Big Brand names whose products are way overrated

Woke Hogan

If Apple released an iToilet and told their customers to literally flush their money down the toilet they’d do it.

Muahahaha

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Boeing since the McDonald Douglas takeover and outsourcing lots of software.

What exactly went wrong with Boeing there when they took over MDD?

Gael23 wrote: »

Big brand cleaning products when Tesco own brand stuff does nearly as good a job

Yeah definitely this, you're paying a premium so they can show you expensive TV ads. Flash, Fairy, etc are over priced for what they are which is only marginally better than own brand products. Fairy used to advertise that their liquid lasts twice as long but sure nobody is standing there with a measuring thimble, you just squirt it in at the same rate as anything else. Nowadays the Fairy baby has turned into a motorbiker with a cockney accent, bizarre stuff.

Have a sibling who makes most of their own cleaning products to avoid single use plastics. Window cleaner is basically 50/50 vinegar and water and many other cleaning products are some combination of that, baking soda and lemon juice. I made up a bottle of window cleaner myself and it worked perfect really, there was no discernible difference from the shop bought stuff.

Roger the cabin boy

Apple
BMW
DYSON

L1011

Muahahaha wrote: »

What exactly went wrong with Boeing there when they took over MDD?

McDonnell (Douglas were fine) management took over with their policies of milking existing designs to the death. x

McDD never designed a single new aircraft after the McDonnell - Douglas merger; they just twiddled the DC9 and DC10 designs over and over again.

Boeing have basically just done the same, but even worse. Latest twiddle of the 1960s 737max dives out of the sky killing everyone on board; latest twiddle of the 1990s 777X explodes during testing. Somehow manages to force the US government to accept a twiddle of the early 80s 767 as their new tanker but can't deliver the damn thing properly.

Boeing would willingly replace life-expired designs pre-merger; McDonnell management doesn't understand the idea of something being life expired.


Also, the outsourcing began in earnest under them, which manipulated headcount figures and balance sheet numbers to boost the stock prices. Outsourcing is a major factor in why the 787 used to go on fire. And they also moved to McDonnell's really dodgy (but legal) programme accounting practices that hide losses in future years, which let them raise the stock price and pay dividends when the 787 was really bleeding so much money the company was at risk.

If Boeing cease to exist it will be no loss and entirely their own fault.

Adyx

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Far from unusual and not even extreme. We bought a 250k piece of equipment at work a few years ago and had to pay an extra 5k if we wanted the trolley to move it around. The trolley was probably worth about 500 euro but when you are buying this level of equipment you don’t skimp.

That's not even remotely the same thing.

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

I’d have looked on it very differently. If you are spending 250k throwing in some thing for free worth 2% is nothing compared to something that they are selling for 20% of the cost.

I think people don’t realise the cost of things, the stand is not just a stand it is a fairly hefty price of kit that would not be cheap to make.

It's an aluminium stand. You could get any mechanical engineering student in the country to knock one out for under €100. And the only other option besides this stand is a $200 VESA mount which again, most monitors come with or have for reasonable price.

The monitor itself is top class for sure, but there's plenty of other manufacturers producing similar quality monitors and even the ones costing several grand at least include a fcking stand. :rolleyes:

JL555

kingtiger wrote: »

sweet Jesus,. its not jewel encrusted or made with metal from a crashed UFO, its just a piece of metal that holds up a screen

It's just not possible to excuse this

Does it really need to be excused? There are people who will buy that gear and there are people who won't. This is because there's a choice to buy an alternative. Nobody is forced to buy one of those stands.I personally wouldn't buy a car for 70k when I can happily drive a similar type car for 30-40k.

I don't get all the Apple bashing in general (not necessarily you). I've been using Apple products since I was in college in the 90s. Overall I'm happy with what I get, of course there has been issues along the way, but what device/product hasn't, although not as bad a certain other big brand phone that was banned from planes and many workplaces due to an explosion risk.

John_Rambo

I can see why people like Apple computers and phones, particularly if they're not very tech-minded. They're easier to use and the computers are more robust than most of the other makes. I'm a lifelong Apple user, my job entails using them and the applications (remember that word?) work better on Macs.

I've had a top end android phone for the last two years and I won't be getting another one. It's brilliant, but just too many options on it. I find the iPhones easier to operate.

In saying that, the amount of people I see using a MacBook Pro for browsing, Spotify, etc... when a much cheaper MacBook would do is surprising.

Gael23

Muahahaha wrote: »

What exactly went wrong with Boeing there when they took over MDD?



Yeah definitely this, you're paying a premium so they can show you expensive TV ads. Flash, Fairy, etc are over priced for what they are which is only marginally better than own brand products. Fairy used to advertise that their liquid lasts twice as long but sure nobody is standing there with a measuring thimble, you just squirt it in at the same rate as anything else. Nowadays the Fairy baby has turned into a motorbiker with a cockney accent, bizarre stuff.

Have a sibling who makes most of their own cleaning products to avoid single use plastics. Window cleaner is basically 50/50 vinegar and water and many other cleaning products are some combination of that, baking soda and lemon juice. I made up a bottle of window cleaner myself and it worked perfect really, there was no discernible difference from the shop bought stuff.

All very true. However I still won’t be without Fairy/Jif for some reason

Manach

Gilette razors. Over priced and under performing.

da_miser

Guiness!
Lets be real , its not a good drink, run the guts out of you and the farts are horrific

RandomViewer

Muahahaha wrote: »

What exactly went wrong with Boeing there when they took over MDD?



Yeah definitely this, you're paying a premium so they can show you expensive TV ads. Flash, Fairy, etc are over priced for what they are which is only marginally better than own brand products. Fairy used to advertise that their liquid lasts twice as long but sure nobody is standing there with a measuring thimble, you just squirt it in at the same rate as anything else. Nowadays the Fairy baby has turned into a motorbiker with a cockney accent, bizarre stuff.

Have a sibling who makes most of their own cleaning products to avoid single use plastics. Window cleaner is basically 50/50 vinegar and water and many other cleaning products are some combination of that, baking soda and lemon juice. I made up a bottle of window cleaner myself and it worked perfect really, there was no discernible difference from the shop bought stuff.

They are always on offer so no saving on buying own brand

Manach

Manach wrote: »

Gilette razors. Over priced and under performing.

Their ads went from the sublime in the late 80s to pitiful woke nonsense recently.

Aongus Von Bismarck

The whole Apple vs Android thing is extremely tedious. If you cannot afford an Apple device then you buy an Android, and fool yourself into believing that your €250 Chinese import phone has the same features, camera quality, and build as something that costs a multiple of it.

It's the same sort of delusion that has people believing the food they buy in Aldi is of comparable quality to that which you'll find in an artisan grocer, or even a Supervalu/Dunnes.

See also - Dacia/Hyundai/Skoda etc owners, Nespresso, and cheap off-the-peg suits. People love the idea of a bargain or an offer, and will jump through mental hoops to delude themselves into thinking that the tat they've bought is of excellent quality.

lawred2

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The whole Apple vs Android thing is extremely tedious. If you cannot afford an Apple device then you buy an Android, and fool yourself into believing that your €250 Chinese import phone has the same features, camera quality, and build as something that costs a multiple of it.

It's the same sort of delusion that has people believing the food they buy in Aldi is of comparable quality to that which you'll find in an artisan grocer, or even a Supervalu/Dunnes.

See also - Dacia/Hyundai/Skoda etc owners, Nespresso, and cheap off-the-peg suits. People love the idea of a bargain or an offer, and will jump through mental hoops to delude themselves into thinking that the tat they've bought is of excellent quality.

They are ALL Chinese imports ffs

The J Stands for Jay

When you realise that some of the imported brands in Donnybrook Fair are now sold in Aldi for cheap.

JohnnyFlash

McGaggs wrote: »

When you realise that some of the imported brands in Donnybrook Fair are now sold in Aldi for cheap.

Name one.

L1011

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The whole Apple vs Android thing is extremely tedious. If you cannot afford an Apple device then you buy an Android, and fool yourself into believing that your €250 Chinese import phone has the same features, camera quality, and build as something that costs a multiple of it.

It's the same sort of delusion that has people believing the food they buy in Aldi is of comparable quality to that which you'll find in an artisan grocer, or even a Supervalu/Dunnes.

See also - Dacia/Hyundai/Skoda etc owners, Nespresso, and cheap off-the-peg suits. People love the idea of a bargain or an offer, and will jump through mental hoops to delude themselves into thinking that the tat they've bought is of excellent quality.

You've a lovely set of mental hoops there to convince yourself that Apple kit isn't made by the same Chinese outsourcers in the first place.

They're a Foxconn rebadger, same as others

Greyfox

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The whole Apple vs Android thing is extremely tedious. If you cannot afford an Apple device then you buy an Android, and fool yourself into believing that your €250 Chinese import phone has the same features, camera quality, and build as something that costs a multiple of it.

It's the same sort of delusion that has people believing the food they buy in Aldi is of comparable quality to that which you'll find in an artisan grocer, or even a Supervalu/Dunnes.

Or if you prefer an android device you just buy that, the best ones are just as good as the latest iPhone. I think most people who buy the latest version of a companies new phone straight away are idiots, anybody who queues up for a piece of tech is a fool.

But the biggest clowns of all are those who think most of the food in dunnes/super valu is far superior to Lidl/Aldi, these people need to start using their common sense.

Greyfox

JL555 wrote: »

Does it really need to be excused? There are people who will buy that gear and there are people who won't.

The thing is when you see a product ridiculously overpriced you associate it with the brand and it makes you think of the brand as been expensive.

Greyfox

JL555 wrote: »

Does it really need to be excused? There are people who will buy that gear and there are people who won't.

The thing is when you see a product ridiculously overpriced you associate it with the brand and it makes you think of the brand as been expensive.

Feisar

Greyfox wrote: »

Or if you prefer an android device you just buy that, the best ones are just as good as the latest iPhone. I think most people who buy the latest version of a companies new phone straight away are idiots, anybody who queues up for a piece of tech is a fool.

But the biggest clowns of all are those who think most of the food in dunnes/super valu is far superior to Lidl/Aldi, these people need to start using their common sense.

Same with a most butchers, they are pretty much just meat unpackers these days.

JL555

Greyfox wrote: »

Or if you prefer an android device you just buy that, the best ones are just as good as the latest iPhone. I think most people who buy the latest version of a companies new phone straight away are idiots, anybody who queues up for a piece of tech is a fool.

But the biggest clowns of all are those who think most of the food in dunnes/super valu is far superior to Lidl/Aldi, these people need to start using their common sense.

Lol... take a seat and chill man.

kirving

L1011 wrote: »

You've a lovely set of mental hoops there to convince yourself that Apple kit isn't made by the same Chinese outsourcers in the first place.

They're a Foxconn rebadger, same as others

L1011 wrote: »

You've a lovely set of mental hoops there to convince yourself that Apple kit isn't made by the same Chinese outsourcers in the first place.

They're a Foxconn rebadger, same as others

Gotta disagree to some extent with both.

There certainly is a level of quality with Apple products that you don't tend to get in cheaper alternatives. I don't include Samsung in that.

I took apart a MacBook a few years ago. The entire lower body had been milled from a single billet of aluminium, and the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer. As a mechanical engineer, I was shocked at the lengths they had gone to.

That level of quality doesn't come cheap, so if you're prepared to pay for it, then fair enough.

Will most people notice the difference? Probably not.

L1011

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Gotta disagree to some extent with both.

There certainly is a level of quality with Apple products that you don't tend to get in cheaper alternatives. I don't include Samsung in that.

I took apart a MacBook a few years ago. The entire lower body had been milled from a single billet of aluminium, and the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer. As a mechanical engineer, I was shocked at the lengths they had gone to.

That level of quality doesn't come cheap, so if you're prepared to pay for it, then fair enough.

Will most people notice the difference? Probably not.

The same era of macbooks have keyboards that fail if dust gets in to them. They don't focus on the engineering that's important.

Melanchthon

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Gotta disagree to some extent with both.

There certainly is a level of quality with Apple products that you don't tend to get in cheaper alternatives. I don't include Samsung in that.

I took apart a MacBook a few years ago. The entire lower body had been milled from a single billet of aluminium, and the keyboard secured with around 60 screws, so that each key felt exactly the same when pressed. That level of engineering, is rarely equalled by any other manufacturer. As a mechanical engineer, I was shocked at the lengths they had gone to.

That level of quality doesn't come cheap, so if you're prepared to pay for it, then fair enough.

Will most people notice the difference? Probably not.

But for a MacBook your basically looking at business class pricing, from my experience business class non Mac laptops have great build quality too, look at IBM ThinkPads (not sure what they are like now Leveno took over though) or HP Elitebooks and Probooks, absolute beasts of machines in terms of ruggedness in no way comparible to the build quality of a cheap Dell or Asus say.

Something I will defend Apple on though is, are those that think Apple are worse for privacy than Android not living in the past a bit, is it actually possible these days to use say a few Google products on your phone without handing over an awful lot? A real question as looked at this couple of years ago and seemed nearly impossible but not highly knowledgeable about this?

secondrowgal

9 pages and no one has mentioned Nandos? Dry, tasteless, ****e of the highest degree.

jetsonx

secondrowgal wrote: »

9 pages and no one has mentioned Nandos? Dry, tasteless, ****e of the highest degree.

The relationship between the Irish consumer and Nandos is still in the honeymoon phase. During this phase their flash frozen food still seems "exotic" in the same way those first branches of Subway did 15 years ago. Give it time though, and consumers will realise there is nothing exotic about seasoned mass produced chicken from a freezer.

Muahahaha

L1011 wrote: »

McDonnell (Douglas were fine) management took over with their policies of milking existing designs to the death. x

McDD never designed a single new aircraft after the McDonnell - Douglas merger; they just twiddled the DC9 and DC10 designs over and over again.

Boeing have basically just done the same, but even worse. Latest twiddle of the 1960s 737max dives out of the sky killing everyone on board; latest twiddle of the 1990s 777X explodes during testing. Somehow manages to force the US government to accept a twiddle of the early 80s 767 as their new tanker but can't deliver the damn thing properly.

Boeing would willingly replace life-expired designs pre-merger; McDonnell management doesn't understand the idea of something being life expired.


Also, the outsourcing began in earnest under them, which manipulated headcount figures and balance sheet numbers to boost the stock prices. Outsourcing is a major factor in why the 787 used to go on fire. And they also moved to McDonnell's really dodgy (but legal) programme accounting practices that hide losses in future years, which let them raise the stock price and pay dividends when the 787 was really bleeding so much money the company was at risk.

If Boeing cease to exist it will be no loss and entirely their own fault.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Regards the outsourcing- did that go to American companies or across to Asia.

In regard to them ceasing to exist I read somewhere before that the US govt. considers them to be critical infrastructure and therefore 'too big to fail'. I'd imagine they will have the begging bowl out to Trump in the coming months.

Muahahaha

Gael23 wrote: »

All very true. However I still won’t be without Fairy/Jif for some reason

Yeah I think Fairy has brand loyalty from some people who grew up with it and just wouldnt buy anything else. But that loyalty is on the wane and they need to attract younger customers who didnt grow up with the brand, hence their re-casting of the Fairy baby as a motorbiker with a cockney accent.

The Fairy brand messaging for decades used to be that using Fairy will give your hands baby soft skin, now they've flipped that around completely and the Fairy baby is a hard biker who talks with an east Lawndawn accent and will blast away the dirt on your dishes. Its all a bit bizarre.

https://twitter.com/Confused_Dude/status/936908801139027970

L1011

Muahahaha wrote: »

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Regards the outsourcing- did that go to American companies or across to Asia.

In regard to them ceasing to exist I read somewhere before that the US govt. considers them to be critical infrastructure and therefore 'too big to fail'. I'd imagine they will have the begging bowl out to Trump in the coming months.

US firms in 'right to work' (meaning: no unions, no benefits, no rights) states; because they found Washingtonians expensive.