Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

freak scence

so where are the saps now saying they are in the know , saying restaurants and pubs would be closed today ? instead they are extending times. Boards gimps stroking their beards n mickeys

stephenjmcd

freak scence wrote: »

they are, whole point of my question

Went past the one on Abbey street today and it was closed

hynesie08

freak scence wrote: »

they are, whole point of my question

They're not

freak scence

hynesie08 wrote: »

They're not

dunloairghe is according to some dope i met today

The White Wolf

Fitz* wrote: »

October at the earliest now IMO.

September or New Year is what I've been expecting for awhile. If they were too afraid to open in July/August then the hysteria is going to be fever pitch from October.

Jizique

PTH2009 wrote: »

go to the offy, buy a ****load of German beer and drink it at home with german music in the background

No way will something like that happen this year,

Wasn’t happening anyway - insurance too high or unobtainable but known well before Covid

Jackman25

hmmm wrote: »

You'd take your chances with a virus which has completely unknown side-effects and has inflicted gruesome deaths on thousands, has forced older people into hiding and devastated the economy, rather than take a vaccine which has been developed by some of the best scientists in the world and will be tested on tens of thousands of people?

Fearmongering ****e.
Most people that get it don't even know they had it.

Tenzor07

SusieBlue wrote: »

The first round of the vaccine will be geared toward health care & social care staff and I don’t fit into either of those categories so I have nothing to worry about it anyway, I won’t be a priority to be vaccinated regardless.
You are being disingenuous by suggesting I merely have to ‘take a vaccine’ though, vaccines can be devastating when they go wrong. I am still in favour of them because the benefit outweighs the risk every time.
I just won’t be first on the list to volunteer for this one. If you want to take that risk then fair play to you.

I wouldn't hang all my hopes on a safe effective vaccine this year, when it's most needed...
Could be this time next year before we have something approaching a safe vaccine..Unless you want to take Putin's Sputnik V and have your nuts fall off ya..
By then Covid could exist only in isolated incidences and if Govt's drop the hard lockdowns like in many countries then we will have Herd Immunity... no need for a vaccine..

Neowise

freak scence wrote: »

they are, whole point of my question

freak scence wrote: »

dunloairghe is according to some dope i met today

So you're arguing with people on the word of some dope you met today??

freak scence

it's all aload of cock now anyway hospitals know how to deal with it they are giving patients different drugs that suppress the effects and are puttinf patients on ventilators way later , gov and nphet anti drink saps don't tell us this . Deaths are way down . They are on a power trip , probably had alco parents and are totally against drink . It's all a load of ****e now , and they think they can allow 1m kids licking everything back to school at once and schools still have not gotten their grants , **** off mickey martin and egg head

Tenzor07

Well, if RTE are saying it then others in Government should consider this:

Also today, the Government has indicated there will be stricter oversight of compliance by pubs that have reopened. It is unfortunate that we have not seen any detailed data on any outbreaks in pubs. It may be that there has not yet been a single case. Also, the science behind the requirement that patrons must have food is unclear. The closing time for pubs and restaurants is now extended by half an hour.

Galwayguy35

hmmm wrote: »

Your "little bit of caution" is contributing to an active campaign by anti-vaxxers who want to give the impression that a potential Covid vaccine is "unsafe", which in turn potentially leads to large numbers of people not taking it, which then potentially leads to a lack of herd immunity which means we are all less safe - and particularly those who we as a community really need to protect. Vaccines will not be as effective for older people and immuno-compromised people, and they are reliant on the rest of us protecting them.

Your choice is not cost-free. The cost falls on the vulnerable in society.

Some Covid vaccines (e.g. the Oxford vaccine) have been in development for over 10 years as they originally targeted SARS and MERS. Others are based on proven platforms which have been used for other diseases. They will have gone through phase 1 safety trials, and are being tested on tens of thousands of people in phase 3 trials. They will then need to be approved by regulators in both the EU and Ireland before the general public ever sees it.

I don't agree with trying to guilt trip people into taking a vaccine if they are not comfortable with it.

IAMAMORON

They need the extra few weeks for the arm wrestle with the teachers unions over when the kids are heading back. That is the elephant in the room currently. They made a mess of the leaving cert and it is all going to be education education edumaaaaacation for the next few weeks.

They can't open the boozers until they can blame the kids for further outbreaks.

SusieBlue

hmmm wrote: »

Your "little bit of caution" is contributing to an active campaign by anti-vaxxers who want to give the impression that a potential Covid vaccine is "unsafe", which in turn potentially leads to large numbers of people not taking it, which then potentially leads to a lack of herd immunity which means we are all less safe - and particularly those who we as a community really need to protect. Vaccines will not be as effective for older people and immuno-compromised people, and they are reliant on the rest of us protecting them.

Your choice is not cost-free. The cost falls on the vulnerable in society.

Some Covid vaccines (e.g. the Oxford vaccine) have been in development for over 10 years as they originally targeted SARS and MERS. Others are based on proven platforms which have been used for other diseases. They will have gone through phase 1 safety trials, and are being tested on tens of thousands of people in phase 3 trials. They will then need to be approved by regulators in both the EU and Ireland before the general public ever sees it.

Would you ever get over yourself, you’re actually hysterical. I said that I wouldn’t be first to sign up for the vaccine, and you’re all but implying I’m some sort of evil granny killer, using loaded manipulative language to try to make me feel guilty.
I will get it, I just don’t want to be one of the first. I want to see how other people get on with it first.
A sensible, measured approach to take, in my opinion.

I will not be offered the vaccine in the first two phases as I’m not high risk or a healthcare professional so it’s irrelevant anyway, the government has made the choice on my behalf. They have decided that other people need it more than I do.
They will be getting it long before I will as per the government plan.

My little bit of caution is in my opinion a reasonable measure to take when a brand new vaccine is urgently rushed through the system to treat a virus that has caused a devastating worldwide pandemic.
If you don’t agree then I really don’t care, but you won’t guilt me into feeling bad about it.
It’s actually pathetic of you but not remotely surprising.

hmmm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I don't agree with trying to guilt trip people into taking a vaccine if they are not comfortable with it.

If we have a vaccine next year and people won't take it, then you should be made to feel guilty about what your choices will mean. We're in a pandemic, your selfishness will prolong it.

Hopefully we can also reopen pubs to people who can prove they have been vaccinated. It would be unfair to ask people who have done their bit to be put at risk by the "I'll let other people take it first" crowd.

Galwayguy35

hmmm wrote: »

If we have a vaccine next year and people won't take it, then you should be made to feel guilty about what your choices will mean. We're in a pandemic, your selfishness will prolong it.

Hopefully we can also reopen pubs to people who can prove they have been vaccinated. It would be unfair to ask people who have done their bit to be put at risk by the "I'll let other people take it first" crowd.

Seriously man you need to stop telling people what they should and shouldn't do with their own bodies, I won't be going anywhere near a vaccine until I'm sure its 100% safe.

pjohnson

hmmm wrote: »

If we have a vaccine next year and people won't take it, then you should be made to feel guilty about what your choices will mean. We're in a pandemic, your selfishness will prolong it.

Hopefully we can also reopen pubs to people who can prove they have been vaccinated. It would be unfair to ask people who have done their bit to be put at risk by the "I'll let other people take it first" crowd.

Anti-vaxxers and those disputing vaccines dont care about anyone but themselves so guilt wont be an issue.

Coillte_Bhoy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I don't agree with trying to guilt trip people into taking a vaccine if they are not comfortable with it.

And its not an effective way to encourage them wither i would suggest

weldoninhio

hmmm wrote: »

It's amazing how all these pro-vaccine people never stop talking about how they won't be taking a vaccine.

The whole world is crying out to get out of this mess, and yet we have a campaign of misinformation to try and spread doubt about the one thing which will get us out of it.

What “misinformation”. Medications have side effects. Some more than others. Some happen straight away, others develop over time. It why they have medical trials for years before releasing medications onto the market.

weldoninhio

hmmm wrote: »

It's amazing how all these pro-vaccine people never stop talking about how they won't be taking a vaccine.

The whole world is crying out to get out of this mess, and yet we have a campaign of misinformation to try and spread doubt about the one thing which will get us out of it.

What “misinformation”. Medications have side effects. Some more than others. Some happen straight away, others develop over time. It why they have medical trials for years before releasing medications onto the market.

weldoninhio

Gods Gift wrote: »

Any word of octoberfest in Dublin.

Our insurance cartel ruined that last year. Keep up.

weldoninhio

freak scence wrote: »

they are, whole point of my question

The one on Abbey Street and the one in Swords haven’t reopened yet.

hmmm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Seriously man you need to stop telling people what they should and shouldn't do with their own bodies, I won't be going anywhere near a vaccine until I'm sure its 100% safe.

I don't care what you do or don't do, as long as it only affects yourself. Which unfortunately isn't going to be the case.

Pubs are going to be closed until 2021 in my opinion. We're going to have a vaccine, and the only way to protect the vulnerable and re-start parts of the economy (like pubs) will be if people take the vaccine. And there's going to be a big argument next year when pubs want to re-open, but we don't have herd immunity because the percentage who have taken the vaccine is not high enough. People who are in vulnerable groups will still be unable to safely visit pubs or similar places in that scenario.

In that case, I'd support opening the pubs, but limiting them only to vaccinated people.

hmmm

weldoninhio wrote: »

What “misinformation”. Medications have side effects. Some more than others. Some happen straight away, others develop over time. It why they have medical trials for years before releasing medications onto the market.

The trials for the current vaccines are running multiple phases in parallel - normally these are run one after each other. They've also started manufacturing before approval - this also shortens the timeline. There's no difference in terms of safety, each phase is still taking the same length of time - just not sequentially. We're still testing tens of thousands of people in phase 3 trials for each vaccine.

You are spreading misinformation by claiming medicines are not safe without years of testing.

SEPT 23 1989

uo first on the RTE news at 9pm was the threat of the guards against the people if they misbehaved

Who gave the orders to RTE for that?

Dyr

Are NPHEt using all island figures now?

Jackman25

hmmm wrote: »

I don't care what you do or don't do, as long as it only affects yourself. Which unfortunately isn't going to be the case.

Pubs are going to be closed until 2021 in my opinion. We're going to have a vaccine, and the only way to protect the vulnerable and re-start parts of the economy (like pubs) will be if people take the vaccine. And there's going to be a big argument next year when pubs want to re-open, but we don't have herd immunity because the percentage who have taken the vaccine is not high enough. People who are in vulnerable groups will still be unable to safely visit pubs or similar places in that scenario.

In that case, I'd support opening the pubs, but limiting them only to vaccinated people.

Why don't the vulnerable get the vaccine?

hmmm

Jackman25 wrote: »

Why don't the vulnerable get the vaccine?

A lot of vaccines don't work well in older people or immuno-compromised (they don't have a strong enough immune system to generate a robust response to the vaccine), and some people just can't take vaccines at all. People like that rely on everyone else getting the vaccine and are protected through the herd immunity.

Anecdotally the Oxford vaccine does appear to be giving a strong response in some older people, so fingers crossed.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

I don't care what you do or don't do, as long as it only affects yourself. Which unfortunately isn't going to be the case.

Pubs are going to be closed until 2021 in my opinion. We're going to have a vaccine, and the only way to protect the vulnerable and re-start parts of the economy (like pubs) will be if people take the vaccine. And there's going to be a big argument next year when pubs want to re-open, but we don't have herd immunity because the percentage who have taken the vaccine is not high enough. People who are in vulnerable groups will still be unable to safely visit pubs or similar places in that scenario.

In that case, I'd support opening the pubs, but limiting them only to vaccinated people.

Do you seriously think publicans are going to wait until 2021 to reopen. Not a chance they will wait until 2021. Too many will end up closing for good if this happens

freak scence

hmmm wrote: »

I don't care what you do or don't do, as long as it only affects yourself. Which unfortunately isn't going to be the case.

Pubs are going to be closed until 2021 in my opinion. We're going to have a vaccine, and the only way to protect the vulnerable and re-start parts of the economy (like pubs) will be if people take the vaccine. And there's going to be a big argument next year when pubs want to re-open, but we don't have herd immunity because the percentage who have taken the vaccine is not high enough. People who are in vulnerable groups will still be unable to safely visit pubs or similar places in that scenario.

In that case, I'd support opening the pubs, but limiting them only to vaccinated people.

lol ,0 cases in pubs and you are spouting this utter crap , you must work for muppets ie nphet