Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Detritus70

I hope Trump runs again in 2024, but not as a republican, but as an independent.
He'd split the vote and hopefully hand Kamala Harris victory. And hopefully she will win again in 2028, after Obama, Biden and Harris Trump will be but a blip.
Only this absolute thrashing will convince the republicans to finally arrive* in the 21st century, though the 20th would already suffice.

*being dragged kicking and screaming

duploelabs

More salting the earth by the trump loyalists

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/22/iran-nuclear-deal-republicans-aim-to-block-biden-rejoining?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham urge Trump to submit Iran nuclear deal and Paris climate agreement to Senate to undercut future attempts to revive them

Capt'n Midnight

duploelabs wrote: »

More salting the earth by the trump loyalists

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/22/iran-nuclear-deal-republicans-aim-to-block-biden-rejoining?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham urge Trump to submit Iran nuclear deal and Paris climate agreement to Senate to undercut future attempts to revive them

and the petty stuff to be awkward

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-promoting-beautiful-federal-civic-architecture/

Trump wants all new federal buildings to be build in neo-classical style because he must hate wheelchair users or something

Overheal

VinLieger wrote: »

I have to say i am loving the reactions on places like r/conservative to the paltry $600 being doled out in the stimulus package, they all of a sudden are shocked the people they voted for that publicly talk about their hate for government welfare aren't helping them with government welfare.....

I wonder how they feel about Trump's veto threat and last-minute announcement that he wants the cheques to be $2,000. These are the same folks who derided the delta of -$9T over 8 years of the Obama tenure, have violent animus towards the trigger-word 'socialism,' and believe there is a war on Christmas, how will they handle Trump getting ready to Grinch tf out of this essentially, christmas-eve package. More importantly how do they reconcile supporting that with their believes on handing out other peoples money. :pac: pure gas ahead

Rjd2

Overheal wrote: »

I wonder how they feel about Trump's veto threat and last-minute announcement that he wants the cheques to be $2,000. These are the same folks who derided the delta of -$9T over 8 years of the Obama tenure, have violent animus towards the trigger-word 'socialism,' and believe there is a war on Christmas, how will they handle Trump getting ready to Grinch tf out of this essentially, christmas-eve package. More importantly how do they reconcile supporting that with their believes on handing out other peoples money. :pac: pure gas ahead

One of the reasons Trump won because he conned a lot of people into thinking he wasn't another Reganesque "muh balanced budget" cliche.

A lot of people were fed up of hearing about "free money" and want the government to help no matter their political leanings.

Obviously though Trump surrounded himself by hardcore libertarians and governed in a way that Regan etc would have approved.

The above bluster about wanting 2k cheques is bollocks, if somehow he forces it through then credit where its due it would be one of very few good things he will have done as president.

Chances are Mitch and disaster capitalists who call the shots will talk him very quickly out of it.

paul71

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/23/trump-pardons-blackwater-contractors-jailed-for-massacre-of-iraq-civilians


The cold blooded murderers of 17 people pardoned. Truly disgusting. At a time when he is accelerating judicial murders for people who killed fewer people.

beggars_bush

He's trying to embarrass the GOP into giving everyone $2000

I know a lad who worked on the J1 programme 2 summers ago and he got a cheque back in the first lockdown, delivered to Ireland! Still hasn't cashed it.

Cody montana

beggars_bush wrote: »

He's trying to embarrass the GOP into giving everyone $2000

I know a lad who worked on the J1 programme 2 summers ago and he got a cheque back in the first lockdown, delivered to Ireland! Still hasn't cashed it.

My neighbour was born in the USA and holds an American passport.
She hasn’t lived there in over 60 years.

She got 1200 dollars.

spacecoyote

I see that one White House staffer has had to suffer from a serious consequence from the appalling Covid approach there. I think it's one of the security chiefs. He's lost one of his feet and at least one toe on his other foot.

So while Trump gets the best and most advanced treatment possible, the people charged with looking after him get stuck with dealing with the fallout of his ego

Carfacemandog

VinLieger wrote: »

I have to say i am loving the reactions on places like r/conservative to the paltry $600 being doled out in the stimulus package, they all of a sudden are shocked the people they voted for that publicly talk about their hate for government welfare aren't helping them with government welfare.....

Well when you're as utterly entitled as the inhabitants of those welfare states and, and thinkit is your God given right to sickle off the teet of others states hard work and profitability, it can hardly come as a surprise.

They're white and conservative so don't see themselves as the welfare queens they virtue signal and complain about on Facebook. Yet welfare queens is exactly what they are.

Manic Moran

VinLieger wrote: »

I have to say i am loving the reactions on places like r/conservative to the paltry $600 being doled out in the stimulus package, they all of a sudden are shocked the people they voted for that publicly talk about their hate for government welfare aren't helping them with government welfare.....

It's not that which is riling them up, it's the omnibus bill as a whole (Lambasted by everyone from AOC to Ted Cruz for being 5,600 pages long and delivered to Congress to read two hours before the vote) which included not only the COVID relief act but also other government spending acts and the observation that considering the billions of dollars Congress managed to find this week for anything from cultural preservation in Tibet to gender issues in Pakistan, $600 apiece to most Americans indicates to them a questionable set of priorities. It's not helped by being aided by some demonstrably false postings such as a Congressional pay raise, which, in typical FB format, people aren't actually fact-checking before clicking "share" and "comment".

I'd also point out that there's a difference in conservative circles between the concept of sustained welfare, and government assistance in the case of changes in circumstance. Most conservatives I know believe that there should be some form of safety net for folks who are down on their luck to enable them to get back on their feet. People get laid off, hurricanes happen, etc. In other words, they distinguish between something short term which expires after an amount of time, and something which becomes a reliable source of income.

FatherTed

Overheal wrote: »

I wonder how they feel about Trump's veto threat and last-minute announcement that he wants the cheques to be $2,000. These are the same folks who derided the delta of -$9T over 8 years of the Obama tenure, have violent animus towards the trigger-word 'socialism,' and believe there is a war on Christmas, how will they handle Trump getting ready to Grinch tf out of this essentially, christmas-eve package. More importantly how do they reconcile supporting that with their believes on handing out other peoples money. :pac: pure gas ahead

Ironically, if he had done this in September/October he would have won the election....

pixelburp

paul71 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/23/trump-pardons-blackwater-contractors-jailed-for-massacre-of-iraq-civilians


The cold blooded murderers of 17 people pardoned. Truly disgusting. At a time when he is accelerating judicial murders for people who killed fewer people.

I get the pardons for political allies or loyalists, if only as a deeply cynical move but what is this serving? We're these four conservative poster boys, proof of liberal bias or something? Without checking I can imagine this will doubtlessly enrage Iraqis for a start. God who knows maybe he's just out to make the next guy's job harder...

Christy42

pixelburp wrote: »

I get the pardons for political allies or loyalists, if only as a deeply cynical move but what is this serving? We're these four conservative poster boys, proof of liberal bias or something? Without checking I can imagine this will doubtlessly enrage Iraqis for a start. God who knows maybe he's just out to make the next guy's job harder...

Isn't Devos' family involved in that particular mercenary group?

Gbear

Christy42 wrote: »

Isn't Devos' family involved in that particular mercenary group?

The mercenary company was Blackwater, run by professional sociopath Eric Prince, Betsy DeVos' brother.

Incidentally, he cheated on his wife who had terminal cancer, and tried to create a private air force.

aloyisious

Earlier today it was reported that Nancy Pelosi was pushing for the same $2000 cheque that Trump wanted as part of the deal. He's vetoed the bill as promised anyway because he wasn't happy with it's contents so that lets Nancy off any hook she might have put herself on. I'm wondering if she's actually played a blinder instead by splitting Trump from the GOP vote-endorsed bill as they gave it senate support. The two GOP senators running for re-election in Georgia may be in a pickle if they supported the bill as they also seem to be Trump supporters.

Alleged GOP speculation has it that the veto was in response to McConnell recognizing Biden as the winner and the decision of the GOP not to cede to Trumps wishes on the bill's contents.

Now the question is how long will it take for the over-ride vote to get the bills contents back on track [with maybe a $2000 cheque included] to help support those U.S citizens in urgent need of financial and roof-over-the-head necessity. Is the U.S Govt service actually in close proximity to a shut-down or is that a bargaining ploy in use by either party to get their preferred deal over the vote deadline?

Trump is now in reality a RINO President, completely split from the mainstream GOP politicians.

Headshot

How ****ing sickening are these latest Pardons from the Trump administration, it's so ****ing corrupt

FatherTed

They really have to do away with this Pardon lark.

abff

There are lots of powers that have been accorded to presidents in the expectation that they would be applied reasonably and with a modicum of thought and decency. Unfortunately, such concepts fly out the window when you are dealing with someone like Donald Trump.

Whether this will (or even should) lead to a root and branch reform of these powers remains to be seen.

dfx-

Headshot wrote: »

How ****ing sickening are these latest Pardons from the Trump administration, it's so ****ing corrupt

other than Manafort, there's only Stone so far who could nail him and neither have shown any interest in doing so.

When it gets to the stage of pre-emptive pardons for his family and administration that will be the height of it - appointees who knew what was going on or were in the room. It's unlikely he'll pardon Barr now though.

Trumps, Kushner, McEnany, Miller, Pompeo, Mnuchin..and they are coming, he's only getting started.

Kiith

Every significant defendant in the Mueller case who refused to cooperate has now been pardoned. Michael Cohen and Rick Gates, the two people who testified publicly, have not been pardoned. This is the most blatant corruption i think i've ever seen.

Itssoeasy

The latest pardons are worse than I expected even if it’s hardly unexpected that he’d do it.

StringerBell

I think they were fully expected, this is what he is, this is what the GOP have allowed to fester.

I think there will be more to come, but look **** his pardons, he has the power to do it and he will. It's the fact that he just refused to do anything on the relief bill, especially after his little statement on it, neither signed it nor vetod it. Just left to go golfing while the people of the country continue to suffer and struggle and starve.

The man is an absolute disgrace and confirms it every single day but it is so important to remember that he is not alone in this and when the time does come to point at him and talk about how he is the "other" that the rest of them don't deserve to be tarnished because of his actions they absolutely do. They have empowered him, they have encouraged him, they are as if not more disgusting than him.

They had the chance to remove the stain from office and they refused, they even joined in with his bull**** attempts to steal an election, law and order party my hole. He is punishing McConnell for not doing enough for him, that's trump in a nutshell. Nothing else matters, you annoyed me so **** you and burn it all down.

kowloon

I hope they can hunt some of these people down for something else. Those mercenaries in particular sound like they need to rot in a cell.

astrofool

kowloon wrote: »

I hope they can hunt some of these people down for something else. Those mercenaries in particular sound like they need to rot in a cell.

They will be special guests at the next GOP convention I'd imagine.

Overheal

astrofool wrote: »

They will be special guests at the next GOP convention I'd imagine.

Medal of freedom award next week no doubt

Cody montana

Remember when Obama wore a tan suit?
The outrage.

I think trump will go down as the worst president in American history.

hotmail.com

Cody montana wrote: »

Remember when Obama wore a tan suit?
The outrage.

I think trump will go down as the worst president in American history.

Surely Johnson and Nixon are worse in the last 50 years. The millions killed in Vietnam and Combodia surely outweigh any of the stuff Trump did. Not to mention all the dead Iraqis caused by George Bush.

pixelburp

hotmail.com wrote: »

Surely Johnson and Nixon are worse in the last 50 years. The millions killed in Vietnam and Combodia surely outweigh any of the stuff Trump did. Not to mention all the dead Iraqis caused by George Bush.

Depends on how you frame a bad head of state. Foreign intervention is rarely, openly perceived as a failure by any government, let alone an American one; but Trump has - and continues to try - undermined and de-legitimised the basic tenets of his own countries electoral system. He has been trying to steal the election but has lacked the cunning to make it happen. That's positively insidious at this point, and it's still unclear whether his continued attempts to sell 2020 as a stolen election will have consequences down the line.

hotmail.com

pixelburp wrote: »

Depends on how you frame a bad head of state. Foreign intervention is rarely, openly perceived as a failure by any government, let alone an American one; but Trump has - and continues to try - undermined and de-legitimised the basic tenets of his own countries electoral system. He has been trying to steal the election but has lacked the cunning to make it happen. That's positively insidious at this point, and it's still unclear whether his continued attempts to sell 2020 as a stolen election will have consequences down the line.

Part of the American problem is this lack of interest in the deaths of non Americans, non white people.

But as outsiders, we can see this is devastating. So that's why I would rank those presidents which caused so much death, as particularly awful.

As much as Trump is mad, there hasn't been anything done that is undemocratic as far as I can see. Taking court cases and talking rubbish on Twitter isn't undemocratic. I suppose I've never taken him seriously as others and don't get fussed about his tweets.