Dohnjoe

King Mob wrote: »

Nah. It had a point.
Next big pandemic or similar crisis we can point back to this thread when the same conspiracy theorists are claiming that "this time they're really going to declare martial law!" etc.

"It was a test run"

King Mob

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"It was a test run"

"This time it's different."

harrylittle

The Nal wrote: »

Well its summer in Brazil at the moment so explain this please







*YAWN*

Yeah yeah. Soros, Gates, NWO etc.

Real boring garden variety fact free paranoid lunatic posting.

Yeah ... fake PCR tests ... pcr cases rising ... number of deaths flatlining .. proof pcr test fake

EyesClosed

harrylittle wrote: »

Yeah ... fake PCR tests ... pcr cases rising ... number of deaths flatlining .. proof pcr test fake

So what's permanent?

King Mob

harrylittle wrote: »

Yeah ... fake PCR tests ... pcr cases rising ... number of deaths flatlining .. proof pcr test fake

Yes. That's a string of random words.
If you have a point, you need to express it using full sentences.
And then for your point to be taken seriously, you need to show evidence for it.

As we've seen in this thread and others, you guys have done nothing but dodge and lie.
No sane, rational person would take your word for anything.

If you believe these statistics are wrong, show evidence and present your reasons for it.
But I think you won't do this.
I think the reason is that you have no evidence and reason. You just believe this because you read nonsense on the internet and never applied any critical thinking to it.

If this is the case, you will ignore my post and my questions.

pearcider

PintOfView wrote: »

Can you link to some of the numerous data that shows it's seasonal?

If it's seasonal why did the US have a peak in deaths in April, August, and December (their normal peak is December)?
https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_03172021/WeeklyExcessDeaths?:embed=y&:jsdebug=y&:toolbar=n&:tabs=n&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-01/uoic-gas012721.php

Top hit on google. And many more studies like it. Like I said it would be weird if it wasn’t seasonal.

pearcider

EyesClosed wrote: »

Also all this talk of seasonal or not is totally off point. Its a smoke screen to deflect away from the thread title... As nobody can point to one measure that will be permanent.

Many measures will be permanent. Work from home. Destruction of smaller businesses by government decree. Increased wealth disparity. Increased debt on our governments. Vaccine passports. Top 10 richest people have made 400 billion from this. I could go on all night.

EyesClosed

pearcider wrote: »

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-01/uoic-gas012721.php

Top hit on google. And many more studies like it. Like I said it would be weird if it wasn’t seasonal.

From Wikipedia..

"EurekAlert! has fallen under criticism for lack of press release standards and for generating churnalism."

King Mob

pearcider wrote: »

Many measures will be permanent. Work from home. Destruction of smaller businesses by government decree. Increased wealth disparity. Increased debt on our governments. Vaccine passports. Top 10 richest people have made 400 billion from this. I could go on all night.

You've flipped again. Previously you said that it was too early to tell what measures would be permanent. Now you're saying you can tell us everything.

That doesn't make sense.
Which is it? Why did you claim the opposite?

So now if you're claiming that working from home is part of their plan, please explain how it benefits them.
Why go to all of this trouble to trick people into working from home?

harrylittle

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. That's a string of random words.
If you have a point, you need to express it using full sentences.
And then for your point to be taken seriously, you need to show evidence for it.

As we've seen in this thread and others, you guys have done nothing but dodge and lie.
No sane, rational person would take your word for anything.

If you believe these statistics are wrong, show evidence and present your reasons for it.
But I think you won't do this.
I think the reason is that you have no evidence and reason. You just believe this because you read nonsense on the internet and never applied any critical thinking to it.

If this is the case, you will ignore my post and my questions.

A picture is worth a thousand words and clearly testify's all that we've being saying about the fake pcr tests ...

Timberrrrrrrr

pearcider wrote: »

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-01/uoic-gas012721.php

Top hit on google. And many more studies like it. Like I said it would be weird if it wasn’t seasonal.

https://www.healthnewsreview.org/2018/10/its-time-for-aaas-and-eurekalert-to-crack-down-on-misinformation-in-pr-news-releases/

It’s time for AAAS and EurekAlert! to crack down on misinformation in PR news releases

The messages put out by these organizations sometimes contain egregious levels of spin and exaggeration designed to attract the attention of journalists and the public. That spin and exaggeration can find its way into news stories or get picked up by aggregators and rebroadcast to the public verbatim. Here are a few choice recent examples:

Claims that extra virgin olive oil can prevent Alzheimer’s disease based on a study conducted in mice.

Claims that a magnetized wire could be used to detect cancer in people based on a study conducted in pigs.

Claims that text messages could help pregnant women stop smoking based on a study that found no difference in smoking rates between the treatment and control groups.

Claims that eating more fish could prevent Parkinson’s disease based on an in vitro lab study of fish proteins.

Pinch Flat

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"It was a test run"

A come on. At least use the correct tin foil hatter lingo.

"A false flag"

King Mob

harrylittle wrote: »

A picture is worth a thousand words and clearly testify's all that we've being saying about the fake pcr tests ...

Again, more random strings of words without a point or evidence.
And as I predicted, you dodged.

Thank you for admitting the true basis for your beliefs.
You just swallowed crap from the internet and never questioned it.

Dohnjoe

pearcider wrote: »

Many measures will be permanent. Work from home.

Enforced working from home to avoid spreading the virus in the workplace won't be permanent. Remote-working will just become more popular now as it's been widely implemented

Destruction of smaller businesses by government decree.

Businesses like hotels, restaurants, pubs, etc have been affected by the pandemic.

Increased debt on our governments.

We are borrowing money to account for the fact that we've had to close workplaces/universities/schools due to the pandemic (and put the economy on pause)

Vaccine passports.

A possibility until the virus abates

Top 10 richest people have made 400 billion from this.

Wealth for certain individuals increased indirectly, e.g. higher reliance on Amazon due to pandemic, wealth increases for Bezos. For people in the hotel/restaurant industry their wealth decreased.

I could go on all night.

Nope, each point you made is redundant.

Dohnjoe

New poster comes into the thread, makes a bunch of vague conspiracy claims, rehashes all the same Covid denial moot points, eventually disappears. Then it restarts all over again. Rinse, repeat.

pearcider

EyesClosed wrote: »

From Wikipedia..

"EurekAlert! has fallen under criticism for lack of press release standards and for generating churnalism."

Steady on there chief. They’re referencing a scientific study. Furthermore there are numerous studies indicating the same. Most importantly nearly all respiratory viruses follow seasonal patterns with high incidence during winter in temperate regions and during the rainy season in tropical regions...so if anybody has to prove anything here it’s really up to you to prove covid 19 is NOT seasonal.

Your pro lockdown position is simply untenable. That’s not to mention the other evidence such as the FACT that’s cases in Spain and Italy began to decline before they went into lockdown.

If you agree with lockdowns you’re nothing more than a globalist boot locker and a pawn of the billionaire elite who are laughing out loud at you.

King Mob

pearcider wrote: »

Steady on there chief. They’re referencing a scientific study.

Cool. Link to the study and where it says that covid is seasonal?

pearcider wrote: »

Furthermore there are numerous studies indicating the same.


the FACT that’s cases in Spain and Italy began to decline before they went into lockdown.

Cool. Link to these studies and all this evidence?
By claiming it and not providing it, it looks a bit like you're making that up.

And given how often you conspiracy theorists have lied and distorted on this thread...

pearcider wrote: »

If you agree with lockdowns you’re nothing more than a globalist boot locker and a pawn of the billionaire elite who are laughing out loud at you.

And yet, when people suggest that you share beliefs with anti-vaccinationists and other science deniers, you moan to no end...
Touch hypocritical there.

PintOfView

pearcider wrote: »

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-01/uoic-gas012721.php

Top hit on google. And many more studies like it. Like I said it would be weird if it wasn’t seasonal.

From that page ...
"University of Illinois researchers, including Gustavo Caetano-Anolles, say Covid-19 is likely to become seasonal after the initial pandemic is brought under control"

It doesn't say it's seasonal now, it says it is likely to become seasonal after the pandemic is brought under control!

It's not rocket science. Respiratory viruses will transmit more easily to other people when they are in unventilated rooms together, and that happens more in winter, and as Covid falls into the same category it's likely to be more of a threat in the winter.

However that didn't stop a peak happening in the US last August, right in the middle of their summer, or in Brazil today, at the end of their summer.
One reason is likely to be because relatively few in the population have had it, so there are plenty of people to pick it up.
We would need a degree of herd immunity, or to have a lot of the population vaccinated, in order for the virus to be starved out of new people to infect, so it would then rely on the winter to survive.

What do you think? Does that make sense?