Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

What a fantastic idea that *checks notes* wouldn't impact you at all.

**** the people who would suffer the most from that though, who needs to be able to pay rent.

Would you ever just give up with this constant “oh it doesn’t impact you” stuff. You are basically denying a large proportion of the population to have an opinion on this which is total nonsense.

hynesie08

manniot2 wrote: »

Give the lockdown merchants what they want- level 5 for 9 months. **** it, no point arguing at this stage just accept it.

Penfailed wrote: »

Give the open everything merchants what they want - no restrictions from now on. **** it, no point arguing at this stage just accept it.

Middle ground, the government rents centre parcs for 9 months, anyone who wants to can live there in a covid free bubble manned by the army and their water cannons..... The rest of us can live free, infecting and counter infecting until we're either immune or dead......

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The year was 2024, daily corona virus cases just reached all time low of 2 a day in Ireland, Penfailed was still posting on boards "we are in a middle of a pandemic" :rolleyes:

daft

It's daft that you are trying to take the piss out of me rather than address the point of my post.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Would you ever just give up with this constant “oh it doesn’t impact you” stuff. You are basically denying a large proportion of the population to have an opinion on this which is total nonsense.

So who's going to pay for your hard lockdown?

There are 300,000 people out of work as it stands, how does your plan get them back to work in the next 18 months?

Your me me me attitude is frankly disgusting.

facehugger99

JRant wrote: »

People need to realise that the numbers don't matter for any of this. Hospitalization, ICU, cases, positive rate of infection, how many magpies land in the CMO's garden, are all equal valid reasons for NPHET to advise for more severe restrictions as they see fit.

NPHET have a very narrow brief - to stop the spread of covid. They do not have to give any consideration to the economic effects of their advise, nor are the qualified to make such considerations.

What has been truly shameful, have been the actions/inactions of the Government in rubber stamping their 'recommendations'.

It has been the most cowardly and nauseating response from the people we pay a kings ransom to best represent our interests.

Zebra3

facehugger99 wrote: »

NPHET have a very narrow brief - to stop the spread of covid. They do not have to give any consideration to the economic effects of their advise, nor are the qualified to make such considerations.

What has been truly shameful, have been the actions/inactions of the Government in rubber stamping their 'recommendations'.

It has been the most cowardly and nauseating response from the people we pay a kings ransom to best represent our interests.

Yep, absolute pure and utter political cowardice.

All it takes is MM flanked by his ministers to call a press conference and say that time has moved on, we are more knowledgeable than in March, but we must look to the future and start to rebuild our economy, the number of people dying is unfortunate but low, and our lives must go on with the vulnerable taking responsibility and people in general taking responsibility.

They can do their usual tricks and leak this to the media so nobody is taken by surprise, but the status quo cannot continue. In March there was a hope that this would all disappear, that there would be a vaccine. This pie in the sky thinking has to change.

How much longer is each poster prepared to go on existing like this?

Another six months?

Until 2022?

2023?

PTH2009

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yep, absolute pure and utter political cowardice.

All it takes is MM flanked by his ministers to call a press conference and say that time has moved on, we are more knowledgeable than in March, but we must look to the future and start to rebuild our economy, the number of people dying is unfortunate but low, and our lives must go on with the vulnerable taking responsibility and people in general taking responsibility.

They can do their usual tricks and leak this to the media so nobody is taken by surprise, but the status quo cannot continue. In March there was a hope that this would all disappear, that there would be a vaccine. This pie in the sky thinking has to change.

How much longer is each poster prepared to go on existing like this?

Another six months?

Until 2022?

2023?

True and mental health is going to be a massive massive issue for some people

Were working towards a plan which is not getting us back to normal

manniot2

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yep, absolute pure and utter political cowardice.

All it takes is MM flanked by his ministers to call a press conference and say that time has moved on, we are more knowledgeable than in March, but we must look to the future and start to rebuild our economy, the number of people dying is unfortunate but low, and our lives must go on with the vulnerable taking responsibility and people in general taking responsibility.

They can do their usual tricks and leak this to the media so nobody is taken by surprise, but the status quo cannot continue. In March there was a hope that this would all disappear, that there would be a vaccine. This pie in the sky thinking has to change.

How much longer is each poster prepared to go on existing like this?

Another six months?

Until 2022?

2023?

nothing is going to change lads. torturing yourselves by thinking they might.

3xh

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

It’s exceptionally annoying to have you opinions dismissed as trolling etc even more so when the opinions are actually the mainstream, majority opinion and that of the experts.

When I joined up here in early August, nox, after finally having enough of the right-on, NPHET-supporting group think, the first response to my first post was a reference to my zero post count!

I also see Dr. Feeley as an expert. You don’t? Majority v minority is subjective as we’ll never hear from the cowed medical staff who’ve been told not to go public with their comments.

weldoninhio

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No the message isnt out there.

People are convinced mask wearing and hand washing will save them.

The elephant in the room is still obesity

Surely the elephant in the room is people with obesity

3xh

I see what you did there!

Ginger n Lemon

Penfailed wrote: »

Give the open everything merchants what they want - no restrictions from now on. **** it, no point arguing at this stage just accept it.

Pen, people take.

LIVE: Grafton Street blocked as up to 1,000 protesters stage sit-in on main shopping thoroughfare

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/live-grafton-street-blocked-up-19044772

Its getting crazier out there by the week. You watch now Dublin to go to Level 2 next Friday. And it has nothing to do with "cases"

Harry Palmr

Level 2 you mean level 4

Ginger n Lemon

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Level 2 you mean level 4

No, I mean level 2.

There are no mortgage breaks.
PUP is smaller/much smaller for some.
1 in 6 unemployed.
Even a restaurant chain is ready to sue the govt for the groundless restrictions.
We know who is vulnerable to covid. we also have PPE.
Paschal has already confirmed double digit unemployment to January 2022.

Was any of above the case in March?

People are desperate now. Country is not made up of just office keyboard warriors WFH and eating dominos. And it is becoming more and more evident.

froog

edit: wrong thread

Over 600 cases, things are snowballing we are going to be absolutely f*cked unless serious action is taken fast. Level 4 won’t cut it anymore we need a country wide level 5 asap.

FintanMcluskey

froog wrote: »

edit: wrong thread

I thought so.

No worries, stay safe out there

LessOutragePlz

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Over 600 cases, things are snowballing we are going to be absolutely f*cked unless serious action is taken fast. Level 4 won’t cut it anymore we need a county wide level 5 asap.

You're like a parrot repeating the same thing over and over again.

Very shortsighted in your thinking too, as numerous posters have pointed out to you many times:
How are we going to be able to fund another lockdown when there's already 300k unemployed?

Sure we can borrow at cheap interest rates but we'll still have to pay back whatever we borrow.

We need to plough on as we are with no further restrictions we have to prioritize the economy and the future for the younger generation because they are the ones that are ultimately going to be shafted with higher taxes for many many years to repay the debt that we'd need to take on to fund further full lockdowns.

hmmm

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Over 600 cases, things are snowballing we are going to be absolutely f*cked unless serious action is taken fast. Level 4 won’t cut it anymore we need a county wide level 5 asap.

It's heading towards a 5 unless we get a grip on this.

We should be seeing now whether Dublin begins to level off. That will show us whether level 3 is sufficient to get control over this. It looks like much of the rest of the country will follow.

Tenzor07

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Over 600 cases, things are snowballing we are going to be absolutely f*cked unless serious action is taken fast. Level 4 won’t cut it anymore we need a county wide level 5 asap.

Relax Josephine, where have we heard this before? And did it happen...?


https://www.newstalk.com/news/taoiseach-says-expects-30-increase-covid-19-cases-every-day-984011

Tenzor07

hmmm wrote: »

It's heading towards a 5 unless we get a grip on this.
We should be seeing now whether Dublin begins to level off. That will show us whether level 3 is sufficient to get control over this. It looks like much of the rest of the country will follow.

The next 10 days will be crucial..

3xh

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-10-further-deaths-and-613-new-cases-39584983.html

Same again from the Indo. Top news item and the first words in the article are ‘10 further deaths......’

It’s then said, ‘Eight of the 10 deaths confirmed occurred prior to September 2020’ Today’s date is October 3rd. Not good enough, imo. This isn’t a GDPR issue as multiple people die every single day. This coyness isn’t about patient/family confidentiality.

If they know the deaths occurred prior to September, they know the exact dates.

As for the other two, they could’ve occurred on September 1st.

How likely is it we’ll be hearing about these deaths being denotified months from now.

As for the 613 new cases, further proof it’s simply a game of bingo at this stage. The numbers are meaningless.

Open up!

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Over 600 cases, things are snowballing we are going to be absolutely f*cked unless serious action is taken fast. Level 4 won’t cut it anymore we need a county wide level 5 asap.

Detailed plan including financing and the long term implications covered please.

hmmm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Detailed plan including financing and the long term implications covered please.

There is no tradeoff between hospital capacity and anything else. No government is going to say "well the ICUs will be full, but we can keep the pubs open so let's consider that as an option!"

The bottom line is that we cannot allow our hospitals to become over-run. The question then is how far can we relax restrictions to prevent this from happening.

If certain groups would just do the basics - wearing masks, social distancing, not acting the maggot with house parties etc they would contribute a lot more to the economy than all their protests will ever achieve.

facehugger99

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The next 10 days will be crucial..

We need to redouble our efforts.

pjohnson

hmmm wrote: »

There is no tradeoff between hospital capacity and anything else. No government is going to say "well the ICUs will be full, but we can keep the pubs open so let's consider that as an option!"

The bottom line is that we cannot allow our hospitals to become over-run. The question then is how far can we relax restrictions to prevent this from happening.

If certain groups would just do the basics - wearing masks, social distancing, not acting the maggot with house parties etc they would contribute a lot more to the economy than all their protests will ever achieve.

Unfortunately the basics are just too complicated.

Ginger n Lemon

pjohnson wrote: »

Unfortunately the basics are just too complicated.

PJ we did basics in June and July and August, that got us nowhere. We couldnt even re open the pubs.

PJ I need you to triple your efforts, next 2 months are crucial. Do the basics, good man.

pjohnson

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

PJ we did basics in June and July and August, that got us nowhere. We couldnt even re open the pubs.

PJ I need you to triple your efforts, next 2 months are crucial. Do the basics, good man.

Well thats you trying a massive retcon :pac:

Ginger n Lemon

pjohnson wrote: »

Well thats you trying a massive retcon :pac:

PJ I need you to limit your social contacts. Treat yourself as infectious.

hynesie08

hmmm wrote: »

There is no tradeoff between hospital capacity and anything else. No government is going to say "well the ICUs will be full, but we can keep the pubs open so let's consider that as an option!"

The bottom line is that we cannot allow our hospitals to become over-run. The question then is how far can we relax restrictions to prevent this from happening.

If certain groups would just do the basics - wearing masks, social distancing, not acting the maggot with house parties etc they would contribute a lot more to the economy than all their protests will ever achieve.

I don't disagree with any of that.

I disagree with people like nox who say stupid **** like "lock everything down for 6 months" because in their fantasy land, there's a magic key that will restore the economy the day we reopen.......