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Historical list of Irish gundealers and smiths

  • 15-07-2020 2:29pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭


    Found this on another board.Might be of intrest to some? Dont think ONE of those names exist today?

    Alley Dublin Gunmaker 1760-1775
    N Alley Dublin Gunmaker 1760
    Henry Allport Cork Gunmaker 1826?-1880?
    William Anglin Wexford Gunmaker c.1830
    Edward Bassit Dublin Gunmaker 1840-1850
    Bryan Cork Gun maker 1810?
    Thomas Calderwood 22 Little Mary Street Dublin Gunmaker 1810-1896
    Clarke Dublin Pistol maker c.1815
    George Cooney Kells Hardware Merchant c.1900
    W Doyle & Co Church Court and Church Street Dublin Gunmakers 1900
    P Duff Ballygawley Gunmaker 1900
    John Dunne 10 Russell Street Tralee Gunmaker 1900
    Edward Dublin NK
    John Edwards Castle Street Tralee Gunmaker 1927-30?
    Eley Brothers 9 Dawson Street - See William Eley Dublin
    J Fearniey Soothill Gunmaker c.1875
    The Fenian Gun Company Dublin? Gunmakers 1890?
    John Flint & Co Church Court Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    Ran Ford Dublin Gunmaker c.1740
    Thomas Fowler Dublin Gunmaker c.1810
    Foys Athlone Gun Dealers? c.1900
    Freeney's High Street Galway Gun Dealer c.1920?
    Paddy Garnett Crampton Court, Dame Street; Essex Quay Dublin Gunsmith 1860-1990?
    M Garnett & Son See Paddy Garnett Dublin
    Garnetts & Keegans See Paddy Garnett Dublin
    Gilroy Lurgan Gunmaker 1820?
    J Gray Dublin Gun maker 1800?
    Hall & Powell see Benjamin Powell of Dublin, Ireland Dublin
    Harold Dundalk Gun maker 1825?
    H Hart Gunmaker c.1860?
    Hely Bros 26-29 Dame Street Dublin Gun dealers & fishing tackle 1900?-1965?
    Thomas H Henshaw & Co Dublin Gunmakers? c.1920? Agents for Holloway & Sons
    Timothy Hughes Cork Gunmaker c.1770
    Irish Metal Industries Ltd Dublin Ammunition Manufacturers 1926?-1962?
    William Kavanagh 6 Anderson's Court, Greek Street Dublin Gun, pistol & rifle maker 1796-1928
    P V Kavanagh & Sons Dublin Gunmaker 1850?-1965?
    L Keegan 35 Upper Ormonde Quay Dublin Gunmaker 1900-1939
    Langson Dublin NK
    John Lanigan Dublin Gunmaker c.1840
    Leech Sligo Gunmaker 1820?-1846?
    Michael Loughlan North Main Street Youghal Gunmaker 1900
    John McDaniel Monaghan Gunmaker 1818?-1840?
    John McDaniel Monaghan Gunmaker c.1800-1825
    Farrell McDermot 35 St Mary's Abbey Dublin Gun maker 1795-1827
    Roger Mulligan Dublin Gun maker 1719-1727
    J T Mulligan Cork NK 1880?
    John Murphy Dublin Gunmaker c.1820
    T W Murray & Co 87 Patrick Street Cork Gunmaker 1826-1956
    T Naughton & Sons Sports Dealers c.1930?
    Francis Nelson 32 Castle Street Sligo Gunmaker 1900?-1930?
    Augustine Nerstor 28 & 33 George Street Limerick Gunmaker 1900
    A Nestor Limerick Gunsmith? c.1880?
    Daniel O'Connor 12 Parliament Street Dublin Gunmaker 1850?
    J C Parkes & Co 110-111 Combe Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    John Parkinson 17 Arram Quay Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    Thomas Pattison Unknown address Dublin Gunmakers 1835-1860?
    Benjamin Powell Dublin Gunmaker 1750?-1800?
    M Ransford Dublin Gunmaker c1750
    Read Dublin Gunmaker & Sword Cutler
    G Richardson Unknown address Cork Gun maker 1824?-1875
    Richardson Doughal Gun maker c.1850
    Thomas Richardson & Sons See G Richardson Cork
    John Rigby 19 Suffolk Street Dublin Gun & rifle manufacturers 1775-1892
    Rumbold Dublin Gun makers 1750?-1810?
    Ryan Dublin Gunmaker C.1800
    Shore Gunmaker c.1800
    E Thompson Essex Quay Dublin Gunsmith 1900
    William Trulock Britain Street Dublin Gunmakers 1814-1918
    Trulock & Harriss See William Trulock Dublin
    Trulock Brothers See William Trulock Dublin
    Joseph Tuthill 134 North Main Street Youghal Gunsmith 1900
    Samuel Wallace Dublin Gun maker 1775?
    Walsh Dublin Gunmaker c.1840
    Watts Bros Ltd 4 Upper Abbey Street Dublin Gun & Rifle Makers 1900?-1950?
    Charles Weekes & Co 27 Essex Quay - See John Weekes Dublin
    John Weekes & Co 12 Fishramble Street Dublin Gunmakers 1835-1906
    John Wheelock Main Street Wexford Gunsmith 1900
    P W Whitney Cork Gunmaker
    Whittaker & Co 14 William Street Limerick Gunsmiths 1900
    Wilkes & Harrison Dublin Ireland Dates 1893?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭recipio


    Nestors. Bought my first air rifle there. I think Diana was the only available brand back in the 70's - at least in the ROI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Got my 1st gun when I was ten out of there.A single barrel poachers .410.
    Still have it,and shot just about everything with it too.44 years ago this year
    Gus,Joe and Louie,who ran the caamera shop around the corner on Roches st were utter gents,and an utter font of knowledge in things fishing and shooting for a young Grizzly back then:)The shop was an Aladdins cave of stuff in both shooting ,fishing and model aircraft and boats.Could find mad things in there. Was a sad day when they finally closed the shutters on that shop.:(:(

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Stephenc66


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Got my 1st gun when I was ten out of there.A single barrel poachers .410.
    Still have it,and shot just about everything with it too.44 years ago this year
    Gus,Joe and Louie,who ran the caamera shop around the corner on Roches st were utter gents,and an utter font of knowledge in things fishing and shooting for a young Grizzly back then:)The shop was an Aladdins cave of stuff in both shooting ,fishing and model aircraft and boats.Could find mad things in there. Was a sad day when they finally closed the shutters on that shop.:(:(

    About the same age a .410 from Watts in Dublin. Then having moved from Wicklow to Clare would have shopped in Nestors for Cartridges and .22 air-rifle pellets I still have a scope I bought in there to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Ha Ha!..Now THAT'S irony... I got my first airgun from Watts in Dublin,4 years later.:D A Spanish break barrel Gamo,with the pistol grip design.
    We must have bumped into each other there when we were youngsters.
    Still have three posters, now framed that used to be in the downstairs gun dept. The Eley girls, the Bakial poster and the very old Winchester cowboy poster.Remember them?:)

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Stephenc66


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Ha Ha!..Now THAT'S irony... I got my first airgun from Watts in Dublin,4 years later.:D A Spanish break barrel Gamo,with the pistol grip design.
    We must have bumped into each other there when we were youngsters.
    Still have three posters, now framed that used to be in the downstairs gun dept. The Eley girls, the Bakial poster and the very old Winchester cowboy poster.Remember them?:)

    I can't say that I do but it really was a great shop didn't one of the guys from there Steve I think it was open on his own around Denmark street I think?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Stephenc66


    Time have changed so much back in the '70's and 80's half the hardware's in the country sold ammunition. Some like Hopkins in Wicklow sold guns to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Stephenc66 wrote: »
    Time have changed so much back in the '70's and 80's half the hardware's in the country sold ammunition. Some like Hopkins in Wicklow sold guns to.

    Yes, i remember getting eley bullets in the hardware in Kilcullen 25-ish years ago, and running out of shells while roughshooting and nipping into the hardware beside the courthouse, and garda station in Dunlavin, and buying a box.

    Seems like a different world now that i think back :(

    Also the biggest city in the country, Dublin, hasn't a single gunmaker or gunshop in it, apart from being able to buy ammo in Rorys fishing tackle in Temple Bar.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Watts Bros Ltd 4 Upper Abbey Street Dublin Gun & Rifle Makers 1900?-1950?
    Another one for Watts.

    They continued on as dealers into the 80s. Bought my first gun there. A Spanish O/U. An Orbit. Loved that gun.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Stephenc66


    Does anyone remember a game fair in Goff's of Kildare maybe very late '70s very early '80s. I seem to remember every second stable decked out as a sporting goods store with firearms, archery and fishing equipment. Thinking back on it there must have been a good number of firearms dealers represented.

    Or maybe it was my youthful amazement that made it seem there was more there :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    There was another guy up the top end of Blanchardstown village years ago, back in the 80's. Only went into his place once, i thought he was a know-all so never went back near him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,787 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Cass wrote: »
    Another one for Watts.

    They continued on as dealers into the 80s. Bought my first gun there. A Spanish O/U. An Orbit. Loved that gun.

    I remember my Dad bringing me in there on a family trip to Dublin. I recall him telling me about Watts as being something with a history attached. I mind him chatting to the man in the shop and him talking about winding it down, this would have been circa 1996.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Feisar wrote: »
    I remember my Dad bringing me in there on a family trip to Dublin. I recall him telling me about Watts as being something with a history attached. I mind him chatting to the man in the shop and him talking about winding it down, this would have been circa 1996.

    A business killed off by an act of sheer stupidity. Illegally buying a pistol that had been used in a murder :confused:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Stephenc66 wrote: »
    I can't say that I do but it really was a great shop didn't one of the guys from there Steve I think it was open on his own around Denmark street I think?

    Steve Normoyle.Yeah he had Steves fishing and shooting,[and occasionaly ladies handbags and shoes] in the Milk market,and then the "I got worms" fishing and very little shooting shop on Ellen st. He is now last I heard the rep for Gowan & Bradshaw in Galway.One of these folks who keep falling upwards!

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    tudderone wrote: »
    A business killed off by an act of sheer stupidity. Illegally buying a pistol that had been used in a murder :confused:.

    Somthing biker gang related if the story is correct?A Mauser.32 cal[?] vest pistol.FIK they could buy such as gun dealers,but didnt report the circumstances to AGS or that some chacter made such an approach to them.

    What I do remember them doing was importing the SPAS12 shotguns and the Armi Jager/Squires Bingham line of .22 lookalikes of the AR15s and others. This is however in the mid-1980s when the "Idontlike de look of dat now!" regined supreme along with the "shure the IRA will use that " mentality. So they were on the shelves for about 3 months,before they were pulled.

    Ironically,at the same time the Terminator film was out on general relaese,and coincidentally the ARW and Garda ERU had bought these SPAS12 at the same time;):rolleyes::D. Still have them I belive,the ultra back of the armoury gunrack queens.
    Remember this well,as I was busting my gonads,desperatly trying to save up the then HUGE amount of 900 ?punts for one of the SPAS on a relatively good paying job of 60 punts per week.
    Yeah Watts on the Quay is sadly missed.:(
    Watts on the Quay was a great shop alotgether

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Somthing biker gang related if the story is correct?A Mauser.32 cal[?] vest pistol.FIK they could buy such as gun dealers,but didnt report the circumstances to AGS or that some chacter made such an approach to them.

    What I do remember them doing was importing the SPAS12 shotguns and the Armi Jager/Squires Bingham line of .22 lookalikes of the AR15s and others. This is however in the mid-1980s when the "Idontlike de look of dat now!" regined supreme along with the "shure the IRA will use that " mentality. So they were on the shelves for about 3 months,before they were pulled.

    Ironically,at the same time the Terminator film was out on general relaese,and coincidentally the ARW and Garda ERU had bought these SPAS12 at the same time;):rolleyes::D. Still have them I belive,the ultra back of the armoury gunrack queens.
    Remember this well,as I was busting my gonads,desperatly trying to save up the then HUGE amount of 900 ?punts for one of the SPAS on a relatively good paying job of 60 punts per week.
    Yeah Watts on the Quay is sadly missed.:(
    Watts on the Quay was a great shop alotgether


    You dodged a bullet so to speak, i believe those franchi spas 12's weren't the best ? I remember watts were selling Kestral shotguns, a side by side game gun for either 260 or 290 punts, and i was trying to get the bobs together for one, didn't happen either :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    In the long run...No, they were a bit of a disaster for real-life sales to military /LE, as they really weren't doing anything better than a std 80s pump or semi could do for a lot less money and weight. Not to mind complexity. They and their successor the SPAS15 are a nightmare of small parts, as well as having a serious design flaw with the old flappy paddle safety selector. Namely a nasty habit of firing while engaging the safety.:eek: Even the replacement push-button safety didn't 100% cure that issue either on some guns.

    They are both heavy pigs, as I found out later trying one for trap and skeet in the US once for the craic.But they DO look good.So no wonder they became Hollywood stars of many films.
    Hey,we were all young and dumb once and influenced by things we saw. Thats my excuse anyway.:p:p

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭TombstoneT


    tudderone wrote: »
    You dodged a bullet so to speak, i believe those franchi spas 12's weren't the best ? I remember watts were selling Kestral shotguns, a side by side game gun for either 260 or 290 punts, and i was trying to get the bobs together for one, didn't happen either :(
    I remember the Kestrel back in the 80,s. A lovely gun, my first shotgun. I couldn't wait to save up so I joined the local credit union and borrowed the £200+ and straight into Murrays in Cork. After a short time the left firing pin snapped but Murrays sorted it quickly. Other than that it never gave trouble again. Murrays is still a great shop and at times I still stare in the window as I did as a kid. I remember saving like mad to buy the heavy duty catapult in the window. Great but simple times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭TombstoneT


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Found this on another board.Might be of intrest to some? Dont think ONE of those names exist today?

    Alley Dublin Gunmaker 1760-1775
    N Alley Dublin Gunmaker 1760
    Henry Allport Cork Gunmaker 1826?-1880?
    William Anglin Wexford Gunmaker c.1830
    Edward Bassit Dublin Gunmaker 1840-1850
    Bryan Cork Gun maker 1810?
    Thomas Calderwood 22 Little Mary Street Dublin Gunmaker 1810-1896
    Clarke Dublin Pistol maker c.1815
    George Cooney Kells Hardware Merchant c.1900
    W Doyle & Co Church Court and Church Street Dublin Gunmakers 1900
    P Duff Ballygawley Gunmaker 1900
    John Dunne 10 Russell Street Tralee Gunmaker 1900
    Edward Dublin NK
    John Edwards Castle Street Tralee Gunmaker 1927-30?
    Eley Brothers 9 Dawson Street - See William Eley Dublin
    J Fearniey Soothill Gunmaker c.1875
    The Fenian Gun Company Dublin? Gunmakers 1890?
    John Flint & Co Church Court Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    Ran Ford Dublin Gunmaker c.1740
    Thomas Fowler Dublin Gunmaker c.1810
    Foys Athlone Gun Dealers? c.1900
    Freeney's High Street Galway Gun Dealer c.1920?
    Paddy Garnett Crampton Court, Dame Street; Essex Quay Dublin Gunsmith 1860-1990?
    M Garnett & Son See Paddy Garnett Dublin
    Garnetts & Keegans See Paddy Garnett Dublin
    Gilroy Lurgan Gunmaker 1820?
    J Gray Dublin Gun maker 1800?
    Hall & Powell see Benjamin Powell of Dublin, Ireland Dublin
    Harold Dundalk Gun maker 1825?
    H Hart Gunmaker c.1860?
    Hely Bros 26-29 Dame Street Dublin Gun dealers & fishing tackle 1900?-1965?
    Thomas H Henshaw & Co Dublin Gunmakers? c.1920? Agents for Holloway & Sons
    Timothy Hughes Cork Gunmaker c.1770
    Irish Metal Industries Ltd Dublin Ammunition Manufacturers 1926?-1962?
    William Kavanagh 6 Anderson's Court, Greek Street Dublin Gun, pistol & rifle maker 1796-1928
    P V Kavanagh & Sons Dublin Gunmaker 1850?-1965?
    L Keegan 35 Upper Ormonde Quay Dublin Gunmaker 1900-1939
    Langson Dublin NK
    John Lanigan Dublin Gunmaker c.1840
    Leech Sligo Gunmaker 1820?-1846?
    Michael Loughlan North Main Street Youghal Gunmaker 1900
    John McDaniel Monaghan Gunmaker 1818?-1840?
    John McDaniel Monaghan Gunmaker c.1800-1825
    Farrell McDermot 35 St Mary's Abbey Dublin Gun maker 1795-1827
    Roger Mulligan Dublin Gun maker 1719-1727
    J T Mulligan Cork NK 1880?
    John Murphy Dublin Gunmaker c.1820
    T W Murray & Co 87 Patrick Street Cork Gunmaker 1826-1956
    T Naughton & Sons Sports Dealers c.1930?
    Francis Nelson 32 Castle Street Sligo Gunmaker 1900?-1930?
    Augustine Nerstor 28 & 33 George Street Limerick Gunmaker 1900
    A Nestor Limerick Gunsmith? c.1880?
    Daniel O'Connor 12 Parliament Street Dublin Gunmaker 1850?
    J C Parkes & Co 110-111 Combe Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    John Parkinson 17 Arram Quay Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    Thomas Pattison Unknown address Dublin Gunmakers 1835-1860?
    Benjamin Powell Dublin Gunmaker 1750?-1800?
    M Ransford Dublin Gunmaker c1750
    Read Dublin Gunmaker & Sword Cutler
    G Richardson Unknown address Cork Gun maker 1824?-1875
    Richardson Doughal Gun maker c.1850
    Thomas Richardson & Sons See G Richardson Cork
    John Rigby 19 Suffolk Street Dublin Gun & rifle manufacturers 1775-1892
    Rumbold Dublin Gun makers 1750?-1810?
    Ryan Dublin Gunmaker C.1800
    Shore Gunmaker c.1800
    E Thompson Essex Quay Dublin Gunsmith 1900
    William Trulock Britain Street Dublin Gunmakers 1814-1918
    Trulock & Harriss See William Trulock Dublin
    Trulock Brothers See William Trulock Dublin
    Joseph Tuthill 134 North Main Street Youghal Gunsmith 1900
    Samuel Wallace Dublin Gun maker 1775?
    Walsh Dublin Gunmaker c.1840
    Watts Bros Ltd 4 Upper Abbey Street Dublin Gun & Rifle Makers 1900?-1950?
    Charles Weekes & Co 27 Essex Quay - See John Weekes Dublin
    John Weekes & Co 12 Fishramble Street Dublin Gunmakers 1835-1906
    John Wheelock Main Street Wexford Gunsmith 1900
    P W Whitney Cork Gunmaker
    Whittaker & Co 14 William Street Limerick Gunsmiths 1900
    Wilkes & Harrison Dublin Ireland Dates 1893?

    What an amazing list. Isn't it great how it "triggered" a conversation of older times and memories for people, including me. Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Heres one from the archives.The first pistol club in Ireland in 1962.Apprently in the basemet of Garnets and Keegans... Think the Depts CRI might have a few comments about the backstop these days.:D

    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2017/0829/900839-dublin-pistol-club/

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Speaking of Garnett and Keegans, an interesting article on that firm. I was only in it once as a nipper, when i badgered the oul fella to go in and have a look. They were trying to develop a hunting rifle based on the p14/m17 Enfield rifle, with their own cartridge design.


    http://stephenmyall.com/five/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Be another chapter in my memoirs on how I discovered one of my neighbours was a top clay pigeon shooter,longtime wild fowler all over Clare and Munster,rather unsuccessful ambusher of the Auxiliaries as a teenager in our neighbourhood,and commander of the Land Defence force,detailed to defend Dollymount strand one night from the Wehrmacht,with a dozen other lads armed with pikes,two .303 rifles with the wrong ammo[303 Savage apprently],and two Luger pistols in 1941 and had also been chosen to represent Ireland in the Olympic games in Mexico in 1964 but couldn't go because of his missus refusing to let him:D, who mentored me on the finer points of clay shooting on a Purdey SXS as a teen,and told me if I wanted it,it was mine when he retired...

    I last saw it in a glass case in the closing days of 31 Parliament St,at the utterly unaffordable price of 5thousand Punts for a then struggling security gaurd...:(

    I had lost contact with him growing up and moving out and on in the world as you do,and I guess he had forgotten or never mentioned this promise to his wife or sister,when they moved back to Dublin.Sure hope it helped those two ol dears and tough as nails little women out who were both excellent horsewomen and breeders of Irish setters in their old age.
    Such is life...

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Another magnet for anyone of a huntin', shootin', fishin', bent on the same street, Parliament street. I still have the Imperial schrade knife, made in Ireland (Kerry i think) i bought in Reads as a youngster.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Got him!


    I have an old gun case from John Parkinson in Dublin. I believe it's dated well before 1900 though. The label in side is well faded but can still be read. The Gun in that particular case I have is an English Hammer Gun by W J George of Dover. I still take it out occasionally but with the lead ban coming it's days are numbered!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    In the long run...No, they were a bit of a disaster for real-life sales to military /LE, as they really weren't doing anything better than a std 80s pump or semi could do for a lot less money and weight. Not to mind complexity. They and their successor the SPAS15 are a nightmare of small parts, as well as having a serious design flaw with the old flappy paddle safety selector. Namely a nasty habit of firing while engaging the safety.:eek: Even the replacement push-button safety didn't 100% cure that issue either on some guns.

    They are both heavy pigs, as I found out later trying one for trap and skeet in the US once for the craic.But they DO look good.So no wonder they became Hollywood stars of many films.
    Hey,we were all young and dumb once and influenced by things we saw. Thats my excuse anyway.:p:p

    SPAS 12, the ultimate Hollywood gun. In all other settings the ultimate POS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Got him! wrote: »
    I have an old gun case from John Parkinson in Dublin. I believe it's dated well before 1900 though. The label in side is well faded but can still be read. The Gun in that particular case I have is an English Hammer Gun by W J George of Dover. I still take it out occasionally but with the lead ban coming it's days are numbered!


    https://ramrodantiques.blogspot.com/2020/06/john-parkinson-gunmaker-coaching-pistols.html

    You should take a picture of the label and send it here :

    https://ramrodantiques.blogspot.com


    He documents and is interested in anything to do with Irish gunmakers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭juice1304


    Got him! wrote: »
    I have an old gun case from John Parkinson in Dublin. I believe it's dated well before 1900 though. The label in side is well faded but can still be read. The Gun in that particular case I have is an English Hammer Gun by W J George of Dover. I still take it out occasionally but with the lead ban coming it's days are numbered!

    There is a guy on ebay who will reproduce gun case labels if you would like a new one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Found this on another board.Might be of intrest to some? Dont think ONE of those names exist today?

    Alley Dublin Gunmaker 1760-1775
    N Alley Dublin Gunmaker 1760
    Henry Allport Cork Gunmaker 1826?-1880?
    William Anglin Wexford Gunmaker c.1830
    Edward Bassit Dublin Gunmaker 1840-1850
    Bryan Cork Gun maker 1810?
    Thomas Calderwood 22 Little Mary Street Dublin Gunmaker 1810-1896
    Clarke Dublin Pistol maker c.1815
    George Cooney Kells Hardware Merchant c.1900
    W Doyle & Co Church Court and Church Street Dublin Gunmakers 1900
    P Duff Ballygawley Gunmaker 1900
    John Dunne 10 Russell Street Tralee Gunmaker 1900
    Edward Dublin NK
    John Edwards Castle Street Tralee Gunmaker 1927-30?
    Eley Brothers 9 Dawson Street - See William Eley Dublin
    J Fearniey Soothill Gunmaker c.1875
    The Fenian Gun Company Dublin? Gunmakers 1890?
    John Flint & Co Church Court Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    Ran Ford Dublin Gunmaker c.1740
    Thomas Fowler Dublin Gunmaker c.1810
    Foys Athlone Gun Dealers? c.1900
    Freeney's High Street Galway Gun Dealer c.1920?
    Paddy Garnett Crampton Court, Dame Street; Essex Quay Dublin Gunsmith 1860-1990?
    M Garnett & Son See Paddy Garnett Dublin
    Garnetts & Keegans See Paddy Garnett Dublin
    Gilroy Lurgan Gunmaker 1820?
    J Gray Dublin Gun maker 1800?
    Hall & Powell see Benjamin Powell of Dublin, Ireland Dublin
    Harold Dundalk Gun maker 1825?
    H Hart Gunmaker c.1860?
    Hely Bros 26-29 Dame Street Dublin Gun dealers & fishing tackle 1900?-1965?
    Thomas H Henshaw & Co Dublin Gunmakers? c.1920? Agents for Holloway & Sons
    Timothy Hughes Cork Gunmaker c.1770
    Irish Metal Industries Ltd Dublin Ammunition Manufacturers 1926?-1962?
    William Kavanagh 6 Anderson's Court, Greek Street Dublin Gun, pistol & rifle maker 1796-1928
    P V Kavanagh & Sons Dublin Gunmaker 1850?-1965?
    L Keegan 35 Upper Ormonde Quay Dublin Gunmaker 1900-1939
    Langson Dublin NK
    John Lanigan Dublin Gunmaker c.1840
    Leech Sligo Gunmaker 1820?-1846?
    Michael Loughlan North Main Street Youghal Gunmaker 1900
    John McDaniel Monaghan Gunmaker 1818?-1840?
    John McDaniel Monaghan Gunmaker c.1800-1825
    Farrell McDermot 35 St Mary's Abbey Dublin Gun maker 1795-1827
    Roger Mulligan Dublin Gun maker 1719-1727
    J T Mulligan Cork NK 1880?
    John Murphy Dublin Gunmaker c.1820
    T W Murray & Co 87 Patrick Street Cork Gunmaker 1826-1956
    T Naughton & Sons Sports Dealers c.1930?
    Francis Nelson 32 Castle Street Sligo Gunmaker 1900?-1930?
    Augustine Nerstor 28 & 33 George Street Limerick Gunmaker 1900
    A Nestor Limerick Gunsmith? c.1880?
    Daniel O'Connor 12 Parliament Street Dublin Gunmaker 1850?
    J C Parkes & Co 110-111 Combe Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    John Parkinson 17 Arram Quay Dublin Gunmaker 1900
    Thomas Pattison Unknown address Dublin Gunmakers 1835-1860?
    Benjamin Powell Dublin Gunmaker 1750?-1800?
    M Ransford Dublin Gunmaker c1750
    Read Dublin Gunmaker & Sword Cutler
    G Richardson Unknown address Cork Gun maker 1824?-1875
    Richardson Doughal Gun maker c.1850
    Thomas Richardson & Sons See G Richardson Cork
    John Rigby 19 Suffolk Street Dublin Gun & rifle manufacturers 1775-1892
    Rumbold Dublin Gun makers 1750?-1810?
    Ryan Dublin Gunmaker C.1800
    Shore Gunmaker c.1800
    E Thompson Essex Quay Dublin Gunsmith 1900
    William Trulock Britain Street Dublin Gunmakers 1814-1918
    Trulock & Harriss See William Trulock Dublin
    Trulock Brothers See William Trulock Dublin
    Joseph Tuthill 134 North Main Street Youghal Gunsmith 1900
    Samuel Wallace Dublin Gun maker 1775?
    Walsh Dublin Gunmaker c.1840
    Watts Bros Ltd 4 Upper Abbey Street Dublin Gun & Rifle Makers 1900?-1950?
    Charles Weekes & Co 27 Essex Quay - See John Weekes Dublin
    John Weekes & Co 12 Fishramble Street Dublin Gunmakers 1835-1906
    John Wheelock Main Street Wexford Gunsmith 1900
    P W Whitney Cork Gunmaker
    Whittaker & Co 14 William Street Limerick Gunsmiths 1900
    Wilkes & Harrison Dublin Ireland Dates 1893?

    Leonards Gun Shop John St Limerick
    Kearneys Guns Mary St Limerick
    Gunroom Rathkeale (Peter O Donovan)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Leonards Gun Shop John St Limerick
    Kearneys Guns Mary St Limerick
    Gunroom Rathkeale (Peter O Donovan)

    1st one got caught supplying arms or doing a bank raid with said arms off the rack in the 1970s. Remember that well, as my ol man had had a crow plucking session with him about his gun repair skills about 2 weeks before, and the SB called over for a chat about his relationship with this individual,and taking the .22 for a ballistics test.

    Kearneys,Fruit&Veg,Guns and Ammo,now the playground for the Gael scoil in Johns St.Not well liked by the shooting community for his sharp practises.

    The Gun Room Rathkeale.Peter Donovan.An utter gent and a pleasure to deal with.Tiny little room above his watch&jewellery store on Main St. He had some right treasures in there over the years;

    A Winchester 1897 takedown that looked like it lived IN the Shannon Estuary for 30 years,but worked perfectly. An ultra rare Armalite AR SHOTGUN[ forgotten weapons YT has a video on these] never seen one since,and a SBL 8 bore shotgun with 20 rounds of ammo,and a Unique .22/pistol rifle carbine combo.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    1st one got caught supplying arms or doing a bank raid with said arms off the rack in the 1970s. Remember that well, as my ol man had had a crow plucking session with him about his gun repair skills about 2 weeks before, and the SB called over for a chat about his relationship with this individual,and taking the .22 for a ballistics test.

    Kearneys,Fruit&Veg,Guns and Ammo,now the playground for the Gael scoil in Johns St.Not well liked by the shooting community for his sharp practises.

    The Gun Room Rathkeale.Peter Donovan.An utter gent and a pleasure to deal with.Tiny little room above his watch&jewellery store on Main St. He had some right treasures in there over the years;

    A Winchester 1897 takedown that looked like it lived IN the Shannon Estuary for 30 years,but worked perfectly. An ultra rare Armalite AR SHOTGUN[ forgotten weapons YT has a video on these] never seen one since,and a SBL 8 bore shotgun with 20 rounds of ammo,and a Unique .22/pistol rifle carbine combo.


    Probably still in the phoenix park gathering dust.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    I remember reading a bit about Barton Smith in Sligo, they have been in business a long time. Are they still going ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Steve Normoyle.Yeah he had Steves fishing and shooting,[and occasionaly ladies handbags and shoes] in the Milk market,and then the "I got worms" fishing and very little shooting shop on Ellen st. He is now last I heard the rep for Gowan & Bradshaw in Galway.One of these folks who keep falling upwards!

    Gone from them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    1st one got caught supplying arms or doing a bank raid with said arms off the rack in the 1970s. Remember that well, as my ol man had had a crow plucking session with him about his gun repair skills about 2 weeks before, and the SB called over for a chat about his relationship with this individual,and taking the .22 for a ballistics test.

    Kearneys, Fruit&Veg, Guns and Ammo, now the playground for the Gael scoil in Johns St.Not well liked by the shooting community for his sharp practises.

    The Gun Room Rathkeale.Peter Donovan.An utter gent and a pleasure to deal with.Tiny little room above his watch&jewellery store on Main St. He had some right treasures in there over the years;

    A Winchester 1897 takedown that looked like it lived IN the Shannon Estuary for 30 years,but worked perfectly. An ultra rare Armalite AR SHOTGUN[ forgotten weapons YT has a video on these] never seen one since,and a SBL 8 bore shotgun with 20 rounds of ammo,and a Unique .22/pistol rifle carbine combo.

    1st one supplied the weapons for the robbery of the GPO
    His son is Leonards Garage Renault Dealer on Mulgrave St

    There was landers in Tralee
    Halpins Listowel

    Kearneys a robbing git, I remember getting my first .22 early 70s, I had a written cover note from mayorstone Bks, Nestors would not give me ammo on the cover note, Kearney did but charged me a fortune knowing I was stuck, when licence came through never darkened his door again after that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    1st one supplied the weapons for the robbery of the GPO
    His son is Leonards Garage Renault Dealer on Mulgrave St
    :eek::eek: Which GPO was that?I was about 7or 8 at the time when this happened.So wouldn't be that up on the full story.


    Kearneys a robbing git, I remember getting my first .22 early 70s, I had a written cover note from mayorstone Bks, Nestors would not give me ammo on the cover note, Kearney did but charged me a fortune knowing I was stuck, when licence came through never darkened his door again after that

    Was going to let someone else break the ice on that one!:D
    But yes! I heartily concur, as would many others. That SOB diddled me out of an O/U,ok it was a cheap BRNO, but it was the model that was combo and double rifle interchangeable.
    Paid a deposit, and then waited like forever 5 months about then for the grant[pre 06 ] and then had a crisis that I couldn't afford it there and then for the balance.
    The fuker then sold it from under me, never informed me of any of this and then used up the deposit for storage fees.:mad: He went out of business soon after that, about 1993I think? No loss at all.

    Tim Landers..Good man. He stuck with me thru the "arms trials" for my semi-auto rifle, and sorted my first 410 poachers shotgun, that was getting loose in the action Pity he gave up the gunshop, as he did have some exotics betimes in there.
    Are Halpin's gone now as well?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    :eek::eek: Which GPO was that?I was about 7or 8 at the time when this happened.So wouldn't be that up on the full story.





    Was going to let someone else break the ice on that one!:D
    But yes! I heartily concur, as would many others. That SOB diddled me out of an O/U,ok it was a cheap BRNO, but it was the model that was combo and double rifle interchangeable.
    Paid a deposit, and then waited like forever 5 months about then for the grant[pre 06 ] and then had a crisis that I couldn't afford it there and then for the balance.
    The fuker then sold it from under me, never informed me of any of this and then used up the deposit for storage fees.:mad: He went out of business soon after that, about 1993I think? No loss at all.

    Tim Landers..Good man. He stuck with me thru the "arms trials" for my semi-auto rifle, and sorted my first 410 poachers shotgun, that was getting loose in the action Pity he gave up the gunshop, as he did have some exotics betimes in there.
    Are Halpin's gone now as well?

    If my memory is correct the GPO Limerick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    :eek::eek: Which GPO was that?I was about 7or 8 at the time when this happened.So wouldn't be that up on the full story.





    Was going to let someone else break the ice on that one!:D
    But yes! I heartily concur, as would many others. That SOB diddled me out of an O/U,ok it was a cheap BRNO, but it was the model that was combo and double rifle interchangeable.
    Paid a deposit, and then waited like forever 5 months about then for the grant[pre 06 ] and then had a crisis that I couldn't afford it there and then for the balance.
    The fuker then sold it from under me, never informed me of any of this and then used up the deposit for storage fees.:mad: He went out of business soon after that, about 1993I think? No loss at all.

    Tim Landers..Good man. He stuck with me thru the "arms trials" for my semi-auto rifle, and sorted my first 410 poachers shotgun, that was getting loose in the action Pity he gave up the gunshop, as he did have some exotics betimes in there.
    Are Halpin's gone now as well?

    If my memory is correct the GPO Limerick


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    If my memory is correct the GPO Limerick

    We started a pistol club in sarsfield barracks in the mid 70s,Eamon Moriarty (RIP) a international pistol and rifle shooter started it,he had connections,gardai gave us the go ahead for the pistols, Eamon Moriarty went overseas for term and was transferred to other units just as we got the thing off the ground,it fell apart shortly after 🥴☹️


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Whatever happened to that range in Sarsfield?Heard it was open for awhile for.22 and air rifle up to the 80s?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    :eek::eek: Which GPO was that?I was about 7or 8 at the time when this happened.So wouldn't be that up on the full story.





    Was going to let someone else break the ice on that one!:D
    But yes! I heartily concur, as would many others. That SOB diddled me out of an O/U,ok it was a cheap BRNO, but it was the model that was combo and double rifle interchangeable.
    Paid a deposit, and then waited like forever 5 months about then for the grant[pre 06 ] and then had a crisis that I couldn't afford it there and then for the balance.
    The fuker then sold it from under me, never informed me of any of this and then used up the deposit for storage fees.:mad: He went out of business soon after that, about 1993I think? No loss at all.

    Tim Landers..Good man. He stuck with me thru the "arms trials" for my semi-auto rifle, and sorted my first 410 poachers shotgun, that was getting loose in the action Pity he gave up the gunshop, as he did have some exotics betimes in there.
    Are Halpin's gone now as well?
    Ya I believe Halpin is gone, health issues I believe,
    The super in kerry was I believe was anti gun which was the demise of Landers packing in the trade


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Ya I believe Halpin is gone, health issues I believe,
    The super in kerry was I believe was anti gun which was the demise of Landers packing in the trade

    I can guess which Super that was too.:mad: The one in the witness box who claimed: "no civilians should have any type of firearms at all.":mad: And thus showed himself to be not fit to be an issuing unbiased authority, fortunately, he is gone as well.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭deerhunter1


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    I can guess which Super that was too.:mad: The one in the witness box who claimed: "no civilians should have any type of firearms at all.":mad: And thus showed himself to be not fit to be an issuing unbiased authority, fortunately, he is gone as well.

    Correct and Right,a right arrogant prick


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭feartuath


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Got my 1st gun when I was ten out of there.A single barrel poachers .410.
    Still have it,and shot just about everything with it too.44 years ago this year
    Gus,Joe and Louie,who ran the caamera shop around the corner on Roches st were utter gents,and an utter font of knowledge in things fishing and shooting for a young Grizzly back then:)The shop was an Aladdins cave of stuff in both shooting ,fishing and model aircraft and boats.Could find mad things in there. Was a sad day when they finally closed the shutters on that shop.:(:(

    A friend and I collected his first .22 in Nestors years ago wrapped in brown paper and we hitched a lift home with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    An old lad here in the district bought and still has a genuine lever-action Winchester 1887 shotgun he bought of Nestors in the 70s for 12 old pounds!:)
    Think it is worth a bit more at this stage.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭feartuath


    If I had the cash back then it was Winchester or Eley from Nestors, if not Kearney sold Record which were a few pounds cheaper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    An old lad here in the district bought and still has a genuine lever-action Winchester 1887 shotgun he bought of Nestors in the 70s for 12 old pounds!:)
    Think it is worth a bit more at this stage.

    They weren't a great gun though were they ? Not like the Humpback semi-auto's and 1897 pump, all designed by Browning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭juice1304


    tudderone wrote: »
    They weren't a great gun though were they ? Not like the Humpback semi-auto's and 1897 pump, all designed by Browning.

    They are a great gun and also designed by browning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    juice1304 wrote: »
    They are a great gun and also designed by browning.

    Yeah i know the lever guns were designed by browning, thats why i mentioned him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭Dai John


    feartuath wrote: »
    A friend and I collected his first .22 in Nestors years ago wrapped in brown paper and we hitched a lift home with it.

    Bought a Squires Bingham 22 LR about 1985 from Nestors, still using it. Cost £100.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Only spotted this thread now, TW Murray's on Patrick's Street is a legendary shop.

    You'll get the same level of service and attention in there if you are buying a one euro packet of trout hooks than you would if you were buying a rod or reel or rifle that cost hundreds. The O'Connell family that own it have encouraged more youngster's to enjoy fishing and hunting than any other business or family I know of.

    I was in there decades ago buying some rods and reels as prizes for a juvenile competition we were running and when Mr. O'Connell was totting up the bill he rounded every thing down like they always do and then gave the last item free of charge on top of it. "Herra we have to look after the youngsters, shur aren't they the future of our sport". He still does it, a proper gentleman and a pleasure to do deal with.

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Its-for-the-tradition-as-much-as-the-business-that-Ive-kept-it-going-all-the-years-Keeping-shopping-local-in-heart-of-Cork-38281ba9-be8b-4278-bd11-1e02f896bb60-ds

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    O "Herra we have to look after the youngsters, shur aren't they the future of our sport". He still does it, a proper gentleman and a pleasure to do deal with.

    Last of the very old school...And his words are incredibly wise on this, and one we should all try and emulate.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,787 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Anyone remember Peter Hussey (RIP) in Tullamore, put a lefty stock on a shotgun for me when I was starting out.

    First they came for the socialists...



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