How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Question for parents of 4th, 5th and 6th class children.

Would you be happy for your child to wear a visor in the classroom?

Just heard this was discussed at a meeting of the education stakeholders (hate that term) today.

As a parent with children in two of those yup absolutely!!!!

WAW

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Question for parents of 4th, 5th and 6th class children.

Would you be happy for your child to wear a visor in the classroom?

Just heard this was discussed at a meeting of the education stakeholders (hate that term) today.

If it part of a fancy dress prop,yeah sure. Otherwise no.

Vince135792003

Under the new lockdown restrictions, there is a limit of 6 people meeting indoors ( with a maximum of 3 different households) and 15 meeting outdoors in Kildare.

In 3 weeks time, I will be teaching 29 eleven/twelve year old children from 29 different households in a room just not designed for the level of social distancing required, each day, in Kildare, with no PPE to be worn by children as of today.

To me, it's equally illogical and worrying.

average_runner

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Under the new lockdown restrictions, there is a limit of 6 people meeting indoors ( with a maximum of 3 different households) and 15 meeting outdoors in Kildare.

In 3 weeks time, I will be teaching 29 eleven/twelve year old children from 29 different households in a room just not designed for the level of social distancing required, each day, in Kildare, with no PPE to be worn by children as of today.

To me, it's equally illogical and worrying.

Sounds frightening, but kids aren't spreading thr virus , the bigger risks will be teachers spreading to other teachers, like Germany

alroley

average_runner wrote: »

Sounds frightening, but kids aren't spreading thr virus , the bigger risks will be teachers spreading to other teachers, like Germany

There is very mixed info about this.

average_runner

alroley wrote: »

There is very mixed info about this.

Right now look at the facts.
Kids are out playing, kids are playing sports where physical contact and then the messing they do.

Still no spike from it.

khalessi

average_runner wrote: »

Sounds frightening, but kids aren't spreading thr virus , the bigger risks will be teachers spreading to other teachers, like Germany

Actually teachers were already socially distancing before we closed in my school so I presume that will continue. More studies showing children spread as easily as adults but dont get as ill

deckie66

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Under the new lockdown restrictions, there is a limit of 6 people meeting indoors ( with a maximum of 3 different households) and 15 meeting outdoors in Kildare.

In 3 weeks time, I will be teaching 29 eleven/twelve year old children from 29 different households in a room just not designed for the level of social distancing required, each day, in Kildare, with no PPE to be worn by children as of today.

To me, it's equally illogical and worrying.

but the kids wont be arriving in to you having worked 8 and 10 hour shifts together everyday while living 10 or 12 to a house

Loafing Oaf

average_runner wrote: »

Right now look at the facts.
Kids are out playing, kids are playing sports where physical contact and then the messing they do.

Still no spike from it.

I'm guessing most current interaction between children from different families is happening outdoors or in spacious venues like shopping centres. Tightly packed classrooms for 30+ hours a week a whole different scenario...

jimmytwotimes 2013

Finally, common sense prevails on masks.

khalessi

average_runner wrote: »

Right now look at the facts.
Kids are out playing, kids are playing sports where physical contact and then the messing they do.

Still no spike from it.

GAA cancelled in the three counties and awaiting word on the cul camps

Boggles

average_runner wrote: »

Right now look at the facts.
Kids are out playing, kids are playing sports where physical contact and then the messing they do.

Still no spike from it.

With feck all instances of the virus in the community.

A lot of people can't seem to process that fact. The reality is people were only marginally more likely to catch covid this summer than they were last summer when the thing didn't exist.

It's about keeping schools open when the instances of the virus in the community increase.

wirelessdude01

khalessi wrote: »

GAA cancelled in the three counties and awaiting word on the cul camps

They have to be pulled as well.

Murple

average_runner wrote: »

Sounds frightening, but kids aren't spreading thr virus , the bigger risks will be teachers spreading to other teachers, like Germany

So how do you explain what happened in the camp in Georgia. 51% of the 6-10 year olds tested positive, 44% of the 11-17s tested positive and 33% of the 18-21 year olds tested positive. There were 7 over 22 years and 2 of them tested positive.
Are you saying that all infections were an adult to adult and adult to child but no child to adult or child to child?

iamwhoiam

While I agree that masks need to be worn am I right in thinking that visors for teachers of Junior and Senior infants would be more appropriate ? Very young children rely on facial expressions .

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

They have to be pulled as well.

Looks like it. County board discussing it tonight but I dont see it going ahead.

Blondini

downthemiddle wrote: »

Circular 49/2020 just published
https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0049_2020.pdf

Very high risk/cocooning staff catered for but just 'high risk' staff have no special provision effectively.

Harsh enough.

wirelessdude01

khalessi wrote: »

Looks like it. County board discussing it tonight but I dont see it going ahead.

Only groups of 15 allowed for training so that will be it pulled.

freak scence

average_runner wrote: »

Sounds frightening, but kids aren't spreading thr virus , the bigger risks will be teachers spreading to other teachers, like Germany

bull****

Murple

average_runner wrote: »

Right now look at the facts.
Kids are out playing, kids are playing sports where physical contact and then the messing they do.

Still no spike from it.

But have any of those children been diagnosed with Covid?
Think of headlice . You could have 20 children happily playing, heads together all summer and not have a single case of head lice. One child goes off to stay with friends and gets headlice but doesn’t realise. Arrives back to play with the other 19 again and all of a sudden, headlice spreads through them all.
There has to be a case to start it off.

freak scence

Murple wrote: »

So how do you explain what happened in the camp in Georgia. 51% of the 6-10 year olds tested positive, 44% of the 11-17s tested positive and 33% of the 18-21 year olds tested positive. There were 7 over 22 years and 2 of them tested positive.
Are you saying that all infections were an adult to adult and adult to child but no child to adult or child to child?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/when-covid-subsided-israel-reopened-its-schools-it-didn-t-go-well-1.4321658

byhookorbycrook

iamwhoiam wrote: »

While I agree that masks need to be worn am I right in thinking that visors for teachers of Junior and Senior infants would be more appropriate ? Very young children rely on facial expressions .

Visors aren’t sufficient protection on their own .

iamwhoiam

freak scence wrote: »

bull****

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/children-and-school-settings-covid-19-transmission

Investigations of cases identified in school settings suggest that child to child transmission in schools is uncommon and not the primary cause of SARS-CoV-2 infection in children whose onset of infection coincides with the period during which they are attending school, particularly in preschools and primary schools.

i_surge

iamwhoiam wrote: »

While I agree that masks need to be worn am I right in thinking that visors for teachers of Junior and Senior infants would be more appropriate ? Very young children rely on facial expressions .

Visors don't work

iamwhoiam

i_surge wrote: »

Visors don't work

Not as well as masks no . But they are definitely better than nothing

i_surge

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Under the new lockdown restrictions, there is a limit of 6 people meeting indoors ( with a maximum of 3 different households) and 15 meeting outdoors in Kildare.

In 3 weeks time, I will be teaching 29 eleven/twelve year old children from 29 different households in a room just not designed for the level of social distancing required, each day, in Kildare, with no PPE to be worn by children as of today.

To me, it's equally illogical and worrying.

Go on strike

freak scence

question from an outsider if an elderly teacher or someone with a weak immune system , say I do not feel comfortable working in this environment for my health ie, 3 0+ kids/children in a small class room in october with window's closed . Do they get sacked or what is the position . Thanks

i_surge

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Not as well as masks no . But they are definitely better than nothing

Not fit for purpose no matter what way you swing it.

khalessi

freak scence wrote: »

question from an outsider if an elderly teacher or someone with a weak immune system , say I do not feel comfortable working in this environment for my health ie, 3 0+ kids/children in a small class room in october with window's closed . Do they get sacked or what is the position . Thanks

https://www.education.ie/en/Circulars-and-Forms/Active-Circulars/cl0049_2020.pdf

New circular out today with information

khalessi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Not as well as masks no . But they are definitely better than nothing

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200806-are-face-shields-effective-against-covid-19

Need to be used with a mask.