How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Bobtheman

Will Yam wrote: »

Were the “very high risk” teachers downgraded to “high risk” by the politicians?

I know some of these “very high risk” people........l.

I must block you now as you once again have descended into pure bull****. I'd see a specialist about what happened to you in school. The teacher should not have called you pointlessly stupid. That was for you to find out yourself

Will Yam

khalessi wrote: »

Quote Will Yam it was his statistic

Sorry, I was using a stat from blondini who told us that there were 131 cases in schools.

Now, given that it was blondini, the real figure could be 1, 13, 131, 1300, 13100, or even 13 million.

Probably 13 million as it would suit her/his argument best.

Will Yam

Bobtheman wrote: »

I must block you now as you once again have descended into pure bull****. I'd see a specialist about what happened to you in school. The teacher should not have called you pointlessly stupid. That was for you to find out yourself

Block away.

Will Yam

khalessi wrote: »

So do I and some were in the paper as they had cancer, removal of kidney and other medical ailments and that was one person.

They were downgraded by Medmark which is owned by Eammon Ryan's brother, and I am talking proper cases that their consultants decided they were very high risk not the ones who self diagnose.

Are you insinuating that their medical decisions were as a result of being owned by Eamonn a Ryan’s brother?

Careful with that answer, now.............

Smacruairi

Will Yam wrote: »

Because kids don’t get their education in a football stadium.

It’s not a bad idea, though.

Ok so you agree in principle that restrictions are necessary. You also cited hospitals as a reference point for schools that "must stay open". So what restrictions have hospitals imposed that you would disagree with in terms of schools - eg extremely restrictive visitor measures, no hanging around lobbies, cancelling treatments etc. I would consider these very big measures to take, not at all lightly.

What measures have schools been allowed to take?

I agree, education should be taking place, but you have to admit that there is a huge cognitive dissonance here.

khalessi

Will Yam wrote: »

Are you insinuating that their medical decisions were as a result of being owned by Eamonn a Ryan’s brother?

Careful with that answer, now.............

I was just answering your question about politicians

Will Yam

khalessi wrote: »

I was just answering your question about politicians

No. You made a statement which clearly insinuated that the medical decisions were influenced by the fact that the organisation involved was owned by Eamonn Ryan’s brother.

But look, you don’t have to convince me that you didn’t. But you might have to convince Eamonn Ryan’s brothers lawyers. As mightBoards.ie.

khalessi

Will Yam wrote: »

No. You made a statement which clearly insinuated that the medical decisions were influenced by the fact that the organisation involved was owned by Eamonn Ryan’s brother.

But look, you don’t have to convince me that you didn’t. But you might have to convince Eamonn Ryan’s brothers lawyers. As mightBoards.ie.

No you are reading into it. I didnt insinuate anything.

kilburn

khalessi wrote:

No you are reading into it. I didnt insinuate anything.

Definitely a stretch to get to that conclusion best to just ignore these posters

Blondini

Will Yam wrote: »

Sorry, I was using a stat from blondini who told us that there were 131 cases in schools.

Now, given that it was blondini, the real figure could be 1, 13, 131, 1300, 13100, or even 13 million.

Probably 13 million as it would suit her/his argument best.

Sad.

irishblessing

Will Yam wrote: »

Of course the schools may become a serious problem. But 4%, even after 3 weeks isn’t at that point.

As for phased reopening, that ship has sailed, and to use that dreadful phrase, we are where we are.

But if I were M Martin I would have opened them all up on day one.

I remember some stakeholders demanding they remain closed until they got a guarantee they would have no risk of Covid. On hearing that I said to myself that m Martin had a choice - open them all up or forget it completely.

And he was right not to make the same mistake as was made with the leaving cert.

But those weren't the only choices. Again, there could/should have been phased reopening. There should have been a hybrid learning model which would have protected the vulnerable, given parents choice, and reduced crowded classroom sizes.

Will Yam

khalessi wrote: »

No you are reading into it. I didnt insinuate anything.

So why did you see fit to mention that the organisation that downgraded them is owned by Eamonn Ryan’s brother.?

Why not just say they were downgraded by xxxx.

The insinuation is very clear.

But, hey, it’s not me you have to worry about.

But Eamonn Ryan’s brother - now that’s a different matter. Best of luck!

Will Yam

irishblessing wrote: »

But those weren't the only choices. Again, there could/should have been phased reopening. There should have been a hybrid learning model which would have protected the vulnerable, given parents choice, and reduced crowded classroom sizes.

There’s no reason in the world why a hybrid model can’t be introduced, even now

irishblessing

Will Yam wrote: »

There’s no reason in the world why a hybrid model can’t be introduced, even now

There's no reason in the world why a hybrid model wasn't introduced before they reopened the school. There was more than enough time to plan and implement it.

Regardless of whether or not they could do it now (still not a whisper of it unfortunately), my response was an answer to your statement that M.Martin only had two choices in the past. As I said, those were not the only choices.

irishblessing

Will Yam wrote: »

So why did you see fit to mention that the organisation that downgraded them is owned by Eamonn Ryan’s brother.?

Why not just say they were downgraded by xxxx.

The insinuation is very clear.

But, hey, it’s not me you have to worry about.

But Eamonn Ryan’s brother - now that’s a different matter. Best of luck!

C'mon. It's only slander if it's not true. :rolleyes:

byhookorbycrook

Will Yam wrote: »

Were the “very high risk” teachers downgraded to “high risk” by the politicians?

I know some of these “very high risk” people........l.

They were downgraded by Medmark . If a consultant who has been treating a patient for many years and will give their professional opinion that their patient is very high risk , whose professional judgement is more qualified ? A gp in an office who doesn’t know that person from Adam?

wirelessdude01

Will Yam wrote: »

There’s no reason in the world why a hybrid model can’t be introduced, even now

That would mean that the department/DES/MeHole would have to admit they were wrong. They won't do that until the last possible minute.

Personally think it will take the death of someone connected to a school case before it is even considered.

wirelessdude01

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

They were downgraded by Medmark . If a consultant who has been treating a patient for many years and will give their professional opinion that their patient is very high risk , whose professional judgement is more qualified ? A gp in an office who doesn’t know that person from Adam?

For the purposes of the DES, medmark is king.

Bobtheman

Medmark is a joke. Been through it myself. Just plain Gps.
Not specialists. Let's hope the appeals process works for once. Before it's too late.

byhookorbycrook

The Irish Times broke the news ( as per usual, schools only hear of it through the media ) that DES inspectors are going to be calling to schools to check on compliance. These are educationally qualified , but don’t have any health and safety qualifications whatsoever. Be prepared for “ leaked” reports that schools aren’t keeping 2 m sd etc.

wirelessdude01

Is the school in Celbridge the first school to be told to fully close?

Sammy2012

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

The Irish Times broke the news ( as per usual, schools only hear of it through the media ) that DES inspectors are going to be calling to schools to check on compliance. These are educationally qualified , but don’t have any health and safety qualifications whatsoever. Be prepared for “ leaked” reports that schools aren’t keeping 2 m sd etc.

Our principal had a video call with our inspector the other day. We were told not to worry about paperwork this year as they are not focusing on it. So kind of them.

khalessi

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Is the school in Celbridge the first school to be told to fully close?

Which school is that? Was it on the news?

wirelessdude01

khalessi wrote: »

Which school is that? Was it on the news?

Boys school. Have seen the letter. Refers to cases and further cases. School closed and no reopening date given. Earliest will be Monday but I've heard a date in early October is a high probability. All depends on local health team.

Paddy1234

What happened the twitter account with all the schools with cases listed?

khalessi

Paddy1234 wrote: »

What happened the twitter account with all the schools with cases listed?

SHe is closing it as it is too hard to collate all the information - too time consuming

downthemiddle

Will Yam wrote: »

No. You made a statement which clearly insinuated that the medical decisions were influenced by the fact that the organisation involved was owned by Eamonn Ryan’s brother.

But look, you don’t have to convince me that you didn’t. But you might have to convince Eamonn Ryan’s brothers lawyers. As mightBoards.ie.

In unrelated news

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0917/1165854-drogheda-school-covid-19/
Teachers at one of the country's largest second level schools have expressed concern at what they say are mixed messages they received from the HSE in relation to being deemed a close contact of a person with Covid-19.

St Oliver’s Community College in Drogheda closed to more than half its students after more than 30 of its teachers were alerted yesterday via the Covid tracker app that they were close contacts of a virus case.

They were advised to begin isolating immediately and to await a call from the HSE to arrange testing.

The alerts came after it was confirmed that a staff member at the school had contracted the virus.

However, while some teachers were tested this morning, others were told by the HSE that they did not have to isolate after all, or do a test, and were free to go about their business.

The school has been in discussions this evening with the Department of Education and the HSE to seek clarity on the situation.

The Department of Education has told RTÉ News that a full public health risk assessment was undertaken at St Oliver’s.

It said that following this assessment public health officials concluded that teachers contacted by the Covid tracker app were not close contacts.

In a statement, it said public health officials had reviewed data from the app along with the information gathered from the public health assessment carried out at the school, including an interview with the person who had contracted the virus, and an "assessment of overall compliance with control measures outlined in the national guidance for school setting; and reviewing the local infection prevention and control measures".

It said the school assessment was a "broad and more detailed assessment of the risk factors identified" and that this determined the actions that were required to be undertaken.

The department said that since the teachers who had been contacted by the Covid tracker app were not close contacts they did not need a test and should continue to attend school.

A teacher at St Oliver's told RTÉ News that staff there are shocked and confused by what has happened.

Responding to the explanation from the Department of Education, the teacher said the HSE had told her earlier today that the app had made "a mistake".

She queried whether the Covid tracker app could be regarded as accurate or not when it comes to teachers in schools.

"We are not very confident," she said.

The teacher, who is among those who received a close contact text alert, said: "We are all beside ourselves.

"It’s the shock of getting the alert and then being told it’s a mistake without any explanation as to what the mistake is. There is this idea that schools will stay open at any cost. We feel like cannon fodder."

Meanwhile, the HSE earlier said that the number of Covid-19 cases in schools is 131, with 96 cases believed to have arisen through community transmission, and another 35 where transmission may have occurred in a school.

To date, 96 schools have had to test students or teachers for the virus, with 2,100 tests carried out.

The breakdown of these tests between students and teachers is not yet known.

Speaking at a HSE briefing on Covid-19 this afternoon, HSE Chief Clinical Officer Dr Colm Henry said that cases in schools are not driving community transmission.

The HSE has said it cannot comment on individual cases or outbreaks to protect the privacy and confidentiality of those involved.

In a statement to RTÉ News, it said that when a case of Covid-19 is identified which is associated to an educational facility, public health professionals engage directly with the person, or family as appropriate, and asks them about their contacts.

It said responses and recommendations for each facility may well differ, depending on the circumstances identified by public health.

St Oliver's Community College caters to more than 1,200 students and has 120 teachers.

byhookorbycrook

I have the app on my phone , but my phone isn’t always where I am in school . Lots of staff will be deleting it at this rate.

s1ippy

Don't delete it. Keep it to highlight the double standards.

combat14

Looks like we have only seen the start of Covid ..


Coronavirus: WHO says weekly cases in Europe eclipse March peak

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54189575