Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

Any idea how they go about executing the check?

No one know....except maybe one of Leo Leak Or Helen McAfee's team of highly paid advisors...
...Listened to the head of the GRA on the radio, they don't know how it's going to be enforced, at least they know no more than anyone else who reads the news...
... I don't think any Gard wants to risk their lives by going into the homes of potentially infected people to check up on them, ones who may have the S.Africa or Brazil variant, can't pay someone enough to do that!

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No one know....except maybe one of Leo Leak Or Helen McAfee's team of highly paid advisors...
...Listened to the head of the GRA on the radio, they don't know how it's going to be enforced, at least they know no more than anyone else who reads the news...
... I don't think any Gard wants to risk their lives by going into the homes of potentially infected people to check up on them, ones who may have the S.Africa or Brazil variant, can't pay someone enough to do that!

When there were tourists coming in it was easy.....they’d be after the people who were actually travelling around the county. Maybe they’d put a hotel address in their locator form and were no longer there. They’d have left locals alone other than the phone call.

But now they are trying to ensure that returning citizens self isolate and that involves getting them to answer the door of their house. And hard to prove that they’re not just asleep. Unless they stake out houses and watch for people going to the shop, and they don’t have the resources to do thousands of stakeouts!

saabsaab

Just drop a card in the door! Marked with a harp and in red.

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1354515802775547906

Malcomex

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1354515802775547906

Already too late with this

Have to act fast if you're going to act

The_Brood

I am honestly going to die laughing. The new measures amount to the gardai only having the power to give you a ring to see if you are abiding by the quarantine. Thats that.

This is surreal.

lawrencesummers

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1354515802775547906

That will be interesting reading for a lot of people here.


People have been calling for inbound testing for a long time now. NPHET has recommended it and other actions be taken, This government has completely dropped the ball in relation to travel.

jam_mac_jam

The_Brood wrote: »

I am honestly going to die laughing. The new measures amount to the gardai only having the power to give you a ring to see if you are abiding by the quarantine. Thats that.

This is surreal.

Yes and people will realise that soon enough and keep on travelling. Meanwhile half the country are not working.

All this is completely pointless if it's not enforced.

dartboardio

The_Brood wrote: »

I am honestly going to die laughing. The new measures amount to the gardai only having the power to give you a ring to see if you are abiding by the quarantine. Thats that.

This is surreal.

That is brilliant. :pac: Poor Ireland....

basill

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That will be interesting reading for a lot of people here.


People have been calling for inbound testing for a long time now. NPHET has recommended it and other actions be taken, This government has completely dropped the ball in relation to travel.

That figure of 10% is 10% of the people that were tested returned a positive result if I read the article correctly. Not 10% of each and every Brazilian that was on a flight inbound to Ireland. Tonight on RTE news the average positivity rate for Ireland is running at around 8-9%. Unless the entire group of travelers was tested I am not sure you can actually draw any meaningful conclusions other than the bleedin obvious which is the new variants are nastier. Damn lies and statistics they say.

theguzman

basill wrote: »

That figure of 10% is 10% of the people that were tested returned a positive result if I read the article correctly. Not 10% of each and every Brazilian that was on a flight inbound to Ireland. Tonight on RTE news the average positivity rate for Ireland is running at around 8-9%. Unless the entire group of travelers was tested I am not sure you can actually draw any meaningful conclusions other than the bleedin obvious which is the new variants are nastier. Damn lies and statistics they say.

But it is handy to blame an entire nationality when you make a mess of things here yourself. They had no problems with the Brazilians spending their life savings of English courses and a space in a bunk-bed for €500 per month to fatten up their FF crony landlords. No mention of all the Irish who came in over Christmas and the Irish minority Travelling Community who never wear a mask or behave like decent human beings.... blame the Brazilians, great going bravo to Micheal Martin.

Cosmo Kramer

Danno wrote: »

I'm sure there's a couple of unused hangars out back in DA. Throw down some of the mattresses from the county council collection schemes on the ground and lock the door. Three meals from KFC, Supermacs and McDonalds each day dropped inside.

Send over Zara King to interview them after seven days. Run said footage on RTE News Now on a 24hr loop. Message will get through that travelling outside the state or coming here is not worth it at all.

facts and only facts wrote: »

Loads of huff and Puff ....... about Airports and Ferry allowing in visitors etc and how to deal with it. First it is undeniable that it was this that got the virus into Ireland.
To ask for a negative test and then away you go to isolate on trust is not the answer. No consequences and to ask of the indigenous population to keep being restricted, while allowing any influx from god knows where is just nuts.
Suggestion.
Anybody arriving into Ireland from anywhere/coming home deposits €2,500 and is put into dedicated Isolation Hotels for 14 days that the traveler has to pay for. Then if they get ill their medical expenses are also paid for out of the deposit. If they are in contradiction of any laws regarding lock down they forfeit the deposit. That way most people should have no problem with people crossing the border. If potential travel heads think that these conditions are harsh maybe they should forget about traveling and being none accountable!

Some of the responses on this thread certainly don't reflect well on the Irish education system anyway.

saabsaab

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Some of the responses on this thread certainly don't reflect well on the Irish education system anyway.

What's your point?

Spanish Eyes

Fatigue, boredom, anger, frustration, and a bit of madness is setting in. Cool the jets folks, well the jets are not going far anyway by the looks of things lol.

froog

am i correct in saying our border control strategy right now is sending text messages to people urging them to take a test??

buried

theguzman wrote: »

But it is handy to blame an entire nationality when you make a mess of things here yourself. They had no problems with the Brazilians spending their life savings of English courses and a space in a bunk-bed for €500 per month to fatten up their FF crony landlords. No mention of all the Irish who came in over Christmas and the Irish minority Travelling Community who never wear a mask or behave like decent human beings.... blame the Brazilians, great going bravo to Micheal Martin.

I don't think anybody is blaming the Brazilian people for this situation. The blame is with our government who have totally relinquished responsibility for the well being of our population by allowing our international ports to be open to anybody to come from, or go to and come back from places thousands of kilometres away, places where new variants of the disease are in circulation or may be in circulation. Add to this, at the very same time the government have decided to make it a criminal offence for anyone here to go 5km from their own home.
This is a highly hypocritical and highly dangerous situation. And it is proof this current FF/FG regime have no clue as to what they are doing.

Lantern Jaw

froog wrote: »

am i correct in saying our border control strategy right now is sending text messages to people urging them to take a test??

Yes. A ****ing shambles.

Lantern Jaw

saabsaab wrote: »

Drop in a note saying to contact a number in the next 24 hrs!

Yeh give us a ring when you get in from work, no panic.

Dyr

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1354515802775547906

Sure what does it matter as long as meat is still getting packed?

Thanks be to god for Irish politics

theguzman

Bambi wrote: »

Sure what does it matter as long as meat is still getting packed?

Thanks be to god for Irish politics

The vast majority of Brazilians in Ireland do not work in meat packing, it is like saying all Polish are plumbers or all Nigerians are taxi drivers. I do agree the meat will still be packed because Larry Goodman won't lose out, I'm very sure the quarantine hotels that will be charging the €150 a night will be hand picked to ensure that FF crony hoteliers benefit the most, whilst the hotel down the street won't see a a paying customer for the next 12 months and the rooms will go damp and mouldy since it costs several thousand per week just to heat a hotel alone.

gozunda

dartboardio wrote: »

That is brilliant. :pac: Poor Ireland....

Is that laughing with or laughing at 'poor Ireland"

Sup08

froog wrote: »

am i correct in saying our border control strategy right now is sending text messages to people urging them to take a test??

Not heard this?

They must have taken a test before they arrive.. no test, no flight

dartboardio

gozunda wrote: »

Is that laughing with or laughing at 'poor Ireland"

I am not even sure to be honest. bit of both

ginoginelli

buried wrote: »

I don't think anybody is blaming the Brazilian people for this situation. The blame is with our government who have totally relinquished responsibility for the well being of our population by allowing our international ports to be open to anybody to come from, or go to and come back from places thousands of kilometres away, places where new variants of the disease are in circulation or may be in circulation. Add to this, at the very same time the government have decided to make it a criminal offence for anyone here to go 5km from their own home.
This is a highly hypocritical and highly dangerous situation. And it is proof this current FF/FG regime have no clue as to what they are doing.

I think they know full well what they are doing with regard to travel though. They are very deliberately and cold bloodedly leaving the borders open to suit their own agenda.

faceman

Anyone else suspicious that the travel restrictions are coming the same week the Boeing 737 max is approved for use in Irish airspace? :pac:

gozunda

faceman wrote: »

Anyone else suspicious that the travel restrictions are coming the same week the Boeing 737 max is approved for use in Irish airspace? :pac:

Erh no ...

Conspiracy forum Thataway =>

Away With The Fairies

This guy says it all
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3446841162111127&id=429010670560873

It's beyond me how they're happy with all this. Letting infection into the country and letting us suffer like this, not to mention the economy.

Happydays2020

Funny I thought that our high cases in recent weeks came from increased mixing in hospitality and private homes settings. Given that all these cases came from foreigners arriving, does it mean that we close the airport and can then just open up the whole country, pubs and all?

No - our cases did come from increased mixing and the measures taken to stay at home are clearly working. Blaming this on air travel right now is complete nonsense. The narrative around this is to get politicians and people off the hook for bad decisions and complacency.

Donald Trump

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Funny I thought that our high cases in recent weeks came from increased mixing in hospitality and private homes settings. Given that all these cases came from foreigners arriving, does it mean that we close the airport and can then just open up the whole country, pubs and all?

No - our cases did come from increased mixing and the measures taken to stay at home are clearly working. Blaming this on air travel right now is complete nonsense. The narrative around this is to get politicians and people off the hook for bad decisions and complacency.

It's not really that difficult to understand.


People traveling back brought it in, and then they gave it to people here and then it propagated through the community more quickly due to socialising.

lawrencesummers

Between Saturday 16th and Sunday 24th 19,320 people arrived into Dublin airport.

If you apply the numbers of positive tests coming from Brazilian travellers of almost one in ten testing positive than you have something in the order of 1932 people that are covid positive coming into Dublin airport in a period of 8 days.

Now that’s not proven, and it’s taking liberty with the figures.

But it’s also not disproven, or checked by the authorities to be a problem of that scale, so why don’t they actually go an check it. Set up mandatory testing of arrivals for a few days and see how big the problem is.

It’s also only arrivals into one airport, albeit our biggest but there are other ways of travelling into the country, and don’t forget that every single case of covid detected in Ireland can be traced back to travel, if you trace far enough.