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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #272
    weldoninhio
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    joe40 wrote: »
    The second officer would have stopped him there were two of them.

    A taser has three shots. According to reports the second cop has used up his three shots.

    “It appears one of the officers fires their stun gun at Brooks three times as he runs away.”

    Thankfully the first cop had the wherewithal to prevent a full blown shootout.


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    #273
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    frag420 wrote: »
    How about the police don’t use weapons they are obviously incapable of using?

    The seemed more than capable in this situation. Dead criminal and minor hospitalisation for one of the officers. Jobs a gud un, as they say.


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    #274
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. Don’t aim a weapon at armed police. Righteous kill. The cop should currently be suing his PD.

    "Righteous kill" what a term. Not justified or necessary or appropriate, but Righteous.

    Sounds more like an ISIS term


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    #275
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    Danzy wrote: »
    Did he notify them it was non lethal. He played a grown up game and he lost.


    Surely the cop knew it was non-lethal as it was his taser??


    Would you be happy with a police force carrying weapons where they were unsure if they were lethal or not?


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    #276
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users Posts: 16,433 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    frag420 wrote: »
    If if if if....

    But he didn’t, he took an non lethal weapon and ran away. While running he attempted to aim a non lethal weapon at the officer. They did. It need to kill him.

    taser is lethal. didnt some ex footballer die from one?

    ETA: UK policeman charged with murder after Tasered ex-footballer dies


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    #277
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    frag420 wrote: »
    If if if if....

    But he didn’t, he took an non lethal weapon and ran away. While running he attempted to aim a non lethal weapon at the officer. They did. It need to kill him.

    Can we stop with the "Non lethal weapon"?

    It's not called a non lethal weapon, it's known as a less lethal weapon.


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    #278
    weldoninhio
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    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    taser is lethal. didnt some ex footballer die from one?

    Correct, Dalian Atkinson. Former Villa player


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    #279
    castletownman
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    Let's be honest, if this was a white guy that was killed for acting the pup with American cops, it wouldn't even make the news.

    Can't believe people are actually condemning the actions of the police again. He resisted arrest, stole a weapon (non-lethal or not, your not meant to interfere with police equipment) and made a run for it. They weren't heavy-handed until they absolutely needed to be.

    This is poles apart to the George Floyd incident, and had it happened prior to the Floyd murder, no-one would have batted an eyelid. That's the problem with today's media, always wanting to make a scandal.


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    #280
    frag420
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Watch the video

    I did. Strawberry Milkshake said he was not running away, if you watch the video the victim is clearly running away as he attempts to aim.

    If he turned to aim then he would be running backwards and would not have been shot in the back.


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    #281
    ExMachina1000
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    castletownman wrote: »
    Let's be honest, if this was a white guy that was killed for acting the pup with American cops, it wouldn't even make the news.

    Can't believe people are actually condemning the actions of the police again. He resisted arrest, stole a weapon (non-lethal or not, your not meant to interfere with police equipment) and made a run for it. They weren't heavy-handed until they absolutely needed to be.

    This is poles apart to the George Floyd incident, and had it happened prior to the Floyd murder, no-one would have batted an eyelid. That's the problem with today's media, always wanting to make a scandal.

    The Wendy's shop that this happened outside has been burnt to the ground. A police chief has also quit.

    If this is the future of law and order in America they are fooked .


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    #282
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    taser is lethal. didnt some ex footballer die from one?

    ETA: UK policeman charged with murder after Tasered ex-footballer dies

    It wasn’t just the taser that killed him.


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    #283
    Rodin
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    If BLM want to help their community, they should start with telling them not to resist arrest.


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    #284
    frag420
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The seemed more than capable in this situation. Dead criminal and minor hospitalisation for one of the officers. Jobs a gud un, as they say.

    capable yet two of them got overpowered by one man, lost a weapon to him...yeah very capable!

    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Can we stop with the "Non lethal weapon"?

    It's not called a non lethal weapon, it's known as a less lethal weapon.

    this weapon makes you slightly less dead than that weapon....


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    #285
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    castletownman wrote: »
    Let's be honest, if this was a white guy that was killed for acting the pup with American cops, it wouldn't even make the news.

    Can't believe people are actually condemning the actions of the police again. He resisted arrest, stole a weapon (non-lethal or not, your not meant to interfere with police equipment) and made a run for it. They weren't heavy-handed until they absolutely needed to be.

    This is poles apart to the George Floyd incident, and had it happened prior to the Floyd murder, no-one would have batted an eyelid. That's the problem with today's media, always wanting to make a scandal.



    By your own words he was shot for “acting the pup”.


    How does that sound?


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    #286
    y0ssar1an22
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    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    It wasn’t just the taser that killed him.

    begs the question, why the murder charge?

    i suppose you can argue it was a cardiac arrest that killed him, but that wouldn't have happened without the taser.


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    #287
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    It wasn’t just the taser that killed him.

    The taser caused him to have a heart attack. The cop who tasered him was charged with murder. If you have evidence it wasn’t just that, I’d suggest you notify Staffordshire police as Benjamin Monk is currently on remand for murder.


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    #288
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    begs the question, why the murder charge?

    i suppose you can argue it was a cardiac arrest that killed him, but that wouldn't have happened without the taser.

    There was also other force cited, and the victim was already severely ill. Completely different
    Tasers are non- lethal according to the police who use them.


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    #289
    walshb
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    Whole system will change now. Cops won’t want to or be able to do their job effectively anymore, because any time a person is injured or killed, people will point the finger at the cops all the time.


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    #290
    ElektroToad
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    castletownman wrote: »
    Let's be honest, if this was a white guy that was killed for acting the pup with American cops, it wouldn't even make the news.

    Can't believe people are actually condemning the actions of the police again. He resisted arrest, stole a weapon (non-lethal or not, your not meant to interfere with police equipment) and made a run for it. They weren't heavy-handed until they absolutely needed to be.

    This is poles apart to the George Floyd incident, and had it happened prior to the Floyd murder, no-one would have batted an eyelid. That's the problem with today's media, always wanting to make a scandal.

    Totally agree. I read the headlines and immediately thought "oh boy, not again", but once I saw the bodycam footage it's clear this was a completely different scenario.

    This is a tragic loss of life and it shouldn't have ended like this. But you have to look at the (very sudden!) escalation of events:

    - 1) Resist arrest
    - 2) Take a loaded taser from one of the officers
    - 3) Actually firing the taser at the officer (not sure if he hit him, but still, the intent was clear) while trying to flee.

    If he gave up at stages 1 or 2, the guy would very likely still be alive today...


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    #291
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Rodin wrote: »
    If BLM want to help their community, they should start with telling them not to resist arrest.


    Have you read about Breonna Taylor? She was asleep.


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    #292
    NotMOL
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭NotMOL


    All the people in this thread saying that the police should've not shooting him because the taser is non lethal don't live in the real world.

    Yes a taser is non lethal but it's designed to temporarily paralyses the body, which could allow a criminal to take the officers gun and do more harm to the officer.

    The suspect (Rayshard Brooks) has already shown the cops that he is a violent thug by stealing their weapon and aiming it at them, so you expect them trust him not to kill them?

    38 cops were shot and killed in the space of just 50 weeks, https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/07/us/2019-officers-killed-trnd/index.html


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    #293
    Figel Narage
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    NotMOL wrote: »
    All the people in this thread saying that the police should've not shooting him because the taser is non lethal don't live in the real world.

    Yes a taser is non lethal but it's designed to temporarily paralyses the body, which could allow a criminal to take the officers gun and do more harm to the officer.

    The suspect (Rayshard Brooks) has already shown the cops that he is a violent thug by stealing their weapon and aiming it at them so you then expect them to use the weapon on them?

    38 cops were shot and killed in the space of just 50 weeks, https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/07/us/2019-officers-killed-trnd/index.html

    As someone who has been tased, I don't think people appreciate what they can do to yo, especially the ones the police have. Not saying if it was justified or not but while it's not a lethal weapon, it completely incapacitates you


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    #294
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    NotMOL wrote: »
    All the people in this thread saying that the police should've not shooting him because the taser is non lethal don't live in the real world.

    Yes a taser is non lethal but it's designed to temporarily paralyses the body, which could allow a criminal to take the officers gun and do more harm to the officer.

    The suspect (Rayshard Brooks) has already shown the cops that he is a violent thug by stealing their weapon and aiming it at them, so you expect them trust him not to kill them?

    38 cops were shot and killed in the space of just 50 weeks, https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/07/us/2019-officers-killed-trnd/index.html

    What was he suspected off, being asleep with intent to snore?

    He was non violent up until the police decided to cuff him without prior warning as is due course in a non confrontational scenario such as this.

    Do you expect the victim to trust them not to kill him despite all that has been going on the last few weeks?


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    #295
    NotMOL
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭NotMOL


    Figel Narage wrote: »
    As someone who has been tased, I don't think people appreciate what they can do to yo, especially the ones the police have. Not saying if it was justified or not but while it's not a lethal weapon, it completely incapacitates you

    Like I said these people don't live in the real world. All they see is skin colour and want to make everything about race.

    They expect the cops to react like "Yes please Mr violent criminal steal my weapon and shoot me"


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    #296
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    NotMOL wrote: »
    Like I said these people don't live in the real world. All they see is skin colour and want to make everything about race.

    They expect the cops to react like "Yes please Mr violent criminal steal my weapon and shoot me"

    Do you think the person who called the cops would have called them if it was a white person asleep in the car or would they have maybe walked up and knocked on the window to see of they were ok?


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    #297
    lawrencesummers
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    walshb wrote: »
    Whole system will change now. Cops won’t want to or be able to do their job effectively anymore, because any time a person is injured or killed, people will point the finger at the cops all the time.

    I must have missed the part where the cops have consistently shown themselves to be exemplary in carrying out their duties.


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    #298
    lawrencesummers
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    frag420 wrote: »
    Do you think the person who called the cops would have called them if it was a white person asleep in the car or would they have maybe walked up and knocked on the window to see of they were ok?

    As much as race is a part of this if one likes it or not, you simply don’t know what happened there and the person who called the cops could just as easily been black or could have been following procedures, or both.


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    #299
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    NotMOL wrote: »
    All the people in this thread saying that the police should've not shooting him because the taser is non lethal don't live in the real world.

    Yes a taser is non lethal but it's designed to temporarily paralyses the body, which could allow a criminal to take the officers gun and do more harm to the officer.

    The suspect (Rayshard Brooks) has already shown the cops that he is a violent thug by stealing their weapon and aiming it at them, so you expect them trust him not to kill them?

    38 cops were shot and killed in the space of just 50 weeks, https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/07/us/2019-officers-killed-trnd/index.html



    Even people who don’t live in the real world can see that there are two cops, ain’t nobody paralysing two cops with one taser while running away drunk.


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    #300
    NotMOL
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭NotMOL


    frag420 wrote: »
    Do you think the person who called the cops would have called them if it was a white person asleep in the car or would they have maybe walked up and knocked on the window to see of they were ok?

    I'm pretty sure the Wendy's staff would've doing the same if it was a white person, you're also ignoring the fact that there is a good chance that the staff in that Wendy's who called the cops are black themselves.


    But at the end of the day you have no proof for your claim...all you're doing is making assumptions. But what we do have is video proof of the suspect being drunk in his car, then resisting arrest, stealing the officers weapon and then pointing it at them


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    #301
    frag420
    Registered Users Posts: 6,158 ✭✭✭frag420


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    As much as race is a part of this if one likes it or not, you simply don’t know what happened there and the person who called the cops could just as easily been black or could have been following procedures, or both.

    Agreed, we dont know all the facts yet there are people on this thread calling the victim a violent drunk with no proof other than what happened last night. They have made their minds up that Blackman bad / cop good!


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