Dundrum Main St one way

punisher5112

GT89 wrote: »

Probably because there's houses on the main street. Also entrances to carparks attached to the old shopping centre, the etb and Permanent TSB.

No I know but what's done is much worse, traffic is nuts, bus takes longer, emergency services then hav further to go and I've seen a good few just go wrong way anyway.


Wait till life is back and Dublin and many other places grind to a halt

Thelonious Monk

People get around by bike in cities I've been to like Seville and Valencia. The bike lane networks they have in those cities are amazing, especially Seville.

In just five years, Seville's cycling infrastructure expanded from 12 km of unconnected cycle paths in 2005 to 120 km of bike lanes, separated from traffic, in 2010. Most of these lanes are bidirectional, and built on former parking lanes but raised at the level of the sidewalk

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jan/28/seville-cycling-capital-southern-europe-bike-lanes

I'd love to see this kind of thing happen in Dublin, we're a long way off though.

LXFlyer

Tabnabs wrote: »

Incorrect, the station is, literally, at the beginning of Main Street, Dundrum. The train station predates bicycle use in Dundrum.

Main street has always been an important bus route with the stops on main street crucial for workers, locals, school children etc. for 50+ years.

Public transport for the masses has been a crucial lifeblood for Dundrum for the last 160 years.

You can try to shift the goalposts by focusing on cars, but buses and taxis are valid public transport options and should not suffer or be inconvenienced by road closures.

Well said. The bus service is there to serve the community and having all the routes to Ballinteer operating along the Main Street meant choice in that people going to Ballinteer could use any of the 14, 75 or 175 from the same stop, and provided connectivity at Dundrum LUAS stop. That’s now lost.

As I posted above some route 14 buses have taken almost 25 minutes to get to Ballinteer from Dundrum, a journey that would normally be 6-8 minutes.

This means headways all along a busy cross-city route are being skewed and people in totally different parts of the city are being affected.

The negative impact on public transport is disgraceful.

punisher5112

LXFlyer wrote: »

Well said. The bus service is there to serve the community and having all the routes to Ballinteer operating along the Main Street meant choice in that people going to Ballinteer could use any of the 14, 75 or 175 from the same stop, and provided connectivity at Dundrum LUAS stop. That’s now lost.

As I posted above some route 14 buses have taken almost 25 minutes to get to Ballinteer from Dundrum, a journey that would normally be 6-8 minutes.

This means headways all along a busy cross-city route are being skewed and people in totally different parts of the city are being affected.

The negative impact on public transport is disgraceful.

Exactly this and the thinking behind everyone should cycle or walk just doesn't fly.....

Tea drinker

ted1 wrote: »

No, its actually better. cars can pass on the Vico road now. It was never wide enough to have cars parking there. It's now much safer to walk and cycle there.

So they made it better.

Yet cars parked and passed on it for years, and a lot could have been done to improve that instead of "taking the ball and going home" in terms of parking at that one stretch on the hill. This has disenfranchised people from making use of the beach or that route up the hill absent a few. So on balance it's a loss and not improved the situation.

bb1234567

You'll need to back up your statements like that with actual information, if it has in fact discouraged people from using the beach

Tea drinker

bb1234567 wrote: »

You'll need to back up your statements like that with actual information, if it has in fact discouraged people from using the beach

Well I don't use it anymore, no longer practical, and any time I drive by I don't see many people neither walking down nor walking up the hill to the right.
It seems comparatively deserted.

AndrewJRenko

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've seen a good few just go wrong way anyway.

Can you clarify this please? You're saying that you've seem multiple emergency vehicles ignoring the multiple warning signs and going the wrong way through the village? Which services are we talking about here? Presumably not the Gardai, as the changes are happening outside their front door.

LXFlyer wrote: »

Well said. The bus service is there to serve the community and having all the routes to Ballinteer operating along the Main Street meant choice in that people going to Ballinteer could use any of the 14, 75 or 175 from the same stop, and provided connectivity at Dundrum LUAS stop. That’s now lost.

As I posted above some route 14 buses have taken almost 25 minutes to get to Ballinteer from Dundrum, a journey that would normally be 6-8 minutes.

This means headways all along a busy cross-city route are being skewed and people in totally different parts of the city are being affected.

If you're getting on the 14 in Rathmines or Rathgar, what difference does it make how long the first leg of the journey takes? You're going to be watching the RTI to decide how/when to get to your stop, so it really doesn't make any difference how long the first leg takes.

Drifter50 wrote: »

What planet are you on. Its the most ridiculous unnecessary works that I`ve seen in a long time. There was no issue with Dundrum Main Street, people could get around, no major traffic issues, all was good. You want "local people to sit and wander and enjoy urban spaces on their doorstepn rather than having to travel into the city to find any place to socialise and enjoy spending time in" What do you do for a living ?????
A large number of people live and work in Dundrum and need to move around to carry out their day to day business and yes meet their customers, suppliers work colleagues, friends, get lunch dinner do their shopping etc etc
The restrictions currently being implemented make live harder for most local traders and residents already under pressure with the Covid 19 stuff. These plans were clearly constructed by a group of faceless, unelected bureaucrats who are pursuing their own agenda.

No-one is stopped from doing all their business in Dundrum - same access, same number of parking bays as before. For some people coming from some directions, the worst case is that they might have a slight detour.

punisher5112 wrote: »

For a council that has come out to say they are struggling and they must charge the full property tax o find that laughable in itself but hell the mad man in power has hot his way....
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It's women in power in DLR - both the Cathaoirleach and Chief Executive are female.

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Yeah, the traffic light sequences are changed across the city. Some lights only allow 2 or 3 cars through.

As to the last comment... Cars are needed to get around , in absence of proper integrated public transport.

Cars are the biggest barrier to public transport, blocking bus journeys all day every day.

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

And to correct above posters - the one way system in dundrum was pushed through against wishes of residents and businesses in dundrum. The pressure group called imagine dundrum were at forefront of this. Anne Colgan already canvassed all the councillors to vote it through. This stinks of corruption.

Good to know. I wouldn't have voted for her before, but I'll definitely give her something next time round.

Tea drinker wrote: »

Not everyone can cycle there are many older folk perfectly capable of driving but would have balance issues on a bike.

You don't stop cycling because you get old. You get old because you stop cycling.
https://twitter.com/SilkeRichard/status/1271844709519024128

TexasTornado wrote: »

I don't get why this has been done. The village worked perfectly well as a functional economy and transport route. Is it just the council trying to spend money they really should be spending fixing road surfaces?

How frequently did you cycle through Dundrum to come to your conclusion that it worked perfectly well? How frequently did you try to cross the road on foot at the Church or at BOI?

BTW, the Council will be spending €30m on fixing road surfaces, separate to all this. Maybe motorists should start paying by weight so they're actually covering the damage they cause to the road surface?

Tea drinker wrote: »

Well my opinion is we are causing traffic disruption now because of too much space too cyclists., in some areas.

https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1127982576738676739

GT89 wrote: »

Probably because there's houses on the main street. Also entrances to carparks attached to the old shopping centre, the etb and Permanent TSB.

They really need to close that entrance to the Village Centre (the old shopping centre) and let all vehicular traffic enter and exit on the bypass.

ted1

Tabnabs wrote: »

Incorrect, the station is, literally, at the beginning of Main Street, Dundrum. The train station predates bicycle use in Dundrum.

Pretty sure they had bikes in Dundrum in 1958.

https://www.history.com/news/pedal-your-way-through-the-bicycles-bumpy-history

It certainly wasn’t congested with cars

ted1

Tea drinker wrote: »

Yet cars parked and passed on it for years, and a lot could have been done to improve that instead of "taking the ball and going home" in terms of parking at that one stretch on the hill. This has disenfranchised people from making use of the beach or that route up the hill absent a few. So on balance it's a loss and not improved the situation.

White Rock and the ramps are busy. Lots of people using the benches. I ran past there at lunch time abs it had a good crowd also cycled past there in the evening and it had a good crowd.
While you may feel disenfranchised, many others don’t and many more people have discovered it.

ted1

Tea drinker wrote: »

Well I don't use it anymore, no longer practical, and any time I drive by I don't see many people neither walking down nor walking up the hill to the right.
It seems comparatively deserted.

Look closer. There’s lots there. Can you not walk there ?

LXFlyer

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you're getting on the 14 in Rathmines or Rathgar, what difference does it make how long the first leg of the journey takes? You're going to be watching the RTI to decide how/when to get to your stop, so it really doesn't make any difference how long the first leg takes.

Of course it makes a difference.

It means an uneven level of service along the route - which means that people are waiting longer, and that there is an increased risk of bunching, and one bus being full and another half empty.

The 14 is a major cross-city route, and people in the city centre for example aren't necessarily going to looking at RTPI before heading to their stop. They do expect the service to be reasonably consistent.

For all my time living in Ballinteer the 14 has been reliable and predictable going towards the city. I could set my watch by it in Ballinteer, and I never needed to use RTPI, but rather could use the timetable, knowing that the bus would take 6-8 minutes to get to my stop.

Since these measures have been introduced, and a magical mystery tour involving five right turns, multiple traffic lights, and passing a school imposed on all 14s departing Dundrum to get to Ballinteer Road, it has become utterly unpredictable, and much less reliable.

No matter you try and dress this up, having buses that can now take up to 25 minutes to get from Dundrum to Ballinteer, a trip that was always 6-8 minutes previously is woeful.

A diversion like that at the very start of the route is madness.

It also reduces the attractiveness of using LUAS and bus to get home due to the unpredictable journey times from Dundrum.

Tarabuses

I do not understand the purpose of the cycle lane installed on the Upper Kilmacud Road and now preventing access to that road from Main Street, Ballinteer Road and Sandyford Road. It is only 15 meters long and then just ends. The road then becomes two way from that point.

It seems as if the cycle lane was an excuse to limit access to the Upper Kimacud Road rather than providing a benefit to anyone.

LXFlyer

Tarabuses wrote: »

I do not understand the purpose of the cycle lane installed on the Upper Kilmacud Road and now preventing access to that road from Main Street, Ballinteer Road and Sandyford Road. It is only 15 meters long and then just ends. The road then becomes two way from that point.

It seems as if the cycle lane was an excuse to limit access to the Upper Kimacud Road rather than providing a benefit to anyone.

My understanding is that it's an attempt to reduce through traffic through Dundrum and force it to use the alternative routes via Taney Road and Overend Way.

ted1

LXFlyer wrote: »

My understanding is that it's an attempt to reduce through traffic through Dundrum and force it to use the alternative routes via Taney Road and Overend Way.

Is that the purpose of the bypass ?

Tea drinker

ted1 wrote: »

White Rock and the ramps are busy. Lots of people using the benches. I ran past there at lunch time abs it had a good crowd also cycled past there in the evening and it had a good crowd.
While you may feel disenfranchised, many others don’t and many more people have discovered it.

I feel disenfranchised because I am! I have no practical means of availing of this without a car. It's almost an hour walk from my house, then another hour home. And no, I don't cycle around Dublin.

ted1

Tea drinker wrote: »

I feel disenfranchised because I am! I have no practical means of availing of this without a car. It's almost an hour walk from my house, then another hour home. And no, I don't cycle around Dublin.

Why not park on Sorento road or terrace and walk up?
Why not park in killiney beach car park and walk over ?
Why not park on killiney hill car park and walk over ?
There you go 3 places within a 10 minute walk. To the vico and white rock.

Do you need someone to hold your hand?

Tea drinker

ted1 wrote: »

Why not park on Sorento road or terrace and walk up?
Why not park in killiney beach car park and walk over ?
Why not park on killiney hill car park and walk over ?
There you go 3 places within a 10 minute walk. To the vico and white rock.

Do you need someone to hold your hand?

We already established Killiney hill car park is thronged at the weekends, as I already said down to the main street. And how losing the parking spaces at the east side was a bad idea. We're going around in circles.
Ignorant attitude typical here

ted1

Tea drinker wrote: »

We already established Killiney hill car park is thronged at the weekends, as I already said down to the main street. And how losing the parking spaces at the east side was a bad idea. We're going around in circles.
Ignorant attitude typical here

The weekend is 2 days long. There’s 5 other days in the week where it’s not full. You are ignorant one

Expecting a private parking spot at a weekend and then resorting to name calling when provided with 3 solutions.

punisher5112

The Dundrum town centre should never have been allowed and the roads ever upgraded.... The bypass cost the tax payer and the shopping centre put nothing towards it and got an entrance and exit etc.....

Seriously this country

ted1

punisher5112 wrote: »

The Dundrum town centre should never have been allowed and the roads ever upgraded.... The bypass cost the tax payer and the shopping centre put nothing towards it and got an entrance and exit etc.....

Seriously this country

Are the shops and centre not paying commercial rates. Was there not development levies paid to the council ?

Seems the bypass was already going ahead.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/190-million-town-centre-planned-for-dundrum-1.159573%3fmode=amp

punisher5112

ted1 wrote: »

Are the shops and centre not paying commercial rates. Was there not development levies paid to the council ?

Seems the bypass was already going ahead.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/190-million-town-centre-planned-for-dundrum-1.159573%3fmode=amp

Its crazy it was allowed with no upgrade in infrastructure.

LXFlyer

ted1 wrote: »

Is that the purpose of the bypass ?

Not for west/east traffic.

Traffic isn’t only going north/south.

punisher5112

I see they've spent a fortune on wood benches, table and single chairs which are tacked to the new surface at the bus terminus, but more outside the Ulster Bank.....


God help us all after this pandemic and people go back to work properly....

What I would like to see is more mopeds, motorcycle use and this would help congestion and the environment big time....

AndrewJRenko

Tarabuses wrote: »

I do not understand the purpose of the cycle lane installed on the Upper Kilmacud Road and now preventing access to that road from Main Street, Ballinteer Road and Sandyford Road. It is only 15 meters long and then just ends. The road then becomes two way from that point.

It seems as if the cycle lane was an excuse to limit access to the Upper Kimacud Road rather than providing a benefit to anyone.

Think that last bit through again and see what you can come up with.

LXFlyer wrote: »

Of course it makes a difference.

It means an uneven level of service along the route - which means that people are waiting longer, and that there is an increased risk of bunching, and one bus being full and another half empty.

The 14 is a major cross-city route, and people in the city centre for example aren't necessarily going to looking at RTPI before heading to their stop. They do expect the service to be reasonably consistent.

For all my time living in Ballinteer the 14 has been reliable and predictable going towards the city. I could set my watch by it in Ballinteer, and I never needed to use RTPI, but rather could use the timetable, knowing that the bus would take 6-8 minutes to get to my stop.

Since these measures have been introduced, and a magical mystery tour involving five right turns, multiple traffic lights, and passing a school imposed on all 14s departing Dundrum to get to Ballinteer Road, it has become utterly unpredictable, and much less reliable.

No matter you try and dress this up, having buses that can now take up to 25 minutes to get from Dundrum to Ballinteer, a trip that was always 6-8 minutes previously is woeful.

A diversion like that at the very start of the route is madness.

It also reduces the attractiveness of using LUAS and bus to get home due to the unpredictable journey times from Dundrum.

So to sumarise, you don't want to use RTPI.

It really doesn't matter a toss to the passenger in Rathmines that the 14 has done "a magical mystery tour involving five right turns, multiple traffic lights, and passing a school imposed". The passenger in Rathmines doesn't care where the 14 has been. The passenger in Rathmines cares about what time the bus is going to arrive, and can get that information from RTPI.

Tea drinker wrote: »

I feel disenfranchised because I am! I have no practical means of availing of this without a car. It's almost an hour walk from my house, then another hour home. And no, I don't cycle around Dublin.

Why? Because it's too dangerous with all the car traffic around. Think that one through and see what you can get.

punisher5112 wrote: »

I see they've spent a fortune on wood benches, table and single chairs which are tacked to the new surface at the bus terminus, but more outside the Ulster Bank.....


God help us all after this pandemic and people go back to work properly....

What I would like to see is more mopeds, motorcycle use and this would help congestion and the environment big time....

A fortune? Would you like to compare the cost of tables and chairs with the cost of the average road repair because most families in Dundrum choose vehicles that are twice the weight of the ones their parents chose?

Lads, you're clutching at straws here.

bb1234567

punisher5112 wrote: »

I see they've spent a fortune on wood benches, table and single chairs which are tacked to the new surface at the bus terminus, but more outside the Ulster Bank.....


God help us all after this pandemic and people go back to work properly....

What I would like to see is more mopeds, motorcycle use and this would help congestion and the environment big time....

Struggling to see the link between these two points..
Does the existence of the allegedly crazy prices dundrum furniture somehow discourage the usage of mopeds or motorcycles

How much is this fortune out of interest?

GT89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So to sumarise, you don't want to use RTPI.

It really doesn't matter a toss to the passenger in Rathmines that the 14 has done "a magical mystery tour involving five right turns, multiple traffic lights, and passing a school imposed". The passenger in Rathmines doesn't care where the 14 has been. The passenger in Rathmines cares about what time the bus is going to arrive, and can get that information from RTPI.

So if the passenger looks at RTPI in Rathmines and sees 45 mins until the next 14 becuase the last 14 had to drop a lap because of traffic congestion do you think that passenger/s is/are going to be happy? It all has a knock on effect on the efficient operation of a bus route. You clearly have zero knowledge of how buses operate.

Look at the 145 and 155 as an example. Regularly gets held up in Bray causing long delays in areas like Shankill, Loughlinstown and Cabinteely. By your logic the traffic situation in Bray has nothing to do with delays in Shankill, Louglinstown or Cabinteely.

ted1

punisher5112 wrote: »

Its crazy it was allowed with no upgrade in infrastructure.

M50
Bypass
LUAS.
Link road between m50 passed Wesley.
Upgraded bridge at Barton Road end

Are upgrades I can think off. Without putting to much thought into it

ted1

LXFlyer wrote: »

Not for west/east traffic.

Traffic isn’t only going north/south.

Where do you want to go from and go to ?

LXFlyer

ted1 wrote: »

Where do you want to go from and go to ?

I’m not going anywhere, per se as I don't drive.

The other poster was asking for the rationale for the short eastbound cycle lane on Kilmacud Road Upper at the junction with Sandyford Road/Dundrum Main St. that prevents cars from driving onto Kilmacud Road Upper.

My understanding of the rationale for it is to further reduce through traffic levels across the village by forcing traffic that would previously have come along Barton Road West, down along Ballinteer Road and up Kilmacud Road Upper to use alternative routes via the Wyckham Bypass/Overend Way or via Churchtown Road and Taney Road.