The trashing of our parks and beaches

dundalkfc10

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Actually go out to rathfarnham, Rathmines etc and you won't see 1 bit of paper on the ground in any of the estates.

Think you should have a look at the following

https://fixmystreet.ie/reports/South+Dublin/Rathfarnham


Now stop lying!

Mrsmum

It's shocking how people can leave their rubbish behind them but I think it boils down to the fact, the next time they turn up, their rubbish has 'magically' disappeared. In a cruel to be kind kind of way, I actually think it should be just left there, especially now that it's ourselves alone and not tourists that will be seeing it. Let the culprits and they are in their hundreds come back and see the squalor piling up, smell the stinky smells, lay their rugs down in such conditions if they can bear it. When people see their lovely beaches and parks in such a state that they no longer enjoy being there, maybe only then will they 'get it'.

osarusan

Contorted attempts to turn this into a welfare thing are agony to read.

meeeeh

Biker79 wrote: »

You can also note from some of the photos posted via Twitter, that the type of trash being dumped is in many instances quite similar - coke, beer, pizza, cakes etc.

Trash food makes trashy people produce too much trash.

( and nappies )

That's definitely true. We have a moron driving down our road. They throw stuff out of the car on the same stretch of the road (where there are no houses). They drink Lucozade, eat fast food, sometimes treat themselves to red bull and smoke. I know because we are collecting the same rubbish for years after them.

Anyway it's not just teenagers. We had more families coming into local woods and there are plenty of little darlings who can't walk 3km without eating some rubbish and dropping the wrapper. Not that their parents are any better.

I actually think blaming teenagers is unfair. I never littered, neither did my friends. It's just filthy people and they're of all ages.

StackSteevens

Fann Linn wrote: »

No litter or anti social problems in Dublin 4 or 6 by your analysis so,

A rather strange claim to make, given that both postal districts have quite a few council estates in them (where do you think that Chris Andrews' votes came from?).

Mrsmum

meeeeh wrote: »

I actually think blaming teenagers is unfair. I never littered, neither did my friends. It's just filthy people and they're of all ages.

We have a very large green area outside my front door. A favourite getting together area for my own and other neighbours teenagers and their pals. (Not known for adults sitting around.)Unfortunately the amount of plastic bottles the teenagers leave behind is unreal. Mind you they leave all manner of clothes behind also.And these are very definitely the same well to do teenagers who will tell you all about the environment. I don't think they join the dots always.

StackSteevens

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I was in Blackrock (Dundalk) yesterday, A well off area, plenty of rubbish about. How do all them get big fancy houses for free?

Blackrock is very close to Dundalk and on sunny weekends it is infested by day trippers from the sink estates of Dundalk - as presumably, you are well aware.

You won't be too surprised to learn that not all of them bother to bring their litter home with them.

StackSteevens

Mrsmum wrote: »

We have a very large green area outside my front door. A favourite getting together area for my own and other neighbours teenagers and their pals. (Not known for adults sitting around.)Unfortunately the amount of plastic bottles the teenagers leave behind is unreal. Mind you they leave all manner of clothes behind also.And these are very definitely the same well to do teenagers who will tell you all about the environment. I don't think they join the dots always.

I suspect that many of them may have moved on from saving the planet (which was mainly about impessing their school pals) to "black lives matter".

dundalkfc10

StackSteevens wrote: »

Blackrock is very close to Dundalk and on sunny weekends it is infested by day trippers from the sink estates of Dundalk - as presumably, you are well aware.

You won't be too surprised to learn that not all of them bother to bring their litter home with them.

Sure arnt you better than anyone living in a council estate.

So any time litter is left, it must be people from coucnil estates in Dundalk leaving it there?

Would the people living in council houses in the Blackrock/Haggardstown area also never litter, just ones from Dundalk?

Edgware

Mrsmum wrote: »

We have a very large green area outside my front door. A favourite getting together area for my own and other neighbours teenagers and their pals. (Not known for adults sitting around.)Unfortunately the amount of plastic bottles the teenagers leave behind is unreal. Mind you they leave all manner of clothes behind also.And these are very definitely the same well to do teenagers who will tell you all about the environment. I don't think they join the dots always.

Did they leave behind their yellow jackets? That is so last year and as for Greta. Greta who?

Edgware

meeeeh wrote: »

That's definitely true. We have a moron driving down our road. They throw stuff out of the car on the same stretch of the road (where there are no houses). They drink Lucozade, eat fast food, sometimes treat themselves to red bull and smoke. I know because we are collecting the same rubbish for years after them.

Anyway it's not just teenagers. We had more families coming into local woods and there are plenty of little darlings who can't walk 3km without eating some rubbish and dropping the wrapper. Not that their parents are any better.

I actually think blaming teenagers is unfair. I never littered, neither did my friends. It's just filthy people and they're of all ages.

I blame the Spanish students Joe

Biker79

It's the same story each year. Once the good weather hits, the rubbish comes out.

It seems you cannot enjoy good weather without buckets of junk food, which I find bizarre. All you need in good weather is water and a ' nice to have ' is ice cream. That's it.

It'll be these same people tuning into fat people of Ireland hang your head in shame, or whatever that rte show is called.

This year has been worse as people have been cooped up for a few months.

If you can engineer a change in culture to facilitate social distancing, you can get people to clean up after themselves.

CrankyHaus

Mrsmum wrote: »

It's shocking how people can leave their rubbish behind them but I think it boils down to the fact, the next time they turn up, their rubbish has 'magically' disappeared. In a cruel to be kind kind of way, I actually think it should be just left there, especially now that it's ourselves alone and not tourists that will be seeing it. Let the culprits and they are in their hundreds come back and see the squalor piling up, smell the stinky smells, lay their rugs down in such conditions if they can bear it. When people see their lovely beaches and parks in such a state that they no longer enjoy being there, maybe only then will they 'get it'.

Unfortunately, people are more likely to litter if there is already litter in an area. That litter might bother you but the pigs who create it are perfectly content to roll in their own filth.

PhilOssophy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Actually go out to rathfarnham, Rathmines etc and you won't see 1 bit of paper on the ground in any of the estates.

Completely wrong, I live in one of these areas and have raised repeatedly the issue of rubbish being thrown on our street with local TD's. Responses ranged from
1. I will get it raised at the next council meeting (never heard back on the outcome)
2. We can't put a bin on the street because people will dump household waste in it
3. We will ask the council cleaners to change their schedule to clean it after the weekends
4. No response

Also, Belgrave Square in Rathmines at the weekend: https://twitter.com/BridMcGrath/status/1267163288787472384

Also to dis-prove the theory that it is only young people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=Ugkt8lgC-3w&feature=emb_title

So he could afford €30k+ for a 152 car somewhere between 2015 and 2016, and wouldn't pay €15 for a car load of rubbish but it was OK to go out to a bog and dump it.

Edgware

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Completely wrong, I live in one of these areas and have raised repeatedly the issue of rubbish being thrown on our street with local TD's. Responses ranged from
1. I will get it raised at the next council meeting (never heard back on the outcome)
2. We can't put a bin on the street because people will dump household waste in it
3. We will ask the council cleaners to change their schedule to clean it after the weekends
4. No response

Also, Belgrave Square in Rathmines at the weekend: https://twitter.com/BridMcGrath/status/1267163288787472384

Also to dis-prove the theory that it is only young people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=Ugkt8lgC-3w&feature=emb_title

So he could afford €30k+ for a 152 car somewhere between 2015 and 2016, and wouldn't pay €15 for a car load of rubbish but it was OK to go out to a bog and dump it.

And maybe the Council could empty the bins more regularly for the benefit of people who use them

PhilOssophy

Edgware wrote: »

And maybe the Council could empty the bins more regularly for the benefit of people who use them

Would it not be better and easier if everybody took their sh1te home with them? Or is that just beyond the intellect of Paddy? ("I'm not paying €5 for my bin to be lifted, I'll leave it here instead")

CrankyHaus

Edgware wrote: »

And maybe the Council could empty the bins more regularly for the benefit of people who use them

This is the point that a lot of the outrage misses. Most rubbish left in public areas on a sunny day is stacked beside the bins.
I'm not saying that's good enough but if the bins were available most people would use them.
It's not rocket science to have more regular bin emptying on a sunny June Bank holiday.
In fact some local authorities do have people augmenting rubbish collection in busy periods; in St Anne's park they have a guy going around giving groups big binliners and doing rounds to collect them from them later.

StackSteevens

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sure arnt you better than anyone living in a council estate.

Certainly not - but I'm better than the ones who dump their rubbish.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So any time litter is left, it must be people from coucnil estates in Dundalk leaving it there?

That goes without saying.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Would the people living in council houses in the Blackrock/Haggardstown area also never litter, just ones from Dundalk?

You tell me! After all, you're our omniscient Dundalk correspondent whereas I'm merely an occasional visitor to the 'rock where some of my siblings live. And, before you ask, yes I leave my rubbish behind me - all deposited in the family's Eco-Logical bins!

Incidentally, have you ever noticed the solar-powered bins along the seafront in the 'rock? If so, have you any idea what their purpose is?

meeeeh

Mrsmum wrote: »

We have a very large green area outside my front door. A favourite getting together area for my own and other neighbours teenagers and their pals. (Not known for adults sitting around.)Unfortunately the amount of plastic bottles the teenagers leave behind is unreal. Mind you they leave all manner of clothes behind also.And these are very definitely the same well to do teenagers who will tell you all about the environment. I don't think they join the dots always.

I should say that I don't think teenagers are exclusively at fault. But yes the teenagers brought up by filthy parents will be filthy themselves. They just congregate outside more than their parents.

PhilOssophy

CrankyHaus wrote: »

This is the point that a lot of the outrage misses. Most rubbish left in public areas on a sunny day is stacked beside the bins.
I'm not saying that's good enough but if the bins were available most people would use them.
It's not rocket science to have more regular bin emptying on a sunny June Bank holiday.
In fact some local authorities do have people augmenting rubbish collection in busy periods; in St Anne's park they have a guy going around giving groups big binliners and doing rounds to collect them from them later.

Why does it not go without saying if you bring it to the park you bring it home with you? Like it is in Australia, where they can even have communal BBQ's which are left spotless (I can only imagine the state they'd be left in here)

dundalkfc10

StackSteevens wrote: »

Certainly not - but I'm better than the ones who dump their rubbish.





That goes without saying.




You tell me! After all, you're our omniscient Dundalk correspondent whereas I'm merely an occasional visitor to the 'rock where some of my siblings live. And, before you ask, yes I leave my rubbish behind me - all deposited in the family's Eco-Logical bins!

Incidentally, have you ever noticed the solar-powered bins along the seafront in the 'rock? If so, have you any idea what their purpose is?

No point with this. You know people of all walks of life rubbish, Not just council estate folk.

I live on the Red Barns Road and have been in Blackrock every day this week.

Its locals rubbishing aswell as other people

StackSteevens

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I live on the Red Barns Road and have been in Blackrock every day this week.

You should have called in!

The sister badly needs her grass cut and I'm unable to travel as the Beamer is off the road.

dundalkfc10

StackSteevens wrote: »

You should have called in!

The sister badly needs her grass cut and I'm unable to travel as the Beamer is off the road.

Im going out with all my Dundalk council house mates to litter Blackrock, while every single local picks up rubbish all day

CrankyHaus

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Why does it not go without saying if you bring it to the park you bring it home with you? Like it is in Australia, where they can even have communal BBQ's which are left spotless (I can only imagine the state they'd be left in here)

So why have any public bins at all then? Just keep repeating the mantra that everyone bring everything home with them.
Or, put public resources into adequate bins and get less litter.

Nevin Parsnipp

Lemsiper wrote: »

In fairness what you haven't seen could probably fill the universe.

Never seen a rabbit or squirrel fücking anything other than a rabbit or a squirrel.

And in fact I've never seen a human fücking a bag of doritos, half full or otherwise.

Guess you never seen the site @doritobagporn.com ?

Nevin Parsnipp

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Would it not be better and easier if everybody took their sh1te home with them? Or is that just beyond the intellect of Paddy? ("I'm not paying €5 for my bin to be lifted, I'll leave it here instead")

Clean Headshot there my friend....Thuuuuuunk !

You is absolutely right......

PhilOssophy

CrankyHaus wrote: »

So why have any public bins at all then? Just keep repeating the mantra that everyone bring everything home with them.
Or, put public resources into adequate bins and get less litter.

If we put more bins in people would probably bring black sacks full of their domestic rubbish. The only thing people understand is "How much is this costing me", so the need for a deposit return scheme is of vital importance. You can expect a cleaner park (and probably 50 cans would fill any bin) if it is hitting people in the pocket.

But all we are hearing on here is "something other than myself is to blame". I suppose, personal responsibility is beyond a large majority of Irish people

meeeeh

We most certainly need more public bins. People wont bring cigarette buds or chewing gums home with them. At the same time paying for domestic refuse collection should be made mandatory and part of local property tax.

Granadino

Personal responsibility needed. Also, the amount of plastic waste is unreal. Until govts go ahead and ban plastic wrapping etc, rather than asking us to "cut down", then there'll be sh*t thrown everywhere.

CrankyHaus

meeeeh wrote: »

We most certainly need more public bins. People wont bring cigarette buds or chewing gums home with them. At the same time paying for domestic refuse collection should be made mandatory and part of local property tax.

The entire privatisation of waste disposal services here was a disgrace. Even Council savings by dispensing with bin collection were sometimes negated by, eg, the fact that DCC still needs to keep bin trucks running around places like Ballymun just to collect all the fly-tipped rubbish from the people who won't pay for bin collection.



Your suggestion is sensible, far too sensible to happen here in fact.

PhilOssophy wrote: »

If we put more bins in people would probably bring black sacks full of their domestic rubbish. The only thing people understand is "How much is this costing me", so the need for a deposit return scheme is of vital importance. You can expect a cleaner park (and probably 50 cans would fill any bin) if it is hitting people in the pocket.

But all we are hearing on here is "something other than myself is to blame". I suppose, personal responsibility is beyond a large majority of Irish people

Nobody's saying this. Clearly saying "bring your rubbish home" isn't preventing large amounts of littering so we're presenting workable proposals instead.


I agree about the deposit return scheme and the manner in which such a simple, proven solution has been blocked by vested interests here is an absolute scandal.


https://www.thejournal.ie/waste-reduction-bill-4301786-Oct2018/