Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Goldengirl

catrat12 wrote: »

Im a teacher I think we should be going back to school now trialling measured etc etc as come September it’s going to chaotic especially with new infants nobody will know what’s going on plus all the kids normally get sick round end of September into October

Would have been good to be doing 2 weeks end of June , really ? At least the older ones would know the story before the little ones start .

Goldengirl

Breezin wrote: »

I was listening to Liveline in the call just there. Usual collection of cranks sounding off about how 'disgusting' it was that people weren't wearing facemasks while shopping in Penneys.
I am all in favour of the shops opening, but my heart went out to one woman stuck at home with an increasingly frustrated adult daughter with special needs, and who said she gets zero support other than 'there might be something in September' and crap in the post with lists of suggestions to help her cope. As she said, it is disgraceful that the cash register comes first while people desperately in need of help are told to go whistle.
Seems to sum up the Irish lockdown perfectly.

I thought they were talking about getting special ed schools running for July ? Not happening?

Rodin

Goldengirl wrote: »

If you think that, in large groups like schools or shops , indoors, there will be no restrictions on distancing , into the future , you are dreaming .
A lot of teachers as well as other workers are vulnerable and entitled to protection. If not from the kids who have not been proven to be spreaders, from the other staff .
So not paranoia ..

Why are teachers vulnerable?

Idbatterim

Lads I think the worst thing for me about this virus , isn't the death , economic destruction, human cost etc.... its having to listen to the term social distancing relentlessly. Tahe the news for example, any event, anything that could have people at it , " with strict social distancing guidelines being adhered too" we know that, it's all we have heard about for months you insufferable b@stards !!! Jesus I need to start keeping a bucket beside me in case I throw up , many of these cynical and wont someone please thi k of the children adverts and news pieces that keep coming up , are insufferable!

I wish a tv station or radio station, wouldnt mention the ****. I'd say it would get a surge in listeners! So many are so far past caring about this bull**** virus any more

Rodin

catrat12 wrote: »

Im a teacher I think we should be going back to school now trialling measured etc etc as come September it’s going to chaotic especially with new infants nobody will know what’s going on plus all the kids normally get sick round end of September into October

Every opportunity to trial different measures should be welcomed.

Idbatterim

The politicians must live it in a way. It takes the focus away from them every news bulletin and the half hour run down on their incompetence!

polesheep

Goldengirl wrote: »

I said teens , if you read the post!
I also said children need supervision, again read the post.
So we do not disagree..

Ah, but we do. I have just returned from my local green. Teenagers horsing about, with boys wrestling and girls hugging. And the younger kids were oblivious to anything except the games they were playing. It was great to see.

acequion

road_high wrote: »

They can but just don’t expect to be paid for it. No one else gets paid if not working

Ah come off it road_high and don't start that bullshyt here! It's not often I find myself agreeing with some of the posters here with their over cautious approach but I'm glad to see them putting you in your place about teachers and schools.

As a teacher I can tell you I've never worked so hard. Pretty much all day every day after school closure as teaching online is waaaaaay harder and more time consuming than teaching in a classroom. And though normally finished by this time of year, I'm still at it as the LC calculated grades process is not finished yet.

But so be it, I'm happy to do what I can in these exceptional times. As for schools reopening, as somebody who advocates returning to normality as soon as is possible, I, for one, will have no problem at all in returning to the classroom in September and fervently hope that that will be the case.

GeorgeBailey

Benimar wrote: »

So teachers and staff can’t be worried about their own health? Can’t be concerned about interacting with elderly relations?

Just suck it up because they have ‘great time off’ or some BS like that?

What makes teachers different to doctors, nurses, dunnes staff and pennys staff? They have a wide variety of society in their workspace on a daily basis. Taking risks for the health of society and so we can all buy fresh jocks.

polesheep

Benimar wrote: »

So teachers and staff can’t be worried about their own health? Can’t be concerned about interacting with elderly relations?

Just suck it up because they have ‘great time off’ or some BS like that?

What about shop workers, nurses, doctors, electricians, bus drivers, etc? Are teachers exceptionally delicate?

Goldengirl

Rodin wrote: »

Why are teachers vulnerable?

Habitual non reading of posts by some.

A lot ...are..same as other workers...

Ginger n Lemon

Not good

Irish banks' provisions for bad loans biggest in Europe

Irish banks have set aside bigger buffers for potential loan losses due to the pandemic fallout than those in a swathe of European countries including the UK, France, Spain, Italy and Portugal.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/irish-banks-provisions-for-bad-loans-biggest-in-europe-39280058.html

Just highlights that we need to open up ASAP, stop this nonsense rubbish with child having 1 day of school per week (we are going backwards lol if this ever materialises) and get back on our feet. if we dont, we ll need to get our banks off our feet in addition... :mad:

Cork Boy 53

Idbatterim wrote: »

Lads I think the worst thing for me about this virus , isn't the death , economic destruction, human cost etc.... its having to listen to the term social distancing relentlessly. Tahe the news for example, any event, anything that could have people at it , " with strict social distancing guidelines being adhered too" we know that, it's all we have heard about for months you insufferable b@stards !!! Jesus I need to start keeping a bucket beside me in case I throw up , many of these cynical and wont someone please thi k of the children adverts and news pieces that keep coming up , are insufferable!

I wish a tv station or radio station, wouldnt mention the ****. I'd say it would get a surge in listeners! So many are so far past caring about this bull**** virus any more

Judging by the evidence many don`t know or more likely don`t want to know that and need to be constantly reminded of it. Also I believe there is soon going to be a widespread media campaign reinforcing the advice to wear face masks so best get your next typical "I`m outraged and deeply offended it`s a disgrace Joe" style post ready now before it begins.

polesheep

Goldengirl wrote: »

Habitual non reading of posts by some.

A lot ...are..same as other workers...

But other workers either never stopped working or have returned to work.

Benimar

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

What makes teachers different to doctors, nurses, dunnes staff and pennys staff? They have a wide variety of society in their workspace on a daily basis. Taking risks for the health of society and so we can all buy fresh jocks.

Retailers are working in an environment with 2m Social Distancing! Doctors and Nurses have PPE (won’t work for schools)

Teachers are more than happy to go back if SD regulations for them are the same as everyone else.

Goldengirl

polesheep wrote: »

Ah, but we do. I have just returned from my local green. Teenagers horsing about, with boys wrestling and girls hugging. And the younger kids were oblivious to anything except the games they were playing. It was great to see.

Ah well no responsible adults around then to encourage them ..don't blame them!

acequion

little bess wrote: »

I’m sure the desire is there and rightly so. Unfortunately, or fortunately hopefully, the reality of of covid and it’s effects on social distancing will play a part on the delivery of education.

Fingers crossed it all gets back to normal. My daughter is doing her LC next year so we do have an interest in how this is going to pan out. It makes sense that the jc exams would be put on back burner if covid is still prevalent, and lc would have precedence. No hysteria here, just conversation.

Yes I see your point. However what is being considered is a scaling back of CBAs and that's no harm at all as a lot of those are a waste of time, stressful on kids and box ticking exercises, regardless how they may be presented when dressed up in the media.

But there is absolutely no merit at this point in speculating on next year's JC state exams which we all hope will take place as normal, along with the LC.

Rodin

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

What makes teachers different to doctors, nurses, dunnes staff and pennys staff? They have a wide variety of society in their workspace on a daily basis. Taking risks for the health of society and so we can all buy fresh jocks.

Doctors and nurses get less than half the annual leave of teachers, are on duty nights and weekends and couldn't hide at home during the crisis.

Benimar

polesheep wrote: »

What about shop workers, nurses, doctors, electricians, bus drivers, etc? Are teachers exceptionally delicate?

2 metres lads, 2 metres! Add in screens, PPE etc.

Teachers only want the same protections, no more.

Rodin

Benimar wrote: »

2 metres lads, 2 metres! Add in screens, PPE etc.

Teachers only want the same protections, no more.

They're not at the same risk as healthcare staff and by September that risk will be negligible.

polesheep

Benimar wrote: »

Retailers are working in an environment with 2m Social Distancing! Doctors and Nurses have PPE (won’t work for schools)

Teachers are more than happy to go back if SD regulations for them are the same as everyone else.

No end of posts complaining that shoppers and shop staff are not maintaining 2m social distance yet you now say that they are. Which is it?

Nurses wear PPE when working with Covid-19 patients or in high risk areas, other than that they don't. As I already asked, are teachers especially delicate?

little bess

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

What makes teachers different to doctors, nurses, dunnes staff and pennys staff? They have a wide variety of society in their workspace on a daily basis. Taking risks for the health of society and so we can all buy fresh jocks.

Teachers and snas at primary level would certainly have to be in close proximity to students to help with work a lot of the time. Retail staff don’t and healthcare staff wear PPE.

Realistically is ppe for teaching staff a possibility? Same for crèche staff? They do deserve some sort of protection in work.

NotMOL

I was in the city yesterday and I noticed that all the Centras, Spars etc are allowing people to sit inside and eat their food. I even saw 2 guards sitting down with a sambo and coffee in the Spar on George st.

I stopped in Spar myself to have a cake and coffee, it felt like I was human again and not some diseased creature.

GeorgeBailey

Benimar wrote: »

2 metres lads, 2 metres! Add in screens, PPE etc.

Teachers only want the same protections, no more.

Kids are asymptomatic if they get it. Asymptomatic spread is negligible. I'd sooner be in a room full of kids in a school with no ppe than be in a hospital around sick adults with ppe.

Goldengirl

polesheep wrote: »

But other workers either never stopped working or have returned to work.

Those that never stopped have protections in the form of queues , appointments, social distancing , and PPE ...none are appropriate except distancing for schools

Healthcare workers despite all of the above are getting infected.

More contacts = more risk , if virus still in community , and none of us know whether it will be or not , at this stage .

polesheep

little bess wrote: »

Teachers and sna’s at primary level would certainly have to be in close proximity to students to help with work a lot of the time. Retail staff don’t and healthcare staff wear PPE.

Realistically is ppe for teaching staff a possibility? Same for crèche staff? They do deserve some sort of protection in work.

Healthcare staff don't routinely wear PPE. Teachers can wear masks.

JP Liz V1

hmmm wrote: »

https://www.foxnews.com/us/houston-stay-at-home-orders-coronavirus-spike

Houston considering re-imposing stay-at-home orders as cases start to rise again.

Houston we have a problem

I hope we see no spike rise 2nd wave here

Goldengirl

polesheep wrote: »

Healthcare staff don't routinely wear PPE. Teachers can wear masks.

I think you don't know what you are talking about there .

polesheep

Goldengirl wrote: »

Those that never stopped have protections in the form of queues , appointments, social distancing , and PPE ...none are appropriate except distancing for schools

Healthcare workers despite all of the above are getting infected.

More contacts = more risk , if virus still in community , and none of us know whether it will be or not , at this stage .

Look around you, most workers are getting on with their work without worrying about social distancing. And still the numbers are dropping.

polesheep

Goldengirl wrote: »

I think you don't know what you are talking about there .

I can assure you I do.