How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Sunday Sunday

bettyoleary wrote: »

Yes you are right people will give up SD because of greed and selfishness and lack of caring for each other. Thats so called democracy. But Im hoping the majority of people will see through this and stop it Its a sad world that can put but I thought unions would step in there. Is that not the case? How are we allowing

each other at risk and turn on each other. People are deferent and thats how this is maintained

I know vulnerable grandparents who gave up social distancing because they couldn't hold their family members.

They took a personal decision and choice, out of love and not greed or selfishness.

They would rather risk catching the virus rather than live a life of not being able to hug and kiss their family.

lulublue22

156 cases today with 2 deaths no info so far on clusters / CT


ETA 68 confirmed clusters or close contacts

15 CT

cases in 21/26 counties.

khalessi

Video with a few different classrooms on it

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/pods-and-bubbles-will-it-be-enough-to-keep-schools-safe-1.4335800?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Feducation%2Fpods-and-bubbles-will-it-be-enough-to-keep-schools-safe-1.4335800

Blondini

lulublue22 wrote: »

156 cases today with 2 deaths no info so far on clusters / CT


ETA 68 confirmed clusters or close contacts

15 CT

cases in 21/26 counties.

Just as well schools are centres of immunity then. Nothing to worry about.

lulublue22

Blondini wrote: »

Just as well schools are centres of immunity then. Nothing to worry about.

With schools force field ( ie controlled environment) corona doesn’t stand a chance :rolleyes:

Sunday Sunday

lulublue22 wrote: »

156 cases today with 2 deaths no info so far on clusters / CT


ETA 68 confirmed clusters or close contacts

15 CT

cases in 21/26 counties.

13000 tests

Thierry12

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

13000 tests

Seems to always be around 1% positive

How accurate are the tests?

lulublue22

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

13000 tests

Does 13000 tests indicate that those who tested negative are immune ? CT is on the uptick - within that 156 there are still 76 cases where the mode of transmission is unaccounted for. We now have confirmed cases in a substantial geographical spread 21/ 26 counties. Are we at armageddon ? No but we are in a worse position than June / July and we certainly are not getting on top of this situation.

combat14

lulublue22 wrote: »

156 cases today with 2 deaths no info so far on clusters / CT


ETA 68 confirmed clusters or close contacts

15 CT

cases in 21/26 counties.

158 cases and another 71 in NI

alot of papers noting Italy's 1000 cases today highest since mid May

on an island basis allowing for population difference we would be akin to 2,200 cases today compared to Italy

Murple

khalessi wrote: »

Video with a few different classrooms on it

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/pods-and-bubbles-will-it-be-enough-to-keep-schools-safe-1.4335800?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Feducation%2Fpods-and-bubbles-will-it-be-enough-to-keep-schools-safe-1.4335800

I love having a nosey around other schools! I was struck by the first school where they showed a room with 24 desks in it. It seemed a really big room but even so, there were a few desks at the side that were crammed in and as the principal said, what does he do when there are 26 or 28 in the class? It was also quite alarming to see what desks 1m apart actually looks like. There is very little space between them and imagine that with students added in. It is a very crowded environment.

Sunday Sunday

Thierry12 wrote: »

Seems to always be around 1% positive

How accurate are the tests?

Almost 100% if done properly for positive results, false negatives is another story though so depends on viral loads, early stage of infection, test procedure itself.

This is why close contacts are retested 7 days after their initial test.

The testing and contact tracing is working, which is of course is one of the reasons why we are seeing more cases.

Higgins5473

Blondini wrote: »

Okay.

My "capacity" to understand in all probability is superior to yours but thanks anyway.

I've no gripe whatsoever with you. Yet.

I didn’t feel my response was particularly unfair as it was responding to your snide smart arsed replies on testing clearly without any real understanding of the level of discomfort that an individual can feel depending on a whole load of different variables.

The government approach to reopening the schools has been at best inept and at worst totally negligent and indifferent to the welfare of teachers, SNA’s and all staff in schools and I would take issue with their response and approach to this pandemic on so many issues but regular testing of children and teachers seems impossible for so many different reasons...so on this one issue of many I wouldn’t blame them for not being able to implement any type of system to provide it.

Warbeastrior

My friend is a SNA and suffers badly with OCD (officially diagnosed and on medication for it) with contamination being the obsession for him.
A normal school year in the past for him involves what the precautions for Covid nearly look like now.
Hes terrified going back and ive noticed a big change in his mood. He loves his job and is fantastic with it but he's not sure if he can keep it up with these current guidelines.

Icyseanfitz

Thierry12 wrote: »

Seems to always be around 1% positive

How accurate are the tests?

70 - 80% accurate

smellyoldboot

Pretty much reseeded in the community now. All the spin about clusters and tracing is exactly that. 21/26 counties. We we went a month here in Waterford without a case, now there's a doubling effect about every 2 days which is exactly the warning sign that this thing is gaining traction again. School reopening won't see out September.

I trust our dear leader's have been planning for alternative scenarios.....

khalessi

Murple wrote: »

I love having a nosey around other schools! I was struck by the first school where they showed a room with 24 desks in it. It seemed a really big room but even so, there were a few desks at the side that were crammed in and as the principal said, what does he do when there are 26 or 28 in the class? It was also quite alarming to see what desks 1m apart actually looks like. There is very little space between them and imagine that with students added in. It is a very crowded environment.

Me too.I wish there was a site where people would put up photos of classrooms and could get a look to see how good or bad ours are in comparison. We have the double desks only and even though it is sixth class we have quite a lot of kids 5ft 6 or taller especially the boys, I am staring up at some of them and I am 5ft 8. So our desks will be squishy for them.

Sunday Sunday

lulublue22 wrote: »

Does 13000 tests indicate that those who tested negative are immune ? CT is on the uptick - within that 156 there are still 76 cases where the mode of transmission is unaccounted for. We now have confirmed cases in a substantial geographical spread 21/ 26 counties. Are we at armageddon ? No but we are in a worse position than June / July and we certainly are not getting on top of this situation.

Community transmission could also be cases where they've caught it from an asymptomatic unidentified case who was a close contact.

13000 is how many tests we've done in the last day, which is usually where we get our case count. So 156 of those 13000 tested for example were positive.

Not antibody tests though, just tests if you are currently infected.

The case numbers will increase the more we test, it's good because it means we're identifying a lot of cases so we can get them to isolate and contact trace quickly.

Higgins5473

Warbeastrior wrote: »

My friend is a SNA and suffers badly with OCD (officially diagnosed and on medication for it) with contamination being the obsession for him.
A normal school year in the past for him involves what the precautions for Covid nearly look like now.
Hes terrified going back and ive noticed a big change in his mood. He loves his job and is fantastic with it but he's not sure if he can keep it up with these current guidelines.

That’s a mental health disorder as you know, not a Covid at risk issue. That would be treated exactly like any other mental health condition pre Covid and he would be entitled to a certain amount of certified leave on full pay and then half pay. He should try to get signed off for as long as he can. Medmark are extremely unforgiving in these instances so it might not happen.

khalessi

Higgins5473 wrote: »

That’s a mental health disorder as you know, not a Covid at risk issue. That would be treated exactly like any other mental health condition pre Covid and he would be entitled to a certain amount of certified leave on full pay and then half pay. He should try to get signed off for as long as he can. Medmark are extremely unforgiving in these instances so it might not happen.

Medmark's stance is worrying at the best of times pre covid. I would be curious about whether or not now they have been told to take a hard stance.

brendanwalsh

Balagan1 wrote: »

Nobody is returning safely to school. Nobody. There will be clusters, kids sick, teachers and assistants sick, bus drivers sick, parents sick and/or having to quarantine and an inevitable spread to the old and vulnerable and the HSE in meltdown. Online learning should have been given huge focus and resources and upped to a very high level but it wasn't and now up to us all to make the decision for our own families. Not easy.

I think it's very clear that the school re-opening is essentially our government going the herd route.

hope enough kids get it and dont display symptoms, hope their parents are asymptomatic also and that the show keeps on the road.

anyone who dies will be written off as an unfrotuante consequence of having to reopen society and the virus we have no cure for, and of course ever death will have an addendum - 'had underlying health conditions' as if that makes it ok that they died.

FUKCING disgraceful government

martin and leo, SHAME ON YOU.

irishblessing

I have just seen a video from today's protest in Dublin. Absolutely crazy stuff. Looks like thousands, tightly packed together, children there too and out of the whole panning of the crowd I saw one mask. One. But my kids GAA game was cancelled Friday because it wasn't safe for 30 to play on a large field.

I don't get this government. They could have taken lessons from say Israel and done a phased opening with blended remote learning to facilitate smaller class sizes, in the event of staff and student sickness, those that need to shield, and in the event of shut down. WTF do they think they're doing. They're not fit to run a scouts club let alone this country. The lack of common sense & innovation is striking. And also if I may get this off my chest- I am sick to my back teeth of people saying kids need to go back to school... we can't close them... can't lockdown forever. FFS there's a huge in-between area full of solutions from that belief and a full re-opening.

i_surge

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Social distancing is effective and helps push out the peaks over the course of the epidemic, along with the other interventions such as the lockdown restrictions.

The main purpose of those restrictions was to prepare our medical services and testing capabilities during the initial peak.

Sustaining social distancing and lockdown measures over several months is not feasible because of the social fallout and of course the economy.

So we move to the next step to try to push out that curve some more, a combination of testing, isolation, and contact tracing.

Social distancing is not the only way but is part of an overall strategy, and people will over the course of time naturally stop socially distancing.

We could get lucky and the virus naturally downgrades or vanishes, we could be left dealing with it for years until we've got herd immunity or we might get a vaccine.

Leaving ourselves exposed to luck while creating our own bad luck all the while our Asian betters prosper because they don't accept this sort of waffle.

Timeline is terrible too. Years...**** that

Sunday Sunday

i_surge wrote: »

Leaving ourselves exposed to luck while creating our own bad luck all the while our Asian betters prosper because they don't except this sort of waffle.

Timeline is terrible too. Years...**** that

Oh I agree, years is an awful prospect but unfortunately a possibilty.

I don't agree with your other racist rubbish.

wirelessdude01

irishblessing wrote: »

. But my kids GAA game was cancelled Friday because it wasn't safe for 30 to play on a large field.

Why was it cancelled? Games are allowed, training is also allowed with limits.

Blondini

Higgins5473 wrote: »

The government approach to reopening the schools has been at best inept and at worst totally negligent and indifferent to the welfare of teachers,

Fair enough my friend. We are on the same side.

Loafing Oaf

irishblessing wrote: »

I have just seen a video from today's protest in Dublin. Absolutely crazy stuff. Looks like thousands, tightly packed together, children there too and out of the whole panning of the crowd I saw one mask. One.

Wasn't that kind of the point?

Oafley Jones

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

70 - 80% accurate

Had an operation last month and the anaesthesiologist said 78% Accuracy was the reason they’re were all layering up extra ppe. Said the issue is the administration of the test rather than the lab work.

i_surge

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Oh I agree, years is an awful prospect but unfortunately a possibilty.

I don't agree with your other racist rubbish.

Racist lol

Just a smarter culture, in this case objectively.

Scoondal

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Pretty much reseeded in the community now. All the spin about clusters and tracing is exactly that. 21/26 counties. We we went a month here in Waterford without a case, now there's a doubling effect about every 2 days which is exactly the warning sign that this thing is gaining traction again. School reopening won't see out September.

I trust our dear leader's have been planning for alternative scenarios.....

Covid 19 cases in ICU has been between 6 and 8 since 1 July. There are very few sick people now.
The reported cases are mostly people who didn't even know that they had a cold. People need to get realistic.

Scoondal

Moderators should tell posters here ... This is a return to school thread.