Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

GrasstoMilk

jaymla627 wrote: »

Hard to fathom given the last few weeks of weather that the herd is holding at 1.9kgs ms of 1kg of meal, without stripping the condition of them

3 kgs here for 1.75 kgs had them.up to 4kg when it was wet and they still dropped

Dosing again on monday for lung worm, woeful amount of coughing going on atm, done for ibr at start of july

Buford T. Justice XIX

cosatron wrote: »

Surely the 2606kg/ha of nitrogen is wrong cause according fertilizer association website it’s says to multiply kg/ha*0.8 to convert to units/acres that’s giving me figure over 2000 units . Colour me confused. Can someone shed some light on this

I'd say its a decimal point in the wrong spot.

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

3 kgs here for 1.75 kgs had them.up to 4kg when it was wet and they still dropped

Dosing again on monday for lung worm, woeful amount of coughing going on atm, done for ibr at start of july

It wasn’t extra meal they needed in wet weather it’s some of those rocket fuel high dm bales made during summer they were in here for 10’days no extra meal and I’m just about holding 2 kgms

ted_182

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

3 kgs here for 1.75 kgs had them.up to 4kg when it was wet and they still dropped

Dosing again on monday for lung worm, woeful amount of coughing going on atm, done for ibr at start of july

Id be scruitinising the cause of the coughing abit more if you have dosed already, maybe get a handful of lungwashs done to see is it definitely lungworm

GrasstoMilk

ted_182 wrote: »

Id be scruitinising the cause of the coughing abit more if you have dosed already, maybe get a handful of lungwashs done to see is it definitely lungworm

They were done back in mid may so done a while tbh. Lung washes arent cheap either
I've paid close attention to them the last week or so and I reckon its lung worm just by the way they are coughing

Mooooo

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

They were done back in mid may so done a while tbh. Lung washes arent cheap either
I've paid close attention to them the last week or so and I reckon its lung worm just by the way they are coughing

Is it a young herd? There should be more immunity there in cow's, you're not alone however have heard of a good few going in twice. Done the once here with epricis

RightTurnClyde

jaymla627 wrote: »

Hard to fathom given the last few weeks of weather that the herd is holding at 1.9kgs ms of 1kg of meal, without stripping the condition of them

I'd say they are only at 1kg this week. Go back on their notes they were at 3.3 and higher for the earlier weeks of Aug

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

They were done back in mid may so done a while tbh. Lung washes arent cheap either
I've paid close attention to them the last week or so and I reckon its lung worm just by the way they are coughing

Didn’t u use eprecis (injection)I’d be asking questions there if u did should be no need to go in again mow ,lungworms May not be the problem

jaymla627

mahoney_j wrote: »

Didn’t u use eprecis (injection)I’d be asking questions there if u did should be no need to go in again mow ,lungworms May not be the problem

Eprecis provides two weeks cover against reinfection after that cows will become infected again, higher stocking rates cows been pushed to graze tighter in all likelihood down the line will lead to ivermection been useless for treating lung worms due to resistance been built up, with no other drug licensed to work on lactating cows it will become a huge issue on alot of farms

Gillespy

Reading the dairy thread on the British forum some seem to be dosing several times a year. Saw a gruesome picture of an autopsy of a heifer that died from it. Not so much an autopsy but the vet just cut her and you could see them inside everywhere. A lot seem to be going back to vaccinating youngstock with Huskvac before going out. I don't know if it's resistance or they just manage calves differently there, not grazing them in the first year maybe.

Say my name

Gillespy wrote: »

Reading the dairy thread on the British forum some seem to be dosing several times a year. Saw a gruesome picture of an autopsy of a heifer that died from it. Not so much an autopsy but the vet just cut her and you could see them inside everywhere. A lot seem to be going back to vaccinating youngstock with Huskvac before going out. I don't know if it's resistance or they just manage calves differently there, not grazing them in the first year maybe.

I've seen posts on Facebook from an impartial poster showing farming life of spring born calves being dosed in May. And as if to say it's normal farming life.
If people could get it through their heads that this is not normal nor should it have ever been accepted as normal we might get somewhere.

Now how to correct it..

Don't feed stock with forage and feed that has been sprayed with glyph or dockspray.
You ruin their immune system.

Graze youngstock on the same farm as the cows.

Reduce the nitrogen and fertilizer usage. Potash included.

Build the brix in your forage. Healthy feed means healthy stock and better able to withstand any disease or viral attacks.

Only dose when there's symptoms not as according to the calendar.

And remember it's not normal to dose no matter what calendar or hat you receive from the company.

Every generation gets better when you start to implement the above. Likewise it's the opposite holds true too.

Siamsa Sessions

Say my name wrote: »

I've seen posts on Facebook from an impartial poster showing farming life of spring born calves being dosed in May. And as if to say it's normal farming life.
If people could get it through their heads that this is not normal nor should it have ever been accepted as normal we might get somewhere.

Now how to correct it..

Don't feed stock with forage and feed that has been sprayed with glyph or dockspray.
You ruin their immune system.

Graze youngstock on the same farm as the cows.

Reduce the nitrogen and fertilizer usage. Potash included.

Build the brix in your forage. Healthy feed means healthy stock and better able to withstand any disease or viral attacks.

Only dose when there's symptoms not as according to the calendar.

And remember it's not normal to dose no matter what calendar or hat you receive from the company.

Every generation gets better when you start to implement the above. Likewise it's the opposite holds true too.

You could also buy store lambs in October to clean out paddocks. Whatever worms affect cattle don’t impact sheep and vice versa so mixed grazing is a simple wormer in itself

straight

Rocket fuel is expensive

https://www.facebook.com/1161444260573591/posts/3425071844210810/

Siamsa Sessions

straight wrote: »

Rocket fuel is expensive

https://www.facebook.com/1161444260573591/posts/3425071844210810/

€35-40 a bale is expensive "rocket fuel" alright.

What would be very useful in the PastureBase app (or other grass measuring apps) is a calculation or ratio of fertiliser applied versus grass grown.

Sacrolyte

Yer overthinking it lads

straight

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Yer overthinking it lads

Maybe underthinking. Alot to be said for buying in bales for 20 to 25 euro.

whelan2

straight wrote: »

Maybe underthinking. Alot to be said for buying in bales for 20 to 25 euro.

Delivered. If you know what you're getting

Siamsa Sessions

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Yer overthinking it lads

Could well be but the point remains - media reports of people growing 16t of grass don’t tell the full story when they don’t mention how much fertiliser is being spread or how much it cost to set up and maintain paddocks

straight

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Could well be but the point remains - media reports of people growing 16t of grass don’t tell the full story when they don’t mention how much fertiliser is being spread or how much it cost to set up and maintain paddocks

Maybe if they all cut and weighed they wouldn't be growing 16 ton.

mahoney_j

straight wrote: »

Maybe if they all cut and weighed they wouldn't be growing 16 ton.

16/18 tonne whatever figure lads want to throw at it .it dosnt matter I’ve zero idea of how many tonnes I grow and couldn’t be arsed figuring it out I’m carrying a high Sr use near max of Fertliser I’m allowed cows out early feb within reason till early November .i take surpluses etc etc many others same.what u do with the grass is important

kevthegaff

Scanned today heifers and cows, under 5%empty, thought I was going well with 9% last year!

Mooooo

kevthegaff wrote: »

Scanned today heifers and cows, under 5%empty, thought I was going well with 9% last year!

Well done great going, how long was breeding season?

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Scanned today heifers and cows, under 5%empty, thought I was going well with 9% last year!

Savage going tgere Kev

kevthegaff

Mooooo wrote: »

Well done great going, how long was breeding season?

25th april to end of July, I think cows arent particularly pushed here for yields and I'm feeding them better, also my aiing is better this year

Green&Red

kevthegaff wrote: »

Scanned today heifers and cows, under 5%empty, thought I was going well with 9% last year!

First timer here, under 4%, I'm guessing from the above thats good going

kevthegaff

Green&Red wrote: »

First timer here, under 4%, I'm guessing from the above thats good going

Great going, hearing high conception rates from.alot of lada. Maybe the dry early summer or lads are breeding for fertility more

cosatron

kevthegaff wrote: »

Great going, hearing high conception rates from.alot of lada. Maybe the dry early summer or lads are breeding for fertility more

Management of the herd is more important than breeding for fertility. we have some cows that go in calf every year on the first serve who according to icbf are negative for fertility. :rolleyes:

Green&Red

What should be the plan with the empties?

Mooooo

cosatron wrote: »

Management of the herd is more important than breeding for fertility. we have some cows that go in calf every year on the first serve who according to icbf are negative for fertility. :rolleyes:

They're in every herd. Age of herd is likely a factor as well, younger cow's can be more likely to go in calf.

Mooooo

Green&Red wrote: »

What should be the plan with the empties?

If you can carry them without feeding extra it may be as well to milk on till dry off and either sell in milk or dry off and sell or carry to spring and sell. If you are tight on grass sell now in milk, 500 to 750 could be the range roughly