George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

walshb

JJayoo wrote: »

Wonder will many of the looters vote in November?

Some crazy videos doing the rounds, a combination of organised gangs,opportunitistic teens and people who just want to smash sh1t.

It’s utterly vile to see.

growleaves

If you want a break down of the statics and an actual black person's POV, check this thread:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...285188096.html

Very interesting.

Overheal

growleaves wrote: »

I don't understand. Who are the Portland basement bros?

tldr Antifa thread, people making Antifa out to be a terrorist organization, often referencing an Antifa page in Portland, Oregon.

It's become a catchall term that people want to vilify. It's only a degree or so removed from saying Socialism is a terrorist organization.

Odhinn

walshb wrote: »

They had their chance. Scum element ruined it...

So no, that right should now be removed until all calm is restored. Too much damage has already been done.

People pushing to prolong it is the problem..

Sorry, but they don 't lose the right to protest because of a minority element.

Foxtrol

walshb wrote: »

I despise everything Trump is and stands for..

You can be pro law and order and democracy without being pro Trump..

You can be pro law and order without believing that the police can do what they want and all responsibility is on everyone else

2u2me

Foxtrol wrote: »

The harmony of police shooting you in your bed and your kid playing in the park and them walking free?

That's the hyperbole I was talking about earlier. This kind of hyperbole stoking these riots, without an end in sight. The kind of hyperbole you probably heard on CNN.

walshb

Foxtrol wrote: »

The harmony of police shooting you in your bed and your kid playing in the park and them walking free?

What’s with this bed shooting?

Over 1000 deaths by cops last year in the U.S.

They have 340 million people......

You picking out a death here and there. What about it in the overall scheme of things?

Overheal

JJayoo wrote: »

It's ridiculous that protesters are defying reasonable curfews.

They can organise protests everyday but once it starts getting dark there should be a curfew so that the minority of looters can be stopped.

They can stop the looters regardless.

Los Angeles County copped on to the fact that the curfew does more harm than good - thug officers were using it as a 'crossed line' excuse to start teargassing and brutalizing people doing sweet **** all but kneeling and exercising free speech. So, LA County has revoked all of its curfews, and demonstrators will be allowed to peacefully demonstrate day or night without fear of being sent to the Jackie Robinson internment camp.

walshb

Foxtrol wrote: »

You can be pro law and order without believing that the police can do what they want and all responsibility is on everyone else

But I never said cops can do what they like. Never.

joe40

walshb wrote: »

Not directly.

But they are not calling for protesters to go home and let their communities recover and let calm and harmony return.

They know damn well that mob violence is happening no matter how much people are trying to be peaceful..

So, by not calling the protests to end, they are indirectly allowing violence to occur.

"Let calm and harmony return" calm and harmony is the long term goal.

If the police behaved properly with the peaceful protestors they may have more resources to deal with the looters.
Driving police vehicles through a crowd in NY is just one example.
The stabbing incident is despicable, the looting is awful I agree with all of that. But the anger that seems to be present among millions of Americans not just black people will be expressed. How else will change occur.

You mentioned writing letters in a previous post. I really don't think that will have much impact.

America has a long history of race relared civil disturbance from The 60s to LA 1992 and more recent times.
These are destined to continue until reform occurs. Shouting about personal responsibility just won't be enough.
The rampant inequality needs to be tackled, lack of education and health-care need to be tackled. Crime needs to be tackled. A militarised police force won't work. America is not a totalitarian police state, not yet anyway.

Foxtrol

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Black on Black crime is real and is borne out by all of the data and statistics, to say other wise is straight up lying. At the root of your thinking is the belief that Black people are not accountable for their actions or choices, are not capable of living their own lives responsibly and are more like children whom the white progressives are here to save.

Are you saying that their community cant be concerned about two things at once?

RWCNT

walshb wrote: »

I despise everything Trump is and stands for..

You can be pro law and order and democracy without being pro Trump..

You can't be pro democracy and say stuff like this though:

walshb wrote: »

They had their chance. Scum element ruined it...

So no, that right should now be removed until all calm is restored. Too much damage has already been done.

People pushing to prolong it is the problem..

Foxtrol

2u2me wrote: »

That's the hyperbole I was talking about earlier. This kind of hyperbole stoking these riots, without an end in sight. The kind of hyperbole you probably heard on CNN.

You were talking about loving 'facts' early.

Those are 'facts', they are events that occurred and will happen again unless changes are made

Timberrrrrrrr

walshb wrote: »

What’s with this bed shooting?

Over 1000 deaths by cops last year in the U.S.

They have 340 million people......

You picking out a death here and there. What about it in the overall scheme of things?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1205651

A woman was shot and killed in her Louisville, Kentucky, home by police executing a "botched" search warrant who forced their way in, surprising the woman and her boyfriend who thought the officers were burglars, her family says in a lawsuit.

Taylor, 26, was shot eight times by police. Kenneth Walker, 27, was arrested and charged with assault and attempted murder on a police officer. An attorney for Walker could not immediately be reached.

Yes you read that correctly, they then charged her boyfriend with attempted murder of a police officer!

walshb

RWCNT wrote: »

You can't be pro democracy and say stuff like this though:

Democracy doesn’t mean a free for all that can lead to a break down in society..

Sometimes people have to control people..

JL555

Carfacemandog wrote: »

I think he should look to find ways to unify rather than divide as she did, don't you?

That country has always been divided, always has been and always will, ideology wars are what keeps them going and the media are making a killing out of it, all the sheeple are feasting on it and the lazy way out is to blame someone like Trump.

Trump, Obama, Clinton, whatever president is in the WH, there have always been divisions there. This is nothing new. It's a most extreme place of the haves and the have nots

Trump can't unify the country, because he doesn't know how, if he did we would already see evidence of it. But mark my words, future presidents will have the same type of issues.

BluePlanet

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I read about that earlier, talk of some kind of extremist attack? Although that article mentions a Rambo Style hunting knife, I think this is the knife:

https://twitter.com/MylesMill/status/1268462056988123136

Maybe separate incident.

22 shots though! What is going on!?

Rambo?
That's a ordinary kitchen knife

one world order

All this looting and righting will turn people to the party of law and order the longer it goes on.

Foxtrol

walshb wrote: »

What’s with this bed shooting?

Over 1000 deaths by cops last year in the U.S.

They have 340 million people......

You picking out a death here and there. What about it in the overall scheme of things?

Breonna Taylor

It isn't just deaths, there are study upon study that show minorities are disproportionately harassed by police.

How do you get into a discussion without doing a small bit of research?

JL555

walshb wrote: »

I despise everything Trump is and stands for..

You can be pro law and order and democracy without being pro Trump..

Surely not everything?

hetuzozaho

BluePlanet wrote: »

Rambo?
That's a ordinary kitchen knife

Yeah, it sounds like a crazy scene and a lot of facts up in the air at the moment but they have the body cams so I'm sure all will be revealed. Talk of the accused having the police officers gun etc. Guns are just a disaster over there IMO. 22 shots fired, could you imagine living nearby :pac: Not sure I'd pop down to the 24hr shop as often!

Clarence Boddiker

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Replace 'anti semites' with whatever term you wish, whenever I read posts like the one you quoted it becomes more and more clear how well some here would have fit in in the 1930s and 1940s.

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

- Jean-Paul Sartre

https://twitter.com/SilasCarceras7/status/1268374077623894017

joe40

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1205651



Yes you read that correctly, they then charged her boyfriend with attempted murder of a police officer!

He was actually talking to 911 operator about intruders in his house. The intruders were actually the police.

Foxtrol

walshb wrote: »

But I never said cops can do what they like. Never.

What line do you draw then?

You've already said you're ok with them roughing up protesters.

If you go by broken window policies that pro law and order types love, there should be no threshold of what is acceptable. Different rules for the cops though, I presume

Odhinn

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SilasCarceras7/status/1268374077623894017

why is there a problem with a jewish man "being in charge"?

walshb

Foxtrol wrote: »

What line do you draw then?

You've already said you're ok with them roughing up protesters.

If you go by broken window policies that pro law and order types love, there should be no threshold of what is acceptable. Different rules for the cops though, I presume

Reasonable force and more depending on the situation. It’s simple..

Do they always get it right? Of course not. It can never be a perfect system..

Clarence Boddiker

Odhinn wrote: »

why is there a problem with a jewish man "being in charge"?

Read a little Malcolm X and you'll find out.

hetuzozaho

walshb wrote: »

Reasonable force and more depending on the situation. It’s simple..

That just seems problematic

Overheal

walshb wrote: »

Reasonable force and more depending on the situation. It’s simple..

Do they always get it right? Of course not. It can never be a perfect system..

...but it has to be a perfect protest :rolleyes:

walshb

Overheal wrote: »

...but it has to be a perfect protest :rolleyes:

Am I off ignore, so?