Farage highlighting illegal migration chaos

Wanderer78

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If I tried to illegally invade their country and bring an ideology that was dangerous to the natives/majority of that country , sure.

the biggest reason Im opposed to them coming is the safety of our country. As an ideology islam is, I believe, the largest ideological threat to the western world at this time.

America is probably the most serious threat to the world, particularly the Republican party and his orangeness

Eric Cartman

[QUOTE=Wanderer78;114264839]America is probably the most serious threat to the world, particularly the Republican party and his orangeness[/QUOTE]

Thats really telling of an almost inarguably distorted view of the world.

Wanderer78

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats really telling of an almost inarguably distorted view of the world.

Disagree there, comes really from chomskys work, and I think he's spot on, rouge state! Are you the one with the distorted view of the world?

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If I tried to illegally invade their country and bring an ideology that was dangerous to the natives/majority of that country , sure.

the biggest reason Im opposed to them coming is the safety of our country. As an ideology islam is, I believe, the largest ideological threat to the western world at this time.

Rampant capitalism and its impact on the environment and widening gap between the haves and the have nots is many times a greater threat than any religion.

Chips Lovell

Eric Cartman wrote: »

do like the US coast guard used to do to Cubans, line an ship in the water with a Gatling gun on it. Its harsh but send a few dinghies to the bottom of the ocean and they'll stop.
giant signs on every beach in France 'try and go to the UK, chances are you're getting shot out of the water'

Putting aside the not inconsiderable moral and legal issues this raises, this is a complete non-runner from a purely political perspective. No British government is going to do this.

While it would please a minority who would take sadistic glee in this kind of thing, gunning down unarmed civilians would outrage a far greater proportion of the electorate.

One of the main reasons boats are being escorted to the shore is not out of any desire to welcome these people on the part of the British government, but out of a desire to avoid the bad PR of sunbathers in Kent having to witness drowned migrants wash up on shore. Having bullet-riddled bodies wash up instead, isn't going to improve the situation.

kenmm

Chips Lovell wrote: »

While it would please a minority who would take sadistic glee in this kind of thing, gunning down unarmed civilians would outrage a far greater proportion of the electorate.

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I fear it's a growing minority, and the sensationalism and frenzied thinking that has been show in this thread will grow until we get to the point where some of these 'harsh' measures become perfectly acceptable.

Bonniedog

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Disagree there, comes really from chomskys work, and I think he's spot on, rouge state! Are you the one with the distorted view of the world?

Would this be the same Noam Chiomsky who claimed that the "imperialists" made up the story about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If I tried to illegally invade their country and bring an ideology that was dangerous to the natives/majority of that country , sure.

the biggest reason Im opposed to them coming is the safety of our country. As an ideology islam is, I believe, the largest ideological threat to the western world at this time.

I would say you're pushing a pretty dangerous ideology when you're arguing for largescale slaughter of refugees.

Bonniedog

Bonniedog wrote: »

Would this be the same Noam Chiomsky who claimed that the "imperialists" made up the story about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?

A thorough bastardisation of history.

ohnonotgmail

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Putting aside the not inconsiderable moral and legal issues this raises, this is a complete non-runner from a purely political perspective. No British government is going to do this.

While it would please a minority who would take sadistic glee in this kind of thing, gunning down unarmed civilians would outrage a far greater proportion of the electorate.

One of the main reasons boats are being escorted to the shore is not out of any desire to welcome these people on the part of the British government, but out of a desire to avoid the bad PR of sunbathers in Kent having to witness drowned migrants wash up on shore. Having bullet-riddled bodies wash up instead, isn't going to improve the situation.

they escort the boats to shore because they have a legal obligation to do so

Bonniedog

Deleted User wrote: »

A thorough bastardisation of history.

what is?

Chomsky co-wrote a piece for Atlantic in 1977 referring to "alleged" atrocities.

Following that, Chomsky implied that people who had escaped were lying about what was happening, and accused another reporter of aiding "counter-revolutionary propagandists."

Do Holocaust deniers get treated as credible sources?

Wanderer78

Bonniedog wrote: »

Would this be the same Noam Chiomsky who claimed that the "imperialists" made up the story about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?

No, a completely different noam chomsky

Wanderer78

Bonniedog wrote: »

what is?

Chomsky co-wrote a piece for Atlantic in 1977 referring to "alleged" atrocities.

Following that, Chomsky implied that people who had escaped were lying about what was happening, and accused another reporter of aiding "counter-revolutionary propagandists."

Do Holocaust deniers get treated as credible sources?

Chomsky, a holocaust denier?

Bonniedog

Bonniedog wrote: »

what is?

Chomsky co-wrote a piece for Atlantic in 1977 referring to "alleged" atrocities.

Following that, Chomsky implied that people who had escaped were lying about what was happening, and accused another reporter of aiding "counter-revolutionary propagandists."

Do Holocaust deniers get treated as credible sources?

Chomsky wanted members of the Khmer Rouge to stand trial.

If something didn't happen, why would he want them to stand trial?

AbdulAbhaile

Eric Cartman wrote: »

To be honest, if those are my only choices, yeah...

id prefer them to be back in their own country / looked after by their own culture, but you hand me they come here or murder and I'm not picking come here.

Murder the people who you don't like/understand, or whose behaviour you don't like?

How very isis of you.

Wanderer78

AbdulAbhaile wrote: »

Murder the people who you don't like/understand, or whose behaviour you don't like?

How very isis of you.

Different people are scary you know, they think and do stuff differently, it's best we take them out, as they're clearly a threat to our existance, with their differences

kenmm

With all respect to Cartmans views, I think it's fair to say they generally represent a more extreme stance on many issues.

Wanderer78

kenmm wrote: »

With all respect to Cartmans views, I think it's fair to say they generally represent a more extreme stance on many issues.

Yup, extremely stupid and ignorant stance

Wanderer78

kenmm wrote: »

With all respect to Cartmans views, I think it's fair to say they generally represent a more extreme stance on many issues.

Yup, extremely stupid and ignorant stance

kenmm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yup, extremely stupid and ignorant stance

That's for the reader to decide. I don't necessarily agree with them, but it's his or her right to have them.

It becomes dangerous if many people start thinking in extreme terms.

Eric Cartman

I was given 2 choices. Id rather sink boats than ruin europe, ive admitted its extreme and not ideal but an effective solution to keep these people out of Europe is needed and as Ive repeatedly said, nobody seems to have one.

Bonniedog

Why did he support them and deny what the KR were doing?

You not wanting this ti be true does not make it not true.

I'd imagine this is findable somewhere on the interweb.

ohnonotgmail

you know the world has gone to **** when you have people describing murder as "not ideal" with a straight face.

kenmm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

nobody seems to have one.

Complex problems, as much as we try, cannot be solved with simple solutions.

It takes massive amounts of coordination, from many nations, to solve complex problems such as this.

And by solve I man in a way that is satisfactory to the majority. Currently your solution isn't.

Wanderer78

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I was given 2 choices. Id rather sink boats than ruin europe, ive admitted its extreme and not ideal but an effective solution to keep these people out of Europe is needed and as Ive repeatedly said, nobody seems to have one.

Europe is doing a fine job of ruining itself, even if you 'excluded' the scary foreigners, this would continue

Wanderer78

Bonniedog wrote: »

Why did he support them and deny what the KR were doing?

You not wanting this ti be true does not make it not true.

I'd imagine this is findable somewhere on the interweb.

Yea, probably on some bullsh1t site

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I was given 2 choices. Id rather sink boats than ruin europe, ive admitted its extreme and not ideal but an effective solution to keep these people out of Europe is needed and as Ive repeatedly said, nobody seems to have one.

It's the solution of a complete lunatic and ironically completely opposed to Western values.

kenmm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's the solution of a complete lunatic and ironically completely opposed to Western values.

For now, but if we keep telling people to be afraid of the bogeyman, eventually enough people will buy it.

The internet seems to be a great enabler of this (spreading of fear and extreme views).

biko

Could UK do something similar to Australia?
They turned back 33 boats and I think the last boat reported to be turned around was in August 2019.

kenmm

biko wrote: »

Could UK do something similar to Australia?
They turned back 33 boats and I think the last boat reported to be turned around was in August 2019.

Not legally at the moment.

Also - wonder what would happen is they started heading North West :pac:?