Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Limpy

freak scence wrote: »

lol ,0 cases in pubs and you are spouting this utter crap , you must work for muppets ie nphet

They'll blame man caves next. The government haven't a clue what to do. They are just pandering to the curtain twitchers.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you seriously think publicans are going to wait until 2021 to reopen. Not a chance they will wait until 2021. Too many will end up closing for good if this happens

In my opinion pubs should be focusing on trying to get government financial support to tide them over until we have a vaccine in 2021, and anyone who thinks they will open in the middle of a pandemic is not being realistic. There have been too many cases in other countries tied to pubs, they are clearly high risk. It's not going to get any better as we head into colder months and more people gather indoors, at least now people are socialising outdoors and the thing is still getting away from us. It's no-ones fault, and I think there would be broad public support for a bailout of businesses.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

In my opinion pubs should be focusing on trying to get government financial support to tide them over until we have a vaccine in 2021, and anyone who thinks they will open in the middle of a pandemic is not being realistic. There have been too many cases in other countries tied to pubs, they are clearly high risk. It's not going to get any better as we head into colder months and more people gather indoors, at least now people are socialising outdoors and the thing is still getting away from us. It's no-ones fault, and I think there would be broad public support for a bailout of businesses.

Do you know that we might not actually have a vaccine in 2021. Who knows when we will find one.

hynesie08

hmmm wrote: »

In my opinion pubs should be focusing on trying to get government financial support to tide them over until we have a vaccine in 2021, and anyone who thinks they will open in the middle of a pandemic is not being realistic. There have been too many cases in other countries tied to pubs, they are clearly high risk. It's not going to get any better as we head into colder months and more people gather indoors, at least now people are socialising outdoors and the thing is still getting away from us. It's no-ones fault, and I think there would be broad public support for a bailout of businesses.

And, considering it's be 5 months, how long should they be waiting? I'm not in favour of a wild west scenario, but considering wet pubs have put thousands into safe reopening that they're not allowed do, and the government has all but confirmed they're closed till at least the 13th, I wouldn't be begrudging any pub that renews it's licence and just opens with measures in place.

If you are going to go down, go down swinging......

Dickie10

this is mad looks like the government are going bald headed for the nuclear winter scenario, jesus i actually was telling somebody this a few days back about the dream i had. Christ this is going to be grim. christmas without pubs /clubs/ shopping going to be a nightmare. this will end bad...........

on the other hand i actually frimly believe this is purely a spike and a good kick up the arse for processing plants. i have a feeling this time next month or say last week in september cases will be back down to 15-20 a day. id bet we wont have 10 covid deaths in the next month. how many deaths have we had in August?

rubadub

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you seriously think publicans are going to wait until 2021 to reopen.

If it's the law I think the majority would. Just because they are selling recreational drugs do you think they are utter "madlads" who are more likely to break the law than other businesses? when the headshops had various previously legal drugs banned from sale with next to no notice most seemed to comply.

Van.Bosch

From the revised guidelines, it says no more than 6 people from 3 households at a table in restaurants.

I know one adhered you the rule before but I thought you had to be from same household or else social distance.

Neowise

Dickie10 wrote: »

this is mad looks like the government are going bald headed for the nuclear winter scenario, jesus i actually was telling somebody this a few days back about the dream i had. Christ this is going to be grim. christmas without pubs /clubs/ shopping going to be a nightmare. this will end bad...........

on the other hand i actually frimly believe this is purely a spike and a good kick up the arse for processing plants. i have a feeling this time next month or say last week in september cases will be back down to 15-20 a day. id bet we wont have 10 covid deaths in the next month. how many deaths have we had in August?

July 30th, 1763
Aug 17th, 1774
Today, 1775


12 deaths so far in August.

giveitholly

Neowise wrote: »

July 30th, 1763
Aug 17th, 1774
Today, 1775


12 deaths so far in August.

Any idea how many of them actually died in August and how many were notifications of earlier deaths?

hynesie08

rubadub wrote: »

If it's the law I think the majority would. Just because they are selling recreational drugs do you think they are utter "madlads" who are more likely to break the law than other businesses? when the headshops had various previously legal drugs banned from sale with next to no notice most seemed to comply.

They made what they were selling illegal though..... Once pubs realise that their license is safe and the gardai will police with common sense (social dis and contact tracing is more important than a frozen pizza) the government will fall in line quickly and the game will change.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

giveitholly wrote: »

Any idea how many of them actually died in August and how many were notifications of earlier deaths?

How many of them would have died either way with or without covid.

How many died FROM covid as opposed to WITH.

How many were over 70.

How many had two or more serious underlying conditions.

When will we hear that they’ve over estimated the deaths and revise them?

This is all bananas. Gov going nuclear on the approach of lockdowns is absolute insanity. They should be looking at Sweden and Switzerland and moving towards that model but they 100% won’t because that’s admitting they got this completely wrong. Double down, keep the fear cycle going, more masks, more lockdowns, more damage to the economy.

It’s time to stop.

Shanotheslayer

Hunky Monster wrote: »

How many of them would have died either way with or without covid.

I'm gonna say 100%

rubadub

hynesie08 wrote: »

They made what they were selling illegal though...

that is what I was specifically talking about, if its illegal they would similarly comply

If it's the law I think the majority would.

if made illegal I think they would, not this wishy washy "pretty please" request.

When the sale of alcohol was illegal on good friday some pubs opened and only served food. I imagine some punters smuggled in drink just they might still bring a sneaky can into mcdonalds.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'm gonna say 100%

Genuine lol there!

PommieBast

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you seriously think publicans are going to wait until 2021 to reopen. Not a chance they will wait until 2021. Too many will end up closing for good if this happens

With six months of unpaid bills and nothing beyond weasel words from the government in terms of assistance, a large portion are already doomed.

hynesie08

rubadub wrote: »

When the sale of alcohol was illegal on good friday some pubs opened and only served food. I imagine some punters smuggled in drink just they might still bring a sneaky can into mcdonalds.

And a very large amount just opened the side door and served to their hearts content. House parties were rampant as well. If you make alcohol illegal the bump in Cross border sales would make the exchequer blush, ignoring the increase in drink driving in the border region, and you'd still find a dozen places where you could knock on the window....

NIMAN

giveitholly wrote: »

Any idea how many of them actually died in August and how many were notifications of earlier deaths?

... and if it was definitely Covid that killed them?
Or did something else kill them and they happened to have CV19.

rubadub

hynesie08 wrote: »

And a very large amount just opened the side door and served to their hearts content.

On good friday? was this really the case? roughly what % are you claiming here? All I ever heard of was some hotel bars giving regulars keys so they could claim they were residents. Never heard of pubs opening side doors, I guess it might have happened but not particularly common, not worth the risk.

I also heard of head shops that continued to sell the illegal drugs but I guess most seemed to comply.

hynesie08 wrote: »

House parties were rampant as well.

well I never! on good friday!? who'd have thunk it... Next you're going to tell me offies were busy on the night before good friday!

ShooterSF

rubadub wrote: »

On good friday? was this really the case? roughly what % are you claiming here? All I ever heard of was some hotel bars giving regulars keys so they could claim they were residents. Never heard of pubs opening side doors, I guess it might have happened but not particularly common, not worth the risk.

I can definitely tell ya it wasn't a frequent thing where I am. We always treated is as barman's holiday and usually organised charity 11 a sides with lads from different bars playing. And yes then back to houses to party and go in and pour the cure at the start of your shift next day. God I miss them days.
But I'm sure there are many bars that are owned and manned by the same person/family for whom their customers are as much family and company as they are clientele who probably had them in the side door maybe even put up a few freebies.

hynesie08

rubadub wrote: »

On good friday? was this really the case? roughly what % are you claiming here? All I ever heard of was some hotel bars giving regulars keys so they could claim they were residents. Never heard of pubs opening side doors, I guess it might have happened but not particularly common, not worth the risk.

If I had to put a number on it, somewhere between 1-100....... All I can say for certain is you weren't shy of a place to drink in Dublin city centre on good friday if you wanted one....

rubadub wrote: »

heard of head shops that continued to sell the illegal drugs but I guess most seemed to comply.

How many of them were 3rd and 4th generation businesses starting down the barrel of oblivion though? Most were sex shops jumping on a fad.....

thesandeman

Bars holding a theatre license were allowed to open on Good Friday. It appears there are still a few of them still around Dublin.

Hunky Monster

Hunky Monster wrote: »

How many of them would have died either way with or without covid.

How many died FROM covid as opposed to WITH.

How many were over 70.

How many had two or more serious underlying conditions.

When will we hear that they’ve over estimated the deaths and revise them?

This is all bananas. Gov going nuclear on the approach of lockdowns is absolute insanity. They should be looking at Sweden and Switzerland and moving towards that model but they 100% won’t because that’s admitting they got this completely wrong. Double down, keep the fear cycle going, more masks, more lockdowns, more damage to the economy.

It’s time to stop.

Only came across this recently, my fathers good friend died of a heart attack while at work. The hospital couldn't release his body until they tested him for COVID 19. They wanted to see if he died WITH C19 even though he had a heart attack. He would have went down as a COVID related death if he had it. Madness, how many more of those death stats are the similar? Government should be releasing those figures.

Lefty2Guns

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

Only came across this recently, my fathers good friend died of a heart attack while at work. The hospital couldn't release his body until they tested him for COVID 19. They wanted to see if he died WITH C19 even though he had a heart attack. He would have went down as a COVID related death if he had it. Madness, how many more of those death stats are the similar? Government should be releasing those figures.

Given covid attacks more than the lungs then it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that it accelerated the heart attack.

Thierry12

Neowise wrote: »

July 30th, 1763
Aug 17th, 1774
Today, 1775


12 deaths so far in August.

About 3 times less than Pneumonia then, that kills 20 a week

lee_baby_simms

Thierry12 wrote: »

About 3 times less than Pneumonia then, that kills 20 a week

I bet it doesn't kill 20 per week at the moment. Mostly classified as covid.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Thierry12 wrote: »

About 3 times less than Pneumonia then, that kills 20 a week

Or all the undiagnosed cancers.

Beasty

Back on topic everyone. That is about the re-opening of "No-Food" pubs. You can read about and discuss death numbers in the main thread

Irish Steve

Given the numbers coming out of Aberdeen, can we really afford to re open all the pubs?

I can report today that according to the latest figures we have a total of 386 cases have been now been identified in Grampian since the 26th of July.

220 of these are associated with the cluster linked to Aberdeen pubs, and 1125 contacts have now been identified from those 220 cases.

I can confirm today that 13 cases which had previously been identified but not allocated to the cluster have now following further investigation been added because they are considered to be associated with that cluster.

SusieBlue

Irish Steve wrote: »

Given the numbers coming out of Aberdeen, can we really afford to re open all the pubs?

I don’t think that’s really fair when Scotland don’t have the same reopening procedures in place as we do.
From what I gather there is no time limit, food requirement or booking necessary for Scottish pubs and while they have the rule of staying seated, it was neither adhered to nor enforced.
Irish pubs are operating completely differently, so they can’t be compared.

Are there numbers out of every other city in Europe or do we just base it off worst case scenarios?