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Farage highlighting illegal migration chaos

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    #512
    biko
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    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-military-asked-stem-channel-migrant-crossings-72252758

    Britain’s military says it has been asked by the government to help prevent people from trying to reach the U.K. from France in small boats


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    #513
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    How?
    I can't see a way.
    Put the dinghies back in French territorial waters, they'll just head to the UK again.
    Put the people on a ferry/aeroplane back to France might work once. By day 2 France will be insisting on passengers manifests from the airlines/ferry companies.
    Literally dropping them back (i.e. landing British navy boats in French beaches and dropping people off) would be close to WW3.

    Genuinely struggling to see a solution here for a Brexit Britain. France has little or no obligation to help the non-EU UK on this issue.
    It's actually quite funny in ways.

    do like the US coast guard used to do to Cubans, line an ship in the water with a Gatling gun on it. Its harsh but send a few dinghies to the bottom of the ocean and they'll stop.
    giant signs on every beach in France 'try and go to the UK, chances are you're getting shot out of the water'


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    #514
    Angel Millions Bather
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    do like the US coast guard used to do to Cubans, line an ship in the water with a Gatling gun on it. Its harsh but send a few dinghies to the bottom of the ocean and they'll stop.
    giant signs on every beach in France 'try and go to the UK, chances are you're getting shot out of the water'

    Death.

    Terrific solution.

    "Harsh"... it's murderous.


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    #515
    Eric Cartman
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Death.

    Terrific solution.

    "Harsh"... it's murderous.

    what other solution keeps them out of the UK. My solution is awful but its magnitudes better than allowing them in.


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    #516
    TomTomTim
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    It seems that English are just as much of a joke as we are when it comes to our immigration processing.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #517
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    do like the US coast guard used to do to Cubans, line an ship in the water with a Gatling gun on it. Its harsh but send a few dinghies to the bottom of the ocean and they'll stop.
    giant signs on every beach in France 'try and go to the UK, chances are you're getting shot out of the water'

    I'm not sure even the US coast guard go as far as to purposely sink Cuban immigrants. Huge Cuban population in Florida surely wouldn't stand for that.

    To be honest your plan wouldn't work in the UK, there's a fundamental decency amongst the population - absolute uproar if their navy purposely killed non-combatants.
    I doubt the navy would follow that order anyway - you'd basically be a certainty to be up for murder somewhere down the line.


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    Nermal
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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Genuinely struggling to see a solution here for a Brexit Britain. France has little or no obligation to help the non-EU UK on this issue.
    It's actually quite funny in ways.

    The Australian solution, permanent offshore detention.

    Just requires manners to be put on domestic judges, to prevent them frustrating it.

    Brexit enables it. Far easier to constrain judges at home compared to those embedded in the EU.


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    #519
    kenmm
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Death.

    Terrific solution.

    "Harsh"... it's murderous.

    Lol - the poster also want to round up the poor and put them in out of town areas.

    Like camps I guess, camps that are full of a concentration of people.

    So a few lost boats at sea is nothing!


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    #520
    Bobblehats
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Death.

    Terrific solution.

    "Harsh"... it's murderous.

    Well they are an invasive species.

    Just pepper the water. They’ll get the drift


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    #521
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    Well they are an invasive species.

    Just pepper the water. They’ll get the drift

    Like a different species?

    Wow.


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    #522
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Nermal wrote: »
    The Australian solution, permanent offshore detention.

    Just requires manners to be put on domestic judges, to prevent them frustrating it.

    Brexit enables it. Far easier to constrain judges at home compared to those embedded in the EU.

    This is surely something they could have done all along, nothing to do with those pesky EU judges or Brexit. Italy is using Lampadusa island, and Greece has detention centres on Chios and Lesbos. And possibly other islands I'm not aware of.
    But I don't see how being potentially detained in Wight instead of 'the mainland' is going to reduce the amount of attempted immigration from France.


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    #523
    biko
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    If they come to UK for work then UK will have to address it so that if someone hires an illegal worker everyone gets punished.
    "In England, you can work even if you have no papers," InfoMigrants heard several migrants in Grande-Synthe and Calais say.

    This is the penalty today:
    Penalties for employing illegal workers
    You can be sent to jail for 5 years and pay an unlimited fine if you’re found guilty of employing someone who you knew or had ‘reasonable cause to believe’ did not have the right to work in the UK.
    Change that to "you will lose your business and a minimum of 3 years in jail".

    The pull factor must be removed and the only way to do that is to remove the incentive to hire illegal workers.


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    #524
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    This is surely something they could have done all along, nothing to do with those pesky EU judges or Brexit. Italy is using Lampadusa island, and Greece has detention centres on Chios and Lesbos. And possibly other islands I'm not aware of.
    But I don't see how being potentially detained in Wight instead of 'the mainland' is going to reduce the amount of attempted immigration from France.

    just make it 10 year mandatory prison for hiring illegal workers and cut off welfare for anyone who enters illegally and tell them it'll be 10 years before they've a chance of getting a house and they might slow down.

    but keeping them on an island isn't half bad either.


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    #525
    KiKi III
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    do like the US coast guard used to do to Cubans, line an ship in the water with a Gatling gun on it. Its harsh but send a few dinghies to the bottom of the ocean and they'll stop.
    giant signs on every beach in France 'try and go to the UK, chances are you're getting shot out of the water'

    Death penalty without trial. Children included. Even if you’re 100% right and they are economic migrants, the idea that the most appropriate response is to just kill them is monstrous.


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    #526
    statesaver
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    If someone cannot prove their identity they should not be allowed entry into a country.

    They should be deported back to the country from where they came from ( this case France ) or detained indefinitely until their identity is known, be that 1 year or 10 years. When id is established a decision can then be made. That would soon stop a lot of this.


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    #527
    Eric Cartman
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    KiKi III wrote: »
    Death penalty without trial. Children included. Even if you’re 100% right and they are economic migrants, the idea that the most appropriate response is to just kill them is monstrous.

    theres f*ck all children actually coming with them. Yet again I said its harsh , but the boats need to be stopped. What are the British to do to prevent any more of these migrants entering the country. Id rather effective and harsh than ineffective and nice.


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    #528
    Bobblehats
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    kenmm wrote: »
    Like a different species?

    Wow.

    Maybe we could turn the tide. Sending them back from whence they came

    That’s right; more currant controversy. But worth it in the end


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    #529
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,525 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    theres f*ck all children actually coming with them. Yet again I said its harsh , but the boats need to be stopped. What are the British to do to prevent any more of these migrants entering the country. Id rather effective and harsh than ineffective and nice.

    It's not illegal to sale across the channel in a boat.
    It's not illegal to apply for asylum.


    You should take the talk of gunboats to Hollywood.


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Tell me how wrote: »
    It's not illegal to sale across the channel in a boat.
    It's not illegal to apply for asylum.


    You should take the talk of gunboats to Hollywood.

    why didn't they seek asylum in France ? why should they get to use a safe country as a jumping off to illegally cross into another.


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    Tell me how
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    why didn't they seek asylum in France ? why should they get to use a safe country as a jumping off to illegally cross into another.

    Why don't you go ask them or groups working with them instead of talking like you're in a movie?


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    #532
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Why don't you go ask them or groups working with them instead of talking like you're in a movie?

    because just like the deception employed by the migrants, the NGO's and groups working with them to get them in, I hardly think they're going to be honest and straight up tell me "we want to go to England for welfare and a free gaf" which would be the truth.


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    #533
    Tell me how
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    because just like the deception employed by the migrants, the NGO's and groups working with them to get them in, I hardly think they're going to be honest and straight up tell me "we want to go to England for welfare and a free gaf" which would be the truth.

    How do you know it is the truth?

    You have no evidence? Haven't spoken to anyone involved in the process? You are just reacting to Farage's and others dog whistling.


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    #534
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    theres f*ck all children actually coming with them. Yet again I said its harsh , but the boats need to be stopped. What are the British to do to prevent any more of these migrants entering the country. Id rather effective and harsh than ineffective and nice.

    It’s not “harsh”, it’s murder.

    You are suggesting killing people who may or may not be guilty of a non-violent crime.

    I think you should spend some time really thinking about what you’re suggesting and what it says about you as a human being.


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    #535
    KiKi III
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    Imagine hating foreigners so much you’d wish death on people desperately trying to make their way into a country you don’t even live in.


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    Nermal
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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    This is surely something they could have done all along, nothing to do with those pesky EU judges or Brexit. Italy is using Lampadusa island, and Greece has detention centres on Chios and Lesbos. And possibly other islands I'm not aware of.
    But I don't see how being potentially detained in Wight instead of 'the mainland' is going to reduce the amount of attempted immigration from France.

    In Australia the offshore detention is permanent. Even if asylum is granted. This eliminates the pull factor.

    That's not the case with the other nations you mention, and there's no way the EU legal institutions would allow it. Hence Brexit.


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    #537
    Billy Mays
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    State sanctioned murder of illegal immigrants. Interesting.

    I wonder do people share these types of views with people they know in real life or do they just keep it to anonymous internet forums


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    Eric Cartman
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    Billy Mays wrote: »
    State sanctioned murder of illegal immigrants. Interesting.

    I wonder do people share these types of views with people they know in real life or do they just keep it to anonymous internet forums

    its only barbaric because its the UK , we blindly accept these types of things happening in countries where they're not predominantly white. Imagine trying to illegally access Israel, Korea etc.. in a dinghy.


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    KiKi III
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    its only barbaric because its the UK , we blindly accept these types of things happening in countries where they're not predominantly white. Imagine trying to illegally access Israel, Korea etc.. in a dinghy.

    You’re suggesting Britain punishes people who arrive on its shores in dinghies by death, while rapists and murderers get prison sentences. It’s unhinged.

    What you’re suggesting is akin to how criminals are treated in the likes of Saudi, and it’s ironic how much you seem to admire their criminal justice system.


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    KiKi III wrote: »
    You’re suggesting Britain punishes people who arrive on its shores in dinghies by death, while rapists and murderers get prison sentences. It’s unhinged.

    What you’re suggesting is akin to how criminals are treated in the likes of Saudi, and it’s ironic how much you seem to admire their criminal justice system.

    "britain doesn't punish criminals well, so therefore attempts to stop more criminals arriving in Britain are awful"

    I've said repeatedly that its on the harsh end of things, allowing them in is barbaric for the people of Britain, a solution to keep them in France or send them home is needed, if you have something better than shooting the dinghy's then I'm all ears.


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    #541
    KiKi III
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    "britain doesn't punish criminals well, so therefore attempts to stop more criminals arriving in Britain are awful"

    I've said repeatedly that its on the harsh end of things, allowing them in is barbaric for the people of Britain, a solution to keep them in France or send them home is needed, if you have something better than shooting the dinghy's then I'm all ears.

    Deportation would be a better solution than mass murder.

    I have lots of friends and family in the UK and none of them feel that refugees, asylum seekers or immigrants pose any threat to them. Can you provide evidence that they do. Or are you just posting histrionics as though they’re facts?


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