terminator 2

gimli2112

i'm a very simple type of guy
I don't get really artsy movies that intelligent people love, like that swedish director with death and chess
bill and ted's adventure 2
but I have to say I love this, I think it's a classic and survives the test of time
Cameron's a genius

Sexual Chocolate

2 was the best of the lot of them I thought. Can't beat 90s action films.

Laszlo Cravensworth

T2 was and is an incredible movie. It must be up there with the best sequels ever made.

And the outro tune is glorious.

McDermotX

It's great, it was great and it'll always be great........BUT, its surprising to see how the first one has weathered the passing of time better IMO.

At least on the rewatches of 1, 2, and, yes, 3 (for that ending) in the last couple years.

Not sure its solely down to an overly simplistic explanation of the sequel's dalliance in early CGI either.
Its just f**king tight, and getting tighter over the years and carries its 80s halo as well as any of the greats.

weemcd

Best. Film. Ever.

blue note

Cameron did to himself what he had done to Ridley Scott when he made Aliens. The first in both cases was a film of suspense really. Really atmospheric, a feeling of inevitable doom. You couldn't take your eyes off those films.

Then the sequel. He made the lead woman an action hero. Ripley was tough in the first, but she wasn't an action hero. He threw in some cheesy lines. And they were still extremely suspenseful, but also it was one incredible action sequence after another.

All four are absolute classics. I can't pick which I prefer from them. There are absolute classic lines in the sequels in particular. "They mostly come at night... mostly." or "he'll live." But there's just so much to love about them all.

MfMan

T1 infinitely superior IMHO. A much better blend of sci-fi, plot, action, originality. T2 far too focused on CGI and mindless blowing up of things. In movies, CGI should always assist the narrative, not overwhelm it or become the dominant feature of the movie.

nix

MfMan wrote: »

T2 far too focused on CGI and mindless blowing up of things.

CatFromHue

Laszlo Cravensworth wrote: »

T2 was and is an incredible movie. It must be up there with the best sequels ever made.

And the outro tune is glorious.

The outro is excellent but the ending of T1 is also excellent. The kid taking Sarah's photo in the petrol station being the picture that Reese loses when the terminators attack the bunker in the future is just brilliant.

The scene in the car park where Reese explains to Sarah about the future and terminators is brilliant. Dark Fate ****s on this though!!!

MisterAnarchy

Its simply a briliant film .

What happened to Cameron after True Lies as a filmaker ?
He made Titanic which on a technical level is a well made film but it's not a good film.
Then he seemed to become obsessed with the technical side of filmaking and has made one film in 23 years, Avatar.
A terrible waste of talent.

stateofflux

Saw it in the Cinema a year ago and i was blown away by how well it holds up today despite being nearly 30 years old now. It is a classic imo.

I don't think its fair to compare it to the first one, which was a visionary game changer for the time, filmed on a a pretty low budget.

worded

stateofflux wrote: »

Saw it in the Cinema a year ago and i was blown away by how well it holds up today despite being nearly 30 years old now. It is a classic imo.

I don't think its fair to compare it to the first one, which was a visionary game changer for the time, filmed on a a pretty low budget.

It was released in 1991 - god god it was amazing for that time.

You have to admire the sheer persistence of that cop chasing.
He may have been the enemy but you have to admire the single mindedness.
They dont build terminators like that anymore, really gave it his all :-)

pixelburp

LOL. Was the OP drunk?

I guess the mention of Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey is a nod towards Death, who was modelled on Ingmar Bergman's film ("swedish director with death and chess"). Even knowing that I still read the OP as if they're saying "bill and ted's adventure 2" is an artsy film that "intelligent people love"

gimli2112

pixelburp wrote: »

LOL. Was the OP drunk?

I guess the mention of Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey is a nod towards Death, who was modelled on Ingmar Bergman's film ("swedish director with death and chess"). Even knowing that I still read the OP as if they're saying "bill and ted's adventure 2" is an artsy film that "intelligent people love"

as a matter of fact yes. What really annoys me is I got the name of the movie wrong. It's been driving me nuts for days.

Brian?

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

2 was the best of the lot of them I thought. Can't beat 90s action films.

T2 directors cut is the best sequel ever made IMO. It’s a shame they released the original version in the first place, even if it was very good.

I see every Terminator (from T3) film in its first week of release in the cinema, in the vain hope something like T2 will come again. It never has.

Before anyone says it, the Godfather 2 wasn’t a sequel it was part 2. Aliens is close though.

Dades

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

What happened to Cameron after True Lies as a filmaker ?
He made Titanic which on a technical level is a well made film but it's not a good film.
Then he seemed to become obsessed with the technical side of filmaking and has made one film in 23 years, Avatar.
A terrible waste of talent.

Yeah it's a real shame he more or less gave up directing for so many years. I happen to love Titanic and Avatar but it's a slim return for that time.

Gwynplaine

I watch this maybe 3 or 4 times a year. It's in my all time top 3 films ever.
Favourite scenes....
"Get down" and the bike chase.

blue note

Gwynplaine wrote: »

I watch this maybe 3 or 4 times a year. It's in my all time top 3 films ever.
Favourite scenes....
"Get down" and the bike chase.

It's the type of film you just can't turn off. Whatever scene you're on is brilliant and you have to watch it to the end. Then once that's over you know what's coming next so you have to watch that too. Then the end credits start.

Some of my favourite scenes
In the mall
The motor bike chase
Getting mom out of the institution
Blowing up skynet
The liquid nitrogen chase
The furnace at the end

And I'm pretty sure I love all the other bits too.

CastorTroy

I always find it funny how the T1000 was cutting edge effects then a couple years later we have similar effects in a kids tv series, The Secret World of Alex Mack.

But it is a great film. The first 2 are really memorable but I can barely remember any of the ones that came after. Only saw them once each. Best thing in the franchise after T2 was Sarah Connor Chronicles.

flasher0030

CastorTroy wrote: »

I always find it funny how the T1000 was cutting edge effects then a couple years later we have similar effects in a kids tv series, The Secret World of Alex Mack.

But it is a great film. The first 2 are really memorable but I can barely remember any of the ones that came after. Only saw them once each. Best thing in the franchise after T2 was Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Third one was the lady terminator. Decent enough if I remember correctly. Nive eye-candy anyway.
4th one was the one with Christian Bale. Rubbish
5th one had the Game of Thrones lady. Got way to deep into the software, Gensies, Skynet, time travel stuff. Wasn't much good. But I do like Emilia Clarke. So giving it a pass.
6th one is the one last year. Entertaining enough. But same old story. Going back in time to kill someone. Type of film you'd watch, but would just be an anti-climax cause nothing new.

ziedth

I don't think many action films are timeless but T2 is certainly one of them, Easily my favorite film growing up. I was probably 9 when I watched it so ratings aside I was probably the perfect age for it too and to this day is the only film I remember crying for...... I haven't watched it in years so I think that is the movie this weekend sorted

Laszlo Cravensworth

Robert Patrick was phenomenally cast as the T1000

He was almost as terrifying as Arnie was as the T800 in the original Terminator movie.

CastorTroy

flasher0030 wrote: »

Third one was the lady terminator. Decent enough if I remember correctly. Nive eye-candy anyway.
4th one was the one with Christian Bale. Rubbish
5th one had the Game of Thrones lady. Got way to deep into the software, Gensies, Skynet, time travel stuff. Wasn't much good. But I do like Emilia Clarke. So giving it a pass.
6th one is the one last year. Entertaining enough. But same old story. Going back in time to kill someone. Type of film you'd watch, but would just be an anti-climax cause nothing new.

Oh I remember them. Just not very memorable. Like if I saw an image or clip from the first 2, I'd likely be able to identify it. But with the others, I could probably watch them again and not have a clue what's going to happen.
Except for the Emilia Clarke one where they spoiled the big twist in the trailer.

MisterAnarchy

blue note wrote: »

It's the type of film you just can't turn off. Whatever scene you're on is brilliant and you have to watch it to the end. Then once that's over you know what's coming next so you have to watch that too. Then the end credits start.

Some of my favourite scenes
In the mall
The motor bike chase
Getting mom out of the institution
Blowing up skynet
The liquid nitrogen chase
The furnace at the end

And I'm pretty sure I love all the other bits too.

There is great suspense in all of those scenes .
The stakes are high, the tone is deadly serious and you are on the edge of your seat with tension.

You rarely get films like that anymore.

Lal19

Robert Patrick was just perfect for the role
Apparently he gave Cameron a certain look down the camera when he screen tested for the film and Cameron knew he found the right man to play the T-1000
During the bike scene he actually caught up with John Connor on the bike On several occasions and Cameron had to tell him to slow down! 😂
Patrick is absolutely brilliant in the role and I had nightmares during my childhood such was his performance.
It’s still stands the test of time and is simply up there with been one of my favourite films of all time.

Heres Johnny

Great film and the effects work better than the completely over the top cgi nonsense out today. Funny enough I watched original jurassic Park recently and it is visually better than the recent sequels. Lord of the rings trilogy was first time I noticed this. First film had actors in costumes and make up as orcs and guess what, they looked and moved properly like living things do. Later films had computer generated nonsense.
I feel T2 is like this too, even if T1000 does have special effects it's not over the top

Mr Crispy

CastorTroy wrote: »

Except for the Emilia Clarke one where they spoiled the big twist in the trailer.

An absolutely baffling decision, even for Hollywood!

gimli2112

Cameron sold 50% of the rights to Terminator to his wife for a dollar in 1984 before he directed the first one, they divorced in 89.
I imagine he thinks about that from time to time.

Sexual Chocolate

Laszlo Cravensworth wrote: »

Robert Patrick was phenomenally cast as the T1000

He was almost as terrifying as Arnie was as the T800 in the original Terminator movie.

I thought he was just as terrifying as Johnny Cash’s aul lad in Walk the Line.:eek:

S.M.B.

Hey, what's wrong with Wolfie? I can hear him barking.
Wolfie's fine, honey, Wolfie's just fine.
Your foster parents are dead.

Have not watched the entire movie in years, must pay it a revisit.

Psychiatric Patrick

gimli2112 wrote: »

i'm a very simple type of guy
I don't get really artsy movies that intelligent people love, like that swedish director with death and chess
bill and ted's adventure 2
but I have to say I love this, I think it's a classic and survives the test of time
Cameron's a genius

Such magnificent poetry

Psychiatric Patrick

CastorTroy wrote: »

Oh I remember them. Just not very memorable. Like if I saw an image or clip from the first 2, I'd likely be able to identify it. But with the others, I could probably watch them again and not have a clue what's going to happen.
Except for the Emilia Clarke one where they spoiled the big twist in the trailer.

I don't watch trailers. It got spoiled for me by the poster on my way in to watch Genisys.

Lal19

Funny enough it’s on ITV 4 right now

CastorTroy

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I don't watch trailers. It got spoiled for me by the poster on my way in to watch Genisys.

It's one of the reasons I don't watch trailers for things I plan to see, unless it's an adaptation of something I've read/played.
Forgot they had it on the poster as well.


T2 also led to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN_VgVEZD0k

El Gato De Negocios

An absolutely smashing, bombastic, rollercoaster of an action movie. Its utterly brilliant from start to finish. It also makes great meme opportunities.

El Gato De Negocios

Also, the foster mother above also played the badass and beautiful Private Vasquez in Aliens.

mr_edge_to_you

Laszlo Cravensworth wrote: »

T2 was and is an incredible movie. It must be up there with the best sequels ever made.

And the outro tune is glorious.

Wayne's World 2 was another great sequel.

Absoluvely

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Also, the foster mother above also played the badass and beautiful Private Vasquez in Aliens.

Wow, I never knew Robert Patrick was so versatile :pac:

Mad_maxx

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Also, the foster mother above also played the badass and beautiful Private Vasquez in Aliens.

looks nothing like her ?

Mad_maxx

anyone ever notice how john connor sounds near identical to Bart Simpson ?

Sexual Chocolate

Mad_maxx wrote: »

anyone ever notice how john connor sounds near identical to Bart Simpson ?

Sad that he pissed his career down the drain after American History X and also end up becoming a modern day Ike Turner with women.

I remember reading a while back that when T2 was being made or a little after he was was banging one of the crew or make up artist. He was 15 she was 28.

unhappys10

Probably my favourite film ever and without a doubt the best sequel.

OU812

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

An absolutely smashing, bombastic, rollercoaster of an action movie. Its utterly brilliant from start to finish. It also makes great meme opportunities.

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Also, the foster mother above also played the badass and beautiful Private Vasquez in Aliens.

Also played the Irish mother in Titanic

https://jamescameronstitanic.fandom.com/wiki/Irish_Mother

pah

OU812 wrote: »

Also played the Irish mother in Titanic

https://jamescameronstitanic.fandom.com/wiki/Irish_Mother

She was fantastic in aliens. Wonder why she didn't get more roles?

Full_Circle_81

pah wrote: »

She was fantastic in aliens. Wonder why she didn't get more roles?

Cameran stuck her in a few roles and she was also in the vampire flick Near Dark with two of the other Aliens cast members.

El Gato De Negocios

Full_Circle_81 wrote: »

Cameran stuck her in a few roles and she was also in the vampire flick Near Dark with two of the other Aliens cast members.

I knew Paxton and Henrikson were in Near Dark, never her though. Its been years since i watched, must give it a spin some evening, great little take on vampires.

gimli2112

Lance Henricksen was first choice for the Terminator in 1984 but Cameron pushed for Arnie. How different all our lives could have been.

Laszlo Cravensworth

gimli2112 wrote: »

Lance Henricksen was first choice for the Terminator in 1984 but Cameron pushed for Arnie. How different all our lives could have been.

Lance Henriksen wouldn't have been a bad choice at all, but it's hard to imagine anyone outdoing Arnie.

Henriksen was excellent as Bishop from the aliens series.

S.M.B.

gimli2112 wrote: »

Lance Henricksen was first choice for the Terminator in 1984 but Cameron pushed for Arnie. How different all our lives could have been.

I believe Henricksen was Cameron's initial idea and he actually helped greenlight the movie by attending the pitch as The Terminator.

The studio then wanted Schwarzenegger to play Kyle Reese and someone like OJ Simpson or Mel Gibson to play the Terminator. Cameron hated the idea of Arnie playing Kyle Reese so went to the meeting with the sole intention of picking a fight with him so he wouldn't want the role. Cameron ended up really liking Arnie, thought he'd be perfect for the T-1000 and then had to convince him to play a bad guy with only a few lines.

Good oral history of it here.

Psychiatric Patrick

gimli2112 wrote: »

Lance Henricksen was first choice for the Terminator in 1984 but Cameron pushed for Arnie. How different all our lives could have been.

I didn't know that about Henrickson.

He would have terrific.

I can see it being pretty much the same movie but I wonder thought what would have been the effect on the popularity of the movie and on there being a sequel

o1s1n

Henrickson would have also made a great T-1000. Robert Patrick was perfect, but there's something about Henrickson that I think would really suit that role too.