Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118006473#Comment_118006473

Wonder woman obviously. Don't think there'll be as many complaints though for some reason...

Cordell

The thing is, when you do stuff that pleases your audience it's all good no one complains. But when you do stuff just to appease the woke mob and you disregard your audience, only then you are a real prick.

Sonics2k

It's Jon Kent, not Clark. Lois is going nowhere. Chill out.

Cordell

Ok then, I don't really care one way or the other about Superman or his spawn.

But I cared about Star Trek and I hate the pricks that destroyed it just to make it woke-friendly. It used to be about a bright future with a (diverse even) alliance of humanoids that fixed all their problems and they were exploring space for the sake of knowledge. The wokes don't like that, optimism is bad, strong characters are bad, strong males are evil (shame on you Patrick Stewart for going with it). They turned it into a woke fest of strong emotions, struggle for survival and no masculinity to be seen. Or maybe that was the idea, with no strong straight white males all goes to sh1t? Who knows.

Rant over.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118007969#Comment_118007969

It always had a woke-friendly ring about it - even before "woke" entered the vernacular.

Cordell

No, it was progressive and diverse before these were dirty words. It was never woke.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008044#Comment_118008044

To be fair, I never actually said it was!

I'd say there was a bit of an overlap there (the ideals of woke, certainly not 95% of the practice) but I've never seen anything "woke" on Star Trek. To be fair, though, I haven't seen everything.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118003214#Comment_118003214

Go easy there now folks! She is single with no children and likes prosecco and yoga - burn the witch.

Seriously, I agree she's an absolute melt but me and my friends like those things too - and love a spa day and candles! - we are nothing like her in our political views.

Cordell

Star Trek Discovery - future is fked, oil dilitium is gone, it all exploded because some kid had a burst of emotions that caused all dilitium to blow up. On board decisions are made based on emotions. Everyone is crying.

Star Trek Picard - future is fked, and on the way of being fked even more, Jean Luc is just a shadow of former self, disgraced by some woman admiral that put him in his place. Seven of Nine is gay. Everyone is crying, including androids.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008079#Comment_118008079

Yeah new Trek is absolutely awful virtue signalling woke nonsense. Star Trek was always progressive and hopeful about the future of humanity. There were diverse characters but it was never shoved down your throat like it is now. Janeway was captain of Voyager but always stood on her own two feet and didn't need to make the men out to be idiots to show how great she was. Sisko was a black captain but it was never shoved down your throat. TNG crew were all competent and good at their jobs with respect for superiors.

Burnham on Discovery on the other hand is an absolute joke of a character. Either crying or aggressively angry and over emotional all the time - continuously disobeying orders and disrespecting other crew members. The men around her are complete buffoons just to reinforce what a strong woman she is. The crew are incompetent and rarely make decisions based on logic but mostly on how emotional they are. They are not at all believable as the crew of a ship.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008079#Comment_118008079

Well, it's been a while since I've seen either, but I remember Klingons being emotional (who knew?!) and very little crying in Discovery (maybe a little pro animal-welfare or anti dominant evil-women from alternate universes) and Seven of Nine being gay leads more towards 'progression' than woke.

Thinking is you wanting it to be woke so you can have a whinge about woke, tbh, but I'm not a trekkie so haven't seen any real diversion over the spin offs.

Cordell

https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/latest-demi-lovato-wants-people-to-stop-calling-extra-terrestrials-aliens-20211012?source=lboz&fbclid=IwAR0hF87I2rUGHnCSPHfcPCS5iIRE3BGSMr7DoS64KtJrv_QrR_7z3706f4o

a_squirrelman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008186#Comment_118008186

Ah now, Discovery is a total cry-fest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtA1B3BFQ18&ab_channel=MajorGrin

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008186#Comment_118008186

I think you should beam yourself over to the star trek discovery thread. Even those that defended it at the beginning who said it was always Woke have given up and ditched it. For example: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117998437#Comment_117998437

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008079#Comment_118008079

I gave up on Picard after 5 episodes, I couldnt take anymore, it was appallingly bad.

Picard was not the Picard we once knew. In his place was a weak old dithering man.

The new characters were all terrible, the plot was full of holes, the acting was poor, the writing poor and the directing poor.

It was like a parody in places.

Dr. Bre

Netflix has gone full woke these days

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118006445#Comment_118006445

Explaining the death of American comics..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOSUUkQlJ4

The audience for all the woke nonsense is smaller than execs would think from online buzz and impressions. It's also a fad. But the companies have allowed it to take hold and when the fad is over it'll take a while for people who know what they're doing to fix things again.

It reminds me of lots of different sports. Oh, popularity is waning? Let's change things! Sometimes things get more and less popular, it's natural, but the reaction to any decline can have a long impact on things.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008668#Comment_118008668

Oh dear lord no. Already said im not involved enough to notice any emotional switch, but do not remember crying. Maybe the boredom of some of the second series!

But even if so, woke is more about forced diversity rather than an abundance of crying.

Cordell

No, woke also includes this ridiculous abundance of feelings and emotions, elevated above objective facts. You promote to captain the ensign over a senior officer because you trust her to have her heart in the right place would be a good example of extreme wokeness that doesn't involve diversity.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118009655#Comment_118009655

No, that;s Republicanism in the US. Pretty much the opposite of woke.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008284#Comment_118008284

Why exactly ? I can understand wanting to change the term as it relates to immigrants to the US, but the two films called alien and aliens won’t be as catch-up if they are renamed to some other thing.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118007969#Comment_118007969

I think you're confusing very bad writing in Discovery with how they're stuffing it with lots of very trivial and dull subplots. As has been observed about it they had a golden opportunity to create and explore an uncharted Star Trek future and it's a pretty rubbish attempt.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118007969#Comment_118007969

Star Trek was always woke.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010062#Comment_118010062

Could you manage being an actual alien anthropologist or linguist studying us. You think you have mastered the local lingo, then boom, for no logical reason the meanings change entirely.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012314#Comment_118012314

No, it wasn't. It was progressive but sane, i.e. there was a black blind chief engineer but he had prosthetic vision better than the natural one. Whereas in these new series a black transgender blind chief engineer will not have any prosthetic vision because they will be blind and proud.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012314#Comment_118012314

Pretty much, or at least it was always very "liberal/progressive" in the American sense. In the 60's incarnation having a African American senior officer was radical stuff, never mind having a Russian one. We kinda forget the Russian bit today, but consider the 60's series wasn't long after McCarthyism looking for commies had been a thing in the US and the cold war was still pretty hot. It had the first interracial kiss on US TV and that episode was banned in the southern states. It was also quietly non religious, unlike other American culture media Gaaaawd was almost never in the mix and when it was they usually exposed it as a fraud and/or blasted it with phasers. It was also a strange mix of stand on your own feet Americanism with an image of a money free socialist future. It was pretty subtle about all that stuff though and rarely preachy. The 80's series was "liberal" Californians in space. The latest stuff like Discovery continues the trend. However it became far more obvious and preachy. It's about as subtle as a housebrick in the face. That's the problem with much of the "woke" media stuff, it's not the subtle undercurrent to the story, it is the story. Dr Who went a similar way. The 70's run had very right on elements and explored totatlitarian states, indigenous rights, the growing environmental movement and so on, but again the story was front and centre. The 00's reboot was similar for the most part, but became increasingly more obvious and then went full on "woke" with the latest incarnation.

Art is often political in some way, whether as a celebration of the status quo or something more radical, sometimes both. Good art keeps the craft and story to the fore, bad art doesn't.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012454#Comment_118012454

You are looking at it through a modern lens. As Wibbs as outlined, imagine being an average 1960s adult and seeing the original trek

The old wolk followed the Martin Luther King equality.. judgement on character etc. So you have the multicultural crew working together as equals and excelling.

The modern woke is all about being a victim and tearing down those who achieve higher than you despite their being no systemic ism of any kind