FF/FG/Green Next Government

maestroamado

ednwireland wrote: »

suppose it was the only 3 parties that would get mange to get toogether form the numbers that the electorate threw at them.

seeing as the"left alliance" never really took off in terms of negotiation (and probably didnt have the numbers in reality)

lets hop they do something but i suspect its more of the same

We continually whinge but in reality we really like things as they have being for the last 50 years...

AdamD

Mules wrote: »

Normally I agree about personal responsibility but a lot of people haven't a clue about finance. That's why they have to be protected from dodgy lending practices. Sure the banks still don't pay tax on their earnings. They were exempted from it after the bailout. It's ridiculous. Banks need to be broken up and separated into deposit banks and investment banks. People can take whatever investment risks they want once it doesn't involve customer's savings.

So in the same post you're giving out about people not having a clue about finance, but also claiming the banks are exempt from tax on their earnings?

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

Eric Cartman

StackSteevens wrote: »

And they may well be bought off with the promise of Seanad nominations. If this deal fails, Ryan is dead meat.

they almost certainly will. That academic talking shop for life is their real aim. Its the only place they can continue to get paid to hold views at odds with moderate society and not fear ousting.

Cal4567

CrankyHaus wrote: »

According to the Irish Times a new "not-for-profit" model that will place the dignity of the individual at its centre.


Which could mean anything really, including business as usual with the owners of clapped out hotels simply registering as non-profits to stay on the gravy train.

I can see groups such as Focus Ireland or Dublin Simon managing housing for these groups, existing entities. It is not too dissimilar to what they are doing at present. It must mean one off independent housing, rather than hostel type accommodation.

Cal4567

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Seriously you need to read what happened in the crash......

Actually, the unregulated mess the two parties lorded over did make it a lot worse for us, compared to many other countries.

Edgware

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the worst part is, one of the best hopes for putting this shambles to bed is the extremists like saoirse mchugh and hazel chu's followers voting against it.

Saoirse McHugh
European Election. Lost
Dail election. Lost
Seanad election. Lost.
Looks like a loser to me. If Ryan puts her in to the Seanad he will be a bigger gob****e than I think he is

owlbethere

Eamon Ryan will have us licking our underwear clean to save on water and energy on washing them properly.

phobia2011

When do the measures in their draft get applied? Immediately ? Or does each need passing in dail

Shefwedfan

owlbethere wrote: »

Eamon Ryan will have us licking our underwear clean to save on water and energy on washing them properly.

Says it all.....

The_Conductor

Am I reading this right- carbon levy to be introduced on electricity- alongside the PSO- going forwards, initially at EUR46 per tonne of carbon, estimated to add roughly EUR230-240 per annum to domestic electricity bills?

Shefwedfan

Says we are going to connect to French grid.

Poor_old_gill

Edgware wrote: »

Saoirse McHugh
European Election. Lost
Dail election. Lost
Seanad election. Lost.
Looks like a loser to me. If Ryan puts her in to the Seanad he will be a bigger gob****e than I think he is

Saoirse McHugh is a hilariously crap politician. She’s a delusional fantasist who just throws out loon ball ideas in the hope that she will be seen as radical.

All she does is stop a credible Green Party from emerging

The_Conductor

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Says we are going to connect to French grid.

Thats been on the cards for the last 20 years- I think we made a formal proposal to the EU Commission for joint funding for the interconnect back last Sept/Oct. Its one way to introduce nuclear power to Ireland..........

StackSteevens

Sinn Féin will provide “the most effective opposition in the history of this State,” party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said.

Speaking after the emergence of the draft programme for government, she described the document as “very long, very wordy” and said the content was “vague.”

Presumably Mary Lou expected to see a detailed, five year programme for government that took over a hundred days to cobble together set out on a single page so she'd be able to understand it. The mind boggles!

blanch152

StackSteevens wrote: »

And they may well be bought off with the promise of Seanad nominations. If this deal fails, Ryan is dead meat.

Both Ryan and Martin are tied to this deal. If it goes down, who then for Green leader? I expect both of them to say they support the deal and let the best (wo)man win the leadership election.

That is where the focus of the members will be.

JimmyVik

StackSteevens wrote: »

Sinn Féin will provide “the most effective opposition in the history of this State,” party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said.

Speaking after the emergence of the draft programme for government, she described the document as “very long, very wordy” and said the content was “vague.”

Presumably Mary Lou expected to see a detailed, five year programme for government that took over a hundred days to cobble together set out on a single page so she'd be able to understand it. The mind boggles!

She doesnt understand much at the best of times. What does she expect?

StackSteevens

JimmyVik wrote: »

She doesnt understand much at the best of times. What does she expect?

She's probably waiting for the idiot's guide that the Greens will have to draw up and circulate to their members before the big vote.

Edgware

StackSteevens wrote: »

Sinn Féin will provide “the most effective opposition in the history of this State,” party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said.

Speaking after the emergence of the draft programme for government, she described the document as “very long, very wordy” and said the content was “vague.”

Presumably Mary Lou expected to see a detailed, five year programme for government that took over a hundred days to cobble together set out on a single page so she'd be able to understand it. The mind boggles!

Shouldn't she be preparing her address for the annual Sean Russell Commemoration while the statue is still standing. Of course what really hits her is that she could be five years roaring across the Dail and nobody paying a bit of heed to her

CosmicFool

Michael Martin as taoiseach so. If he was a spice he'd be flour.

phobia2011

Anyone any idea how it works? Their draft document with its changes, if they are agreed do all the measures get implemented overnight or does each item still need to be passed in the dail?

Podge_irl

phobia2011 wrote: »

Anyone any idea how it works? Their draft document with its changes, if they are agreed do all the measures get implemented overnight or does each item still need to be passed in the dail?

Yes, legislation still needs to be passed in the Dáil. It has about as much legal standing as a party manifesto.

landofthetree

Deal also provides that the 11 Taoiseach's nominees will go 4 to Fianna Fáil, 4 to Fine Gael, 2 to the Greens, and one independent agreed by the three party leaders. At least half of the party nominees will be women.


Party leaders will agree to the reform of the Departments of Government before the appointments are made - as expected, FG and FF get six cabinet seats each, with three for the Greens.


Source:
https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

The_Conductor

3 for the Greens is a bit disproportionate. Any idea who gets which portfolios?

thing about green agenda is that it's no-lose for the two big parties

popular- well thank you
unpopular- greens made us
either way- well most of it was inevitable

Eric Cartman

Patrick2010 wrote: »

The agreement involves abolishing direct provision but doesn't say what will replace it, providing houses and apartment to anyone claiming asylum?

see its such a long winded topic.

what should happen : close it and build an asylum centre on the grounds of the airport, 45 day process with an appeal of up to another 45 days, home or stay after that with home being the default if documents are delayed or theres any doubts.

what Ryan and co want to happen : release people into the community and hope they turn up to a meeting they'll never turn up to .

what will happen : another quango will be set up to do a report and design a new system, that quango will go on till after MM is no longer Taoiseach, its report will then come out proposing a solution thats acceptable to all 3 parties, except it'll cost billions more than were willing to spend , FF will be blamed for the report costing hundreds of millions but MM is done by then , FG will then have it moved to a constituency they never stood a chance of winning and the whole project will be watered down citing public backlash on the cost and we'll end up with basically direct provision, called something friendlier , condensed into one soft prison and the contract to manage it handed to Dennis o'b's actavo.

I'm actually going to save a Link to this post so I can come back to it in 5 years at the first foundation pouring of the 'meath east asylum care centre'

Mr. Karate

With Fail the Gaels continuing their ruinous policies and now the Greens taxing us to death Ireland is going to go the way of Venezuela where the people who can afford to leave are going to leave.

StackSteevens

Mr. Karate wrote: »

With Fail the Gaels continuing their ruinous policies and now the Greens taxing us to death Ireland is going to go the way of Venezuela where the people who can afford to leave are going to leave.

Not to worry, with the Direct provision centres all being closed down, they'll soon all be replaced by bona fide Asylum Seekers!

James Brown

By all accounts their plan is more of the same with lot's of nice vague areas for filling in on the go.
I would wish them well but their success is not tied to the tax payer's. I expect much the same of the last FF/FG government but with a few green yolks that will upset the farmers. Be nice to watch the junk yard dogs nipping at each other for the top jobs.
I hope nobody dies and we avoid a crash.

Shefwedfan

StackSteevens wrote: »

Sinn Féin will provide “the most effective opposition in the history of this State,” party leader Mary Lou McDonald has said.

Speaking after the emergence of the draft programme for government, she described the document as “very long, very wordy” and said the content was “vague.”

Presumably Mary Lou expected to see a detailed, five year programme for government that took over a hundred days to cobble together set out on a single page so she'd be able to understand it. The mind boggles!

Did she read the SF manifesto? Vague is the best description you could say on it, back of a fag box better description

Of course Mary Lou will be great in opposition, she is fully qualified hurler from the ditch. Time for everyone to invest in noise cancelling ear phones

I do think they should put in a 1 euro fine for everytime someone says the word “change”. Will generate a lot for charity :-)

Shefwedfan

Mr. Karate wrote: »

With Fail the Gaels continuing their ruinous policies and now the Greens taxing us to death Ireland is going to go the way of Venezuela where the people who can afford to leave are going to leave.

Just checking if you can afford to leave?